Talk:Irene of Athens
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71.254.91.43 04:03, 8 December 2006 (UTC)If a history teacher has told you to look this up it is totally random and makes no sense! She was a woman who wanted to feel equal back in the day and when all she wanted was an equal name people couldnt just say " ok that is her choice" no they had to make her go down in history for it!
Is there some reason this woman is a) called an emperor and not an empress, and b) not under Irene of Byzantium like all the other monarchs? - Montréalais
a)"Empress" as a title was used by the wifes of the emperors and is an inferior title to "emperor".Irene used the male title "emperor" for herself. b)The so-called "Byzantine" emperors called them selves Romans and believed themselves to be the sole heirs of the Roman Empire, superior(at least in idea) to all other monarchs of the world."Byzantium" has little to do with their title and the idea they represented. User:Dimadick.
She did call herself Emperor, but the title should likely be "Irene of the Byzantine Empire," to match the other emperors that need that particular disambiguation. I am going to move it accordingly. Adam Bishop 23:13, 20 Oct 2003 (UTC)
The article refering to herself is Irene (empress) I corrected the article linking to Irene_of_the_Byzantine_Empire or Byzantine Emperor Irene to link there. --Astrowob 00:25, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
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According to this cracpot here [1] she referred to herself as Basilissê, i.e. Queen, rather than Augusta, i.e. Empress. Haukurth 14:49, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Why saint?
Was Eirini-Ειρήνη (or Irene, acccording to the article) declaired saint by the church?
Yes Irene was declared a Saint by the Eastern Orthodox Church. Atilla 02:11, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Details
A source I've found seems to debate the connotation of poor:
it would seem that her religious views were ignored in the selection process: an orphan, she was a member of the Sarantapechos (Sarandapechys) family which must have been of political significance in central Greece. She was to place some of her family in positions of prominence: a cousin later married the Bulgar khan Telerik and another relative married the future emperor Staurakios.2 Her uncle Constantine Sarantapechos was a patrician and possibly strategos (commander of the theme) of the Helladics, and his son Theophylact, a spatharios, is mentioned in connection with the suppression of a revolt centring around Constantine V’s sons in 799.3 Garland, Lynda. Byzantine Empresses : Women and Power in Byzantium, AD 527-1204. London, UK: Routledge, 1998. p 73.
I would be interested in any further information on the family Sarantapechos, and particularly Constantine Sarantapechos in helping to flesh out her early life, and the reasons for this unlikely union.L Hamm 22:02, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
The problem I have with this article is it's pretty biased. I keep noticing references to her "ruthlessness" and "scheming ways" but I've read that, in reality, she probably wasn't all that sneaky and horrible at all. It was just the sexism and harsher critiques that were inflicted on her by male historians that colored her story. I don't know if you want to change any of this, but you might consider it. 12.210.63.174 05:23, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
- Umm, she had her own son's eyes gouged out (and possibly had him die as a result). That is a ruthless act, whichever way you take it (and, indeed, the same argument can be made about the ruthlessness of that other "saint" of the Church, Constantine I). Suggesting that Irene has been characterised ruthless out of "misogynist prejudice" shows a serious lack of perspective. 212.152.70.12 05:12, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
