Talk:Ira von Fürstenberg

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[edit] Surname

Since titles are no longer recognized in Germany or Austria, her surname, by birth, is "von Furstenberg", not to be translated as "of Furstenberg." Legally, that is her surname.204.126.250.177 18:47, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

And you have the authority to say that? Socially the titles still exist and are still used to refer to most of these people./ How can you change her name because of what you claim to be a legality, yet maintain the title of princess? Charles 21:55, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Surname

How do we handle her surname now? Her legal surname is "von Furstenberg" not "of Furstenberg". And if we translate the von to "of" should we not do the same for her former sister in law, Diane von Furstenberg? Worth pondering? I think this translating of "von" etc at times can be ridiculous, frankly, especially when the person uses it as a surname rather than a geographical designation.Kitchawan 16:41, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Ira at least uses the name Ira von Fürstenberg, would otherwise be Ira Prinzessin zu Fürstenberg and historically and socially entitled to the title and style HSH Princess Ira of Fürstenberg. I wouldn't consider it translating her surname, just using her title. She still has a surname. The difference between her and Diane is that Diane is not a princess of anything since she divorced her prince. Fürstenburg was an actual territory and members of the family still use the titles. Charles 18:17, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Charles, my only question is regarding her surname, since she is known professionally and (largely) socially as Ira von Fürstenberg, does that name necessarily have to be translated?Kitchawan 18:31, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

My reply applies to what you asked regarding the translation. There is nothing wrong with the use within the article. The common name is given as the article title but it doesn't have to be name used within the article. Charles 19:35, 21 September 2007 (UTC)