Talk:IRA Northern Command

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Contents 1 Area it covered 2 Charles McGlade 3 Merge 4 Attention of Admins 5 Link for Charlie McGlade 6 O/C Northern Command

[edit] Area it covered

Shirley Leitrim, Louth, Monaghan and Cavan were NC?--Vintagekits 17:40, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

That was the later NC, the first one only covered seven counties. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 17:43, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Cool.--Vintagekits 17:44, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Aye, I'll be getting to the second incarnation later. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 17:46, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

I shouldnt have doubted you!--Vintagekits 17:48, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Told you so ;) Still got plenty more to add, like the Stephen Hayes incident that caused all the friction between North and South for starters. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 18:58, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Charles McGlade

He was known as Charlie McGlade, not charles.--padraig3uk 09:13, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

I'll go by what the source says, until a different one is provided. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 09:21, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

I knew Charlie well, nobody called him charles, and if you want a source, try Ruairí Ó Brádaigh The life and politics of an Irish Revolutionary - Robert W. White ISBN 0 252 34708 4 .--padraig3uk 09:42, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

I care not for your original research, and I've just checked the index of the book and there's no mention of MacGlade. Feel free to provide a page number, until them stop changing sourced content please. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 09:46, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Well if you look again in the index on page 426, it point to McGlade, Charlie, 260, 273, 284, 288. Or try Sinn Féin a hundred turbulent years by Brian Feeney index page 456 points to McGlade, Charlie, 305. ISBN 0 86278 770 X--padraig3uk 09:59, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

None of those refer to Northern Command, or confirm it's the same person. It's original research to change the name. Please respect Wikipedia policies. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 10:20, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Stop acting like a cupla madra bitseachi, ye couple a bitches. Charlie is as Charlie does imo.--Vintagekits 10:38, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Quote:In an attempt to reorganize the disoriented army, Hayes fatefully appointed two Belfast men to IRA GHQ Staff in the spring of 1941, Sean McCaughey becoming Adjutant-General, Charlie McGlade Quartermaster-General. from p56 Armed Struggle the history of the IRA by Richard English ISBN 0 330 49388 4, index p486 points to McGlade, Charlie 56, 67, on page 67 it refers to Charlie McGlade again and also the idea of creating the Northern Command in late 1930s' although it refers to just the six counties as being included.--padraig3uk 10:52, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

In The IRA the secret army 1916-79 by J Bower Bell ISBN 0 906187 27 3 p176, quote: In the six counties, tempered by two years of RUC pressure and exposed to the reality of British occupation, the Northern Command was far more agressive. In the summer of 1939 McGlade had reorganised on a seven county basis, including Donegal at Dublins request, and brought in younger men like Seán McCaughey then on p177 it has When McCaughey returnedin December 1939 after a short prison sentance in Dublin, McGlade made him C/O of the Northern Command and served as his Adjutant. so your source is incorrect, his name is McGlade not MacGlade as you have it and he was known as Charlie not Charles, the book also has other references to him as well.--padraig3uk 13:05, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Sinn Féin in Drimnagh, Dublin named a cumann after him | Charlie McGlade Cumann .--padraig3uk 13:57, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

None of the sources you provided are adequate, as none of them state that the Charlie McGlade referred to is the same person who had the idea for Northern Command. Until a specific source is provided, the original research will be removed. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 11:19, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Agh go way will ya with dat guff sham!--Vintagekits 11:30, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

I have provided you with about four reference sources, against your one, I also personally knew the person involved and it is the same person, so stop with your WP:OR rubbish, and just accept the facts, that you have the persons name wrong.--padraig3uk 12:58, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Here is another link that proves the name is wrong [1]. I am now going to correct the article.--padraig3uk 20:40, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

• Here is concrete evidence to end this. In Coogans book he is referred to as Charles MacGlade on p.174 - however in the index the link to that page says Charlie not Charles.--Vintagekits 12:59, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge

Surely this article would be best served as a paragraph with in the IRA and PIRA articles. It is unlikely people would search for it individually. --Counter-revolutionary 20:18, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Wait until it's finished. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 20:20, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Righto, of course. --Counter-revolutionary 20:52, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. It should also be noted that it's been redlinked in the PIRA article since July 2005, so it's not just an article we've decided to create recently, other editors think an article is merited as well. The history of Northern Command is quite important, and it's probably slightly too big to cover in-depth in the main article. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 20:59, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Despite me changing the template, it's still under construction. Just that I'm going to be busy for the next few days, so it made no sense keeping the other template on. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 18:44, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Assuming this isn't deleted, I'm merging it. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 20:56, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

I respectfully disagree with the honourable members from Hackney and Tynan. This article is of significant importance to Irish republicanism and is impossible to be contained in one article.--Vintagekits 12:42, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Hopefully you can sort it out then. As due to the arrogance and lack of respect shown by a certain editor, I'll leave this article and 100s of others to him, if he can find time out from edit warring over names and flags.... One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 13:11, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Attention of Admins

There is no need for the speedy delete of this article, the original author was reverting edits to article to correct a error he/she had made, then when presented with sources to prove they were wrong, and the article was edited to reflect this, they then placed a speedy delete tag on the article and has reverted attempts by other editors to remove the tag.--padraig3uk 21:18, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Incorrect. I stuck to what the sources say as opposed to your original research. I concur with the above merge, and as the target name is an unlikely search term, deletion is preferable. Other editors have no right to remove a correctly applied G7 tag. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 21:19, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

It states on the speedy delete page that other editor other then the original editor can remove speedy delete tags. On the issue of your source, I have proven that your source was incorrect in the spelling of Charlie McGlades name, and provided about five sources to prove that, you refused to accept them and reverted my edit and accused me of inserting WP:OR.--padraig3uk 21:28, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

G7 is not a normal speedy delete, it is one requested by the author. There is no {{hangon}} option on the template. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 21:31, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

I have no interest in getting involved in a edit war over this, but I think you should accept that in this case your source is incorrect, I respect the work you have done in wikipedia, but you know yourself that sources are not always correct, authors of books do make mistakes.--padraig3uk 21:36, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Neither source is incorrect. Incase the two a ye fergat Charlie is short for Charles - so its wan an da same person fer feck sake. I just reckon his most common name is Charlie.

I have no interest in getting involved in a edit war over this - the history says otherwise. The main bone of contention is that you were prepared to spend two days arguing over it and provided sources that while not providing the information required did mention Northern Command, yet neglected to expand the article with that information despite there being an expand template on it. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 21:41, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Link for Charlie McGlade

The link in the article is currently linking to another IRA volunteer killed in the 1940s, I hope to create a article on the Charlie McGlade refered to in this article who died in 1982, any sugestions on how we can different between the two in the titles.--padraig3uk 13:14, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Interesting, I never even know we had a Charlie McGlade article (yes I know I edited it!). I need to think about the disamb. Anyway if you are going to create an article on "our" Charlie please ensure it is created through the confines of the WP:IR prep pages.--Vintagekits 13:32, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] O/C Northern Command

What was the task of the O/C Northern Command? Was the O/C NC and the chief of staff the same person? If they were not the same person, which competencies had each? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Carlospencer (talk • contribs) 11:08, 20 October 2007 (UTC)