Talk:Irvine Unified School District

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  • This a highly POV stub that really says nothing about the subject in question. The content could potentially apply to any district. Plus, how notable can a school district be? My wife's worked for one for fourteen years. It's a great gig, but the district itself simply isn't notable IMO. - Lucky 6.9 05:52, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)
  • I took the liberty of splitting this from the previous topic so I could vote separately. Delete unless someone can show why this is notable. Rossami 13:36, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep; has potential. Such a page could list all schools within the district, demographics, compliance with state standards, test scores, etc. IMO, school information should be added with a bot, much like city info is added by User:Rambot. --Diberri | Talk 21:51, Jun 14, 2004 (UTC)
    • FWIW, I've rewritten the article to remove the unabashed POV-ness. --Diberri | Talk 06:28, Jun 20, 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete unless improved. At the present state the only NPOV information is that it's located in Irvine, California. Andris 14:41, Jun 18, 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep the rewritten version. Andris 02:16, Jun 21, 2004 (UTC)
  • I concur with Andris. This is highly POV and unexceptional. Jxg 02:26, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC)

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[edit] Teacher of the year, et al.

This isn't useful information and should be removed, IMHO. --David Iberri (talk) 03:44, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I've removed it. Wikipedia is not a repository of these sorts of lists. If you'd like, provide a link to IUSD's home page, and readers can presumably find the list there. --David Iberri (talk) 16:42, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't see anywhere in that link where it says that lists are not allowed. I am not sure the difference in this type of list (for this audience) versus a list on a more universal page (Academy Awards for that audience). Scope of audience is the only variable.

IUSD is a major reason why families move to Irvine, and those award winners matter to the community. I can understand your POV as someone outside Irvine. More to the point, I am not sure how the page is better without the info: It surely offers a bit more meat to the wiki

Go Bruins! Though, you may want to stick to the medical wikis, I think you are off base on this one. :) All if fun...I trust any final edit as you seem to know the ins and outs far more than a noob like me. Just wanted to state the case of someone inside the city. --User:Octagon77 (talk)

There's nothing wrong with being proud of your city's school system, but this isn't the best way to do it. Audience isn't the only variable here: notability also comes into play because we're building an encyclopedia. Although they perform a vital job, most teachers aren't notable and probably shouldn't be mentioned in an encyclopedia (see Wikipedia:WikiProject Schools). Consider this: would you expect Encyclopedia Britannica to have a list of teachers of the year? Of course not. Sure it's information, but it's not encyclopedic. And just adding more meat to the wiki isn't the goal. If you want to say that some families move to Irvine because of IUSD, then just say that in the article. Cheers, David Iberri (talk) 15:11, 14 July 2006 (UTC) P.S. My POV is from someone who's lived in southern CA for 25 years, one of which was spent in Irvine (oh how I miss that apartment on Alton...), so don't be so quick to dismiss me as an outsider. :-) (In fact, if you'll read the discussion above, you'll see that I'm the reason this article didn't get deleted a year ago!)
Form the WikiProject Schools, it does indicate "Names of noteworthy (e.g. award-winning, published) faculty of the past can be mentioned." Certainly that is most applicable to universities, but within the community, it seems valid on a more local level. Wikipedia is already more expansive than any print Enclyclopedia, so comparing it to one doesn't seem terribly useful. I figure that once the page is there, adding more info gives personality. Perhaps adding this type of information aids in a district becoming more notable? Especially given it does seem to fit under the WikiProject suggestions. --User:Octagon77 (talk)
I see your point about it adding personality, which is a good thing, IMO. And sure, comparing WP to EB isn't completely apples-to-apples for many reasons. But my bigger point is that articles on schools, districts, etc., shouldn't include teachers of the year because Wikipedia (any encyclopedia, really) isn't a repository for this type of information. Lists of primary source material aren't generally considered encyclopedic. I would support a list whose elements were encyclopedic (eg, list of Nobel laureates), but a list of unencyclopedic material just doesn't belong. Actually, I just discovered Wikipedia:Embedded lists, which seems to echo some of these points more clearly. --David Iberri (talk) 19:43, 17 July 2006 (UTC)