Talk:Irving Bieber

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[edit] Nonsense

The article reads 'It has also been suggested that the study was informed by stereotypes promulgated by the media,[2]. For example, in 1964 Life Magazine[3] featured a coverage on homosexuals directly inspired by this study, with regards to smothering mothers[4].' Since the Bieber study was published before 1964, isn't it a bit ridiculous to cite that Life Magazine article to support the claim that it was influenced by media stereotypes? This is perhaps evidence that media stereotypes were influenced by the study, but not the other way around. Skoojal (talk) 07:25, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

It makes sense. Anyway that is a referenced assertion from a critic.Zigzig20s (talk) 14:09, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

There is nothing obviously sensible about citing a magazine article written after a study was published to show that it was influenced by media stereotypes. Skoojal (talk) 20:20, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I fixed it. The rationale was broken.Zigzig20s (talk) 21:25, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sentence that needs to be re-worded

The sentence is this, 'Homosexuality: A Psychoanalytic Study of Male Homosexuals has been disavowed by some for defining homosexuality as an illness[2], and for examining homosexuals already in analytic treatment as opposed to regular heterosexuals.' The last half of that sentence, everything after the comma, is problematic. It's just not clear from that part of the sentence what the problem with the study was held to be, or what exactly was wrong with what it did. Skoojal (talk) 09:16, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

He compared homosexuals in treatment for mental disorders with mentally sane heterosexuals. It should be one way or another for both. I suggest you read the critic who pointed it out, though.Zigzig20s (talk) 11:54, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm not saying that this part is not accurate. I am saying that it may not be clear to the reader, and that it needs to be explained better. Skoojal (talk) 23:34, 8 June 2008 (UTC)