Talk:Iron Hands

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[edit] Theory query

"It is plausable to suggest that this wyrm was a C'tan star god of the necrons."

I just pulled this from the section describing how Ferrus Manus got his 'iron hands'. Is there any way of substantiating this theory, or is it just some fanatic 40K fan's pet consipracy? Saberwyn 10:59, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Although not the author of this statement I suspect the wyrm being a giant monster made out of living metal that's a match for a primarch in combat who then founded a chapter that despises organic matter has C'tan written all over it.

Mind you, last time I checked, C'tan were big star-eating things that had long ago been put into some kind of stasis. Saberwyn 08:06, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

It's entirely possible the Void Dragon woke up early. Also, as far as I know, the C'Tan are the only creatures in Warhammer 40k that possess a liquid metal skin. User:Lord Azrael

Still, this is all moot, as it is original research and does not belong in a Wikipedia article. Primarch 22:03, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Would it be acceptable to say "It has been suggested..." so long as a citation from someone with their hands in canon is included? Clearly this is fiction, and thus subject to retcons, rewrites, bad authors and the plethora of other hazards that plague large properties like this one but the hints are there.--204.76.128.217 13:42, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The death of Ferrus (warning; Book Spoilers)

One problem I think needs consideration is just how "canonical??" the death of Ferrus Manus with his first company is.

Before they put in the effort to fill out the chapter background, he was among the primarchs listed as missing, rather than dead. This was the reason for the inclusion of the mystery of his bodies location, and why it was said that Fulgrim could not bring himself to kill Manus.

In the book "Fulgrim", Fulgrim beats him in the way it was once said- to the ground, but not on Istvaan V but instead in Furrus' own battlebarge, and cannot kill him, and then once again finds he cannot kill him on Istvaan (and so requires Daemonic Assistance).

This assistance and the subsequent gift of Ferrus' head is new information, and further comes from the Black Library, which was until recently considered an unreliable source (although I gather the Horus Heresy books are generally considered an exception to this unreliability).

The difficulty in the murderous betrayal is surely a nod to the old tale of Ferrus surviving the fight, and this adds confusion.

Why then, if Fulgrim's gift (of the Primarch's death as opposed to simply the slaughter of the Iron Hands force) was so significant to the Heresy, is Ferrus listed as Missing rather than killed on all the many repeated charts of the original 20 (18) legions and their Primarch's fates? Similarly, Rogal Dorn of the Imperial Fists was listed as killed, but aparently was revived from death to help restore the Custodes according to Black Library sources (or so I am told.) This troubles me, and so for balance I would prefer that the appocryphal tales of Ferrus' revival or at least the retrieval of most of his body to Mars not be completely quashed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.63.222.32 (talk) 09:50, August 27, 2007 (UTC)