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Irvin Mayfield was a good article nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these are addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake. Reviewed version: May 30, 2007

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Split the Lead into two/three sections. It should not have any citations at all because it should be a succint summary of the article. Move the citations to the end of sentences, as it is easier to read, and gives the whole sentence/paragraph a reference and not just the beginning or middle. egde 07:54, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry to have undone your edit, I had just completed adjusting some things you critiqued when attempting to perform a save. The article, of course, had been changed and the information could not be saved. I placed citations at the end of sentences, as you suggested. I have also removed citations from the opening, and rearranged some material. Of course, I reimplemented the changes you made after doing so. Thanks for your help on this article with me, my aim is to make the biography definitive. I love wikipedia. (Mind meal 08:26, 29 May 2007 (UTC))

No problem at all - I mess up stuff all the time! :) egde 11:02, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Just want to clarify that Mayfield left Dillard and the Institute of Jazz Culture (IOJC) either 2003 or 2004. Mayfield is no longer associated with the Institute of Jazz Culture or Dillard, which is still in operation and under the guidance of Director Edward Anderson. The New Orleans Jazz Orchestra is a 501c3 associated with Tulane University. For information about the IOJC, please refer to www.myspace.com/iojc. The official IOJC website is still in the works, and hopefully will be up soon. Thank you all very much. 12-26-07 Shanna Hudson-Stowe —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.137.146.48 (talk) 00:35, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Failed "good article" nomination

This article failed good article nomination. This is how the article, as of May 30, 2007, compares against the six good article criteria:

1. Well written?: Generally yes. There is some solid prose here, but there are a few nagging little things. In the bio paragraph, it is better to mention that his father is dead than that his mother is still living, since if she suddenly died (say this afternoon - God forbid), that would be hard to discover and might be incorrect for a while needlessly. But his father will be deceased forever. I would simply change it to "the late Irvin Mayfield, Sr." Non-figure numbers, like "5 brothers" and "4th grade" needs to be spelled out (ie - "five"). Only dates and statics (60%, 3,265,125 molecules) should be in numbers. Just A Closer Walk With Thee should be in quotes and not italicized. This sentence:

which he performed at the Higher Ground Hurricane Relief Benefit Concert—one day before he learned that his father had died in the flood after Hurricane Katrina.

was a little disruptive, as it seemed to indicate that Irvin was a kid during Hurricane Katrina. I would either suggest moving this fact to later on in the article, or (better yet) replace the colon with a semi-colon and start a new statement, like:

The first song Mayfield learned to play was "Just A Closer Walk With Thee"; incidentally, he performed the song at the Higher Ground Hurricane Relief Benefit Concert — one day before he learned that his father had died in the flood after Hurricane Katrina.

This sentence

Jason is the son of jazz pianist Ellis Marsalis, and brother to fellow jazz musicians Branford Marsalis, Wynton Marsalis and Delfeayo Marsalis.

needs to be trimmed, since it has nothing to do with Irvin. Maybe just say "Jason is the son of jazz pianist Ellis Marsalis, of the famous Marsalis jazz family." The sub-sub-heading "Jazz Festivals" needs to be a regular subheading. The sentence that begins "In addition to his role as Cultural Ambassador..." should not be italicized. The list under "Culural Ambassador" (which is also spelled wrong) should be turned into a regular paragraph (prose). Remove the headings "Thoughts on Mardis Gras" and "Rebuilding New Orleans." One paragraph headings are looked down on, and also are unnecessary in this case. The purpose of the paragraphs are clear under "Cultural ambassador." Change the name of the References section to Notes (see WP:CITE).

2. Factually accurate?: Good here. Plenty of references. The first paragraph under "Strange Fruit" however, lacks any references. While it is admiral, I would remove this sentence "This discography section quotes http://www.allmusicguide.com as a source." Then add it to a new "References" section (under "Notes"). Sentences in the body should be content, not notation.

3. Broad in coverage?: Pretty good. Good articles are for short articles, so this is not a problem.

4. Neutral point of view?: Good here as well.

5. Article stability? This is an extremely young article, and probably really too young to really be nominated. But, yes, it is stable.

6. Images?: Biggest area of failure. First Image:Irvin Mayfield.jpg is a publicity photo (and mistagged), which means that it cannot be used solely for representational purposes. It's a relatively new rule, and a little confusing, but you can find more info here. Image:Irvin Mayfield2.jpg is mistagged, it is also a publicity shot. Both images should be tagged with {{publicity}}. Image:Strange Fruit (Irvin Mayfield).jpg is mistagged; it is a album cover. It should be tagged with {{album cover}}.

When these issues are addressed, the article can be resubmitted for consideration. If you feel that this review is in error, feel free to take it to a GA review. Thank you for your work so far. — Esprit15d (talk ¤ contribs) 16:41, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your input, and I am sorry i did not get around to expressing this earlier. The advice you gave me was very educational and I consider the article to still be a work in progress. Thank you again. (Mind meal 18:14, 7 June 2007 (UTC))