Talk:Iraq Dossier
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Should this be moved to February Dossier? Martin 09:37, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)
- Do people know it as that? I only know it as the dodgy dossier. Would most people understand what the term "February Dossier" referred to? (I genuinely don't know, as I'm hopelessly out of touch with everything...) -- Oliver P. 09:41, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)
- Yes it should. Both for NPOV and for navigation. Townmouse 22:36, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
I moved this from the article:
- However the Really Dodgy Dossier was the one put forward by Number 10 in the days immediately following the 9/11 massacre. The "Responsibility For The Terrorist Atrocities In The United States, 11 September 2001 was put forward by the Prime Minister's Office to show the "proof" of the involvement of Osama bin Laden in the 9/11 attacks, and was used by the Americans to justify their invasion of Afghanistan.
If someone who knows more about this can verify this, I guess it can be re-incorporated. --Minesweeper 00:13, Nov 15, 2003 (UTC)
This all seems a little POV to me.... could we rephrase the intro to something like: "The "Dodgy Dossier" is a name coined by Channel 4 News for... "? At the moment this POV name isn't ascribed to its authors until the second paragraph. fabiform | talk 15:49, 11 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Can't the article just be called Iraq: Its Infrastructure of Concealment, Deception and Intimidation? Yes, it's long, but it's surely better than calling it a nickname invented by Channel 4 News. After all, the Ken Livingstone article isn't at Red Ken. BillyH 17:13, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
The use of this nickname has become so widespread on both sides of the political spectrum that I don't think its use in this context indicates a POV. A like-for-like comparison would be that no-one refers to the Beveridge Report as 'Report to the Parliament on Social Insurance and Allied Services'. Agreed with Fabiform about the opening sentence, though: perhaps a more neutral version might read: 'The Dodgy Dossier is a widely used nickname given to a 2003 briefing document prepared by the British secret services for the Blair government, entitled Iraq: Its Infrastructure of Concealment, Deception and Intimidation. LDGE 23:41, 9 July 2006 (BST)
[edit] February 2007 proposal
I propose renaming this article Iraq Dossier which is both more descriptive and more NPOV. I have seen a number of references to the Dossier in recent months and none have used the Dodgy Dossier sobriquet. Further, this term does not figure in the David Kelly or Hutton Inquiry articles. TerriersFan 03:33, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
– The term "dodgy dossier" shouldn't feature under the David Kelly or Hutton Inquiry articles because the controversy surrounding David Kelly was to do with the September, 2002 dossier. The "dodgy dossier" sobriquet was only attached to the February dossier at the time of publication because of the swift detection that it had been largely plagiarised from the PhD thesis.
As time has passed, some people in the media have referred to the September, 2002 dossier as a "dodgy dossier", either through conflating the two dossiers or as an implied criticism of the political influence on that dossier by Alastair Campbell.Jmorrison230582 20:23, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
