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[edit] "mcdonalds" vandalism in introduction

"Apple focused its development on the iPod's unique user interface and its ease of use, rather than on mcdonalds."

Could anyone please revert to the last edit before this vandalism was inserted? Some proofreading for further discreet vandalism like that would also be appreciated! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.216.72.122 (talk) 21:53, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] intro paragraph

the intro paragraph lists the current range with the shuffle as "entry level", the nano as "mid level" and the touch as "high end". this seems misleading as the players have different target markets and different functions. e.g. the shufflle is largely marketed for sports use, the touch as a partially portable computer, as well as an mp3 player, and the classic/nanos as a dedicated mp3 players catering for those with different needs, i.e. amounts of music. For example, music lover with a large colection would almost certainly choose the classic over the touch for its larger capacity, and a sports enthusiast may choose the shuffle for its portability and ease of operation when exercising. 213.121.151.142 (talk) 17:48, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

That is misleading, I agree. I'm not sure iPods even have "entry levels", they just usually have different capacities for the same model that cost more. JayKeaton (talk) 02:40, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Reliability...

Regarding this passage in the Reliability and Durability section:

"A 2005 survey conducted on the MacInTouch website found that the iPod had an average failure rate of 13.7%. It concluded that some models were more durable than others."

Does an online/user-participatory/unscientific poll actually fit Wiki's criteria as a "reliable source"? I think it offers interesting information, but I don't think it passes muster as an encyclopedic source.

--SiickBoy (talk) 08:25, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

macintouch is over a decade old, it certainly qualifies imo —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.125.110.223 (talk) 13:42, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] iPawd

Should it mention the pun iPawd? Basketball110 what famous people say 04:35, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

go ahead. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 06:36, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Statement in iPod article re:

...copying "purchased media from an iPod to a computer." The article states that "iTunes 7 and above can transfer purchased media of the iTunes Store from an iPod to a computer, provided that the DRM media is transferred to any of the five computers allowed for authorization with DRM media."

Anyone of the millions and millions of people out there with an iPod and an iTunes account can verify the incorrect nature of this statement. But, for verification purposes, this article should be cited: http://www.engadget.com/2004/11/02/how-to-get-music-off-your-ipod/. As it states, since version 4.7 of the iTunes software, the popular utility "iPod download," has not been included. The syncing of music files to an iPod is a one way operation, from a PC or Mac to the iPod, but not the reverse. There are many third party programs out there that allow the backup of music files on an iPod.

Again, for verification, open iTunes and sync one's iPod. When it appears in the source list, highlight a specific song, either DRM or DRM free and attempt to drag from the view pane to the "Library" source list representing one's library on the computer's hard drive and iTunes will not allow the operation. One may, however, copy any file from the "Library" in to the iPod's source list using a standard USB connection. I feel this is more of a direct source of verification than anything found on the world wide web.Hesatease (talk) 23:04, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

That doesn't verify the statement is wrong, only that your way of doing it is wrong. Instead, go to the "File" menu and pick the "transfer purchases from X" option where "X" is the name of the iPod. I'm not sure what that engadget article is supposed to verify. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.120.178.13 (talk) 11:58, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Open pod night

Open pod night at the walmer castle ph 4 south street deal kent ct147aw is a night in a pub or club where you bring youre ipod or mp3 digital music and the DJ playes your choice from your ipod . —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.2.221.26 (talk) 04:01, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Why were i-pods invented —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.81.157.219 (talk) 07:43, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Viruses

should it be mentioned in the article that some iPods are preloaded with viruses? because i think that should be an event worth noting. 75.68.228.120 (talk) 02:37, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

yes, that would be a good idea. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 06:36, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Unhappy endings and peacock journalese

We read:

The line-up currently consists of the hard drive-based flagship iPod classic, the high-end touchscreen iPod touch, the mid-level video-capable iPod nano, and the entry-level screenless iPod shuffle.

My tentative translation:

Those now sold are hard drive-based and rather expensive iPod classic, the more expensive touchscreen iPod touch, the iPod nano (which plays videos), and the cheap screenless iPod shuffle.

Is that right? I never know about these flags, ships and ends: Is a flagship higher than a high end? -- Hoary (talk) 13:55, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

See Flagship (disambiguation) and see if you still consider the word vague. I don't know that the word applies to the Classic. Apple seems to be touting the touch more heavily now. joshschr (Talk | contribs) 14:39, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Ah, OK, try again:

Those now sold are the hard drive-based iPod classic (from which Apple makes the most money), the more expensive touchscreen iPod touch, the iPod nano (which plays videos), and the cheap screenless iPod shuffle.

Is this right? -- Hoary (talk) 14:59, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Put "less expensive" in front of nano and replace "cheap" with "least expensive", and I think that's closer to an accurate description. I think "high end" applies to price and functionality, which the touch has in spades over all the other models.. joshschr (Talk | contribs) 15:05, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Hm, how about saying very simply what each does (I mean, in no more detail than there already is there) and skipping the mention of price? People can guess.

Incidentally, Category:IPod_software doesn't mention Linux, and Linux also doesn't seem to appear in any iPod category, which I find odd. This intrigues me; pity it's not yet shoehorned into the "touch" model. -- Hoary (talk) 15:44, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

I think the original language covered the price, storage capacity and functionality well enough for an introduction sentence. I think each model has its own article to cover those issues. I think it is unnecessary to outline what each does in the intro. If you really feel the original language is marketese, slap a NPOV tag on the article and get more discussion. If the language was pulled directly from the Apple site, I understand changing it. I think it was descriptive without being unnecessarily detailed. joshschr (Talk | contribs) 15:58, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Hey, I work for Apple, and I'm deeply hurt that you'd remove language we use to superliminally convince people that our product is the best and only product that will bring them eternal happiness. Get a dictionary, look up the word thesarus, then maybe you'll realize that what you call "market speak" is actually more concise and accurate than the words you decided to use. The article now reads like an 6th grade essay. 156.98.4.11 (talk) 18:07, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] ipod sound quality

any sources for sound quality of current generation ipods? as far as i can see they still sound poor. why is this? corporate neglect? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.18.168.112 (talk) 11:22, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Find some good sources, and it can go in the article. Otherwise, you just come across as a troll. AlistairMcMillan (talk) 19:27, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

ipod's are great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.107.8.15 (talk) 08:06, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

its just from personal experience. i have both apple and sony products, the ipods total package is superior, but its sound is definitely cut off compared to the sony. sadly there don't seem to be any tests recently that i know of. its just odd apple would let it this issue fester. i have no problem with apple, i just want them to fix this so i can feel good about giving them my money again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.18.168.29 (talk) 09:11, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Regarding the equalizer distorting things if bass is increased, it is suggested that "One possible workaround is to reduce the volume level of the songs by modifying the audio files." Shouldn't it also be mentioned that you could simply lower the levels of all the other bands, effectively making bass louder than them but without increasing any beyond 0dB and causing distortion? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.90.245.211 (talk) 10:10, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "The Beat Goes On" Conference

Someone sohuld make something about how the name of the "Beat Goes On" conference fueled the rumors that The Beatles' catalog will be added to the iTunes Store, because the name of the conference is also the last name of an article about the Beatles' break-up. Moreno Valley User (talk) 02:22, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wanted: Feature-set Comparison Table

I would like to see an undocumented feature-set comparison table of the various Pixo OS based iPods (As of this writing, all iPods but the Touch and the iPhones appear to be Pixo OS based.). For example, I am trying to determine which models (and corresponding OS revisions) support the Skip Count feature of iTunes 7. Another example is that 1G and 2G iPods did not support On-The-Go playlists. Chris Murphy (talk) 06:21, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

That has the potential to get too detailed. Just document it in the respective generation section for the respective iPods Butterfly0fdoom (talk) 18:25, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Technical mediawiki question about the lower case i

Sorry this isn't about iPods but I could use technical assistance on another article and this looked like a possible source of expertise. I'm trying to cleanup the article Coffeeheaven which should not start with a capital C. But the mediawiki software won't let me move the article to coffeeheaven. I have no idea how to get it to show it as lower case as it does here at the top of the page with the lower case i in iPod. Help appreciated. Thanks. -- SiobhanHansa 17:19, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Just add {{Lowercase}} to the top of the article and talk page. -- Vary | Talk 17:35, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
In hindsight that's pretty obvious I should have guessed! Thank you. -- SiobhanHansa 18:44, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
It's actually lowercase, not Lowercase. Lady Galaxy 00:25, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

The ipod is the hottest mp3 on the market of 2008. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.150.12.101 (talk) 19:46, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] are we allowed to add external links?

hi my name is glenn and i have been recenlty trying to add an external link to th ipod page on an article which talks about the dark side of the apple iPod. the moderator Esanchez7587 kept on reporting me as Spam.

i feel this is highly unfair as the article is highly informative and it is based on facts. if you wish to read it the address is http://glennforever.com/webarticles/iPoddarkside.htm

i would deeply apprecite your help and that is why i am posting the link here before posting it on the main page

Thankyou 210.214.80.124 (talk) 19:13, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Sort of. See Wikipedia:External links, Wikipedia:Conflict of interest, and Wikipedia:Spam.--HereToHelp (talk to me) 20:17, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] This is crazy

I spent over 3 hours trying to convey my point across about how iPods make great self defense weapons. And all you WM's (Wiki Masters) do is crush my dreams and ruin perfectly good opportunities for regular people to protect themselves. How is it illogical to tape an iPod to a bomb or gun for stylish self defense? This is absurd. I believe I should be able to express perfectly good uses for iPods. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.33.13.233 (talk) 03:12, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

If you have so much time and writing skills available, why not put them to good use? There are many articles in Wikiopedia that could use some improvement. From proofreading to researching a subject to fill in missing information, there are many constructive ways to contribute. -- Tcncv (talk) 03:19, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
For instance, Tcncv's responses to other's posts. See "Wikiopedia." dwilczyn (dwilczyn|talk) —Preceding comment was added at 02:38, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Spam removal

Just wanted a note made that I edited the iPod article to remove spam that was posed at the top. --RyanKlein (talk) 04:33, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] iPod Repair and Parts

iPods can be repaired in almost any case. Every part of a ipod can be easily exchanged with new parts that can be bought online within the USA. They are cheap and in most cases easy to install.

There are several places on the internet to get the repairs done.

[edit] Use of "classic"

(I'm new, please be gentle)

Many places in this article (and others), "classic" is used for iPods which are not the mini, nano, touch or iPhone. Also in this article, the classic is called the 6th generation.

"fifth generation iPod classic"

Neither of these are really correct. The classic (and the only classic) is the latest 80GB and 160GB iPods. There is no 5th gen classic The previous iPods are not "classics".

In the table of models, next to the sixth gen iPod (which is incorrect), it states "Introduced the "classic" suffix." It's not a suffix, it's the correct name of the latest version of the iPod.

Yeah, I think Apple messed up by not sticking with a decent model name by using "iPod with clickwheel", "iPod with color display", "5th gen iPod with video", etc. but simply slapping "classic" on all iPods in wikipedia is not correct. I see there has been some previous discussion of this.

Chrisca123 (talk) 21:46, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 5.5 Generation iPod

In the entry in the table for the 5th generation iPod, it makes mention that a later version had a "search" feature and is sometimes called a 5.5 generation iPod. That '5.5' generation iPod also had a brighter screen as well as improved battery life.

It is referenced in this CNet article:

http://reviews.cnet.com/mp3-players/apple-ipod-fifth-generation/4505-6490_7-32069546.html

I don't have an account so I can't add it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.196.135.181 (talk) 15:00, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Docking Compatabilty

The Post on the Nano, Second Generation (2006), indicated a change in the 4 pin connector. I have a 2nd generation Nano and need (please) to know if a docking connector in my car that works with this Nano will be compatible with a 5.5 (2006) Generation Video? Please, please help me. Way too much time and money spent without an answer. Thanks, Eric67.174.127.130 (talk) 06:09, 6 May 2008 (UTC)


[edit] They are not all called iPod Classic

Whoever wrote this page dosesn't know what they are talking about. iPod Classic was the name given to the current generation of the iPod
not the whole back-catalogue. if you look on the apple website they refer they previous models as ipod 5th gen, ipod 4th gen etc.
They don't call them iPod classic 5th gen, iPOD Classic 4th gen etc. and with the new model they just call it iPod Classic not iPod classic 6th gen.
THIS NEEDS TO BE CHANGED I HAVE CHANGED THIS NOW ON THE IPOD CLASSIC PAGE

--92.11.168.233 (talk) 14:14, 10 May 2008 (UTC)


Not sure. Before Mac OS 8, it wasn't called Mac OS, just System. Yet apple chose to keep their version numbers. However, the iPod classic didn't have a huge hard drive (it's major feature) before they renamed it classic. Is it still the same product, people? Semicolons (talk) 19:29, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
I seem to remember going through this before, and trying to point out the same thing (that a Clickwheel iPod is not a "classic", for example), but whatever passed for "consensus" kept it the way it is. *shrug* – ɜɿøɾɪɹℲ ( тɐʟк • ¢ʘи†ʀ¡βs ) 01:31, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hello People (reccomendaytions)

Geez ipod nano and video and classic have all been good for people i know so if you are thinking of getting one i would highly recommend. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.59.62.213 (talk) 00:23, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

I know you were trying to help people, and yes the iPod is a great media player, but as far as Wikipedia is concerned, there's no need to have these comments on talk pages. Just a bit of good practice, no offence meant. Semicolons (talk) 19:26, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] List of iPods

The article mentions the nano, touch, classic and shuffle.
Should the iPhone be included? It has iPod capabilities, an icon labelled "iPod" on the home screen, yet Apple gives it a separate section on their website. Let me know what you think.
Semicolons (talk) 19:19, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] FAQ : how to rip DVD and convert Video to iPod

FAQ : how to rip DVD and convert Video to iPod Download this software at [1]

The article includes two parts. Part 1: Rip DVD movie to iPod (Windows) Part 2: Convert AVI, WMV, MPEG, RM, RMVB, ASF, MOV, DivX, XviD, MPG to iPod MP4 or H264 format (Windows)

[1]How to rip DVD to iPod (Windows) 1. Download the latest version DVD to iPod Converter + iPod Movie/Video Converter Suite at [2] and install it. You can download about it by referrring here. [IMG]http://www.oursdownload.com/ipod-guide-1.jpg[/IMG] 2. Run the DVD to iPod Converter, load your DVD by clicking 'Open DVD' button or choosing 'Open DVD' from 'File' drop down menu. One or several titles appear in the list after loading DVD. [IMG]http://www.oursdownload.com/ipod-guide-2.jpg[/IMG] 3. As usual, the longest title is the main file of the movie. You can remove the title you don't like to convert by unchecking the title. Set 'Subtitle', 'Audio Languages' to what you like.

4. To 'Output Folder', Enter the full pathname or choose the path where you want to save your video files by clicking the related button.

5. Click 'Convert' button to start the iPod DVD conversion.

6. Find the .mp4 file that DVD to iPod converter created and drag it into your iTunes library, or select 'Add File to Library' from the 'File' menu and select the encoded movies. Now you can watch it with iTunes or Quicktime Player on your PC. Tips: Download iTunes 7+quicktime Player package from [url=http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/win.html]Apple - QuickTime - Download[/url] [IMG]http://www.oursdownload.com/ipod-guide-3.gif[/IMG] 7. Load the MP4 files to iPod by clicking 'File -> Update iPod'. Now, you can enjoy the movies on your fifth generation video iPod anywhere and anytime.

[2] How to convert iPod video, such as AVI to iPod, WMV to iPod, MPEG to iPod, RM to iPod, RMVB to iPod, ASF to iPod, MPG to iPod, DivX to iPod, XviD to iPod video using "cucusoft iPod Video Converter + DVD to iPod Suite". (Windows)

1. Download the latest version iPod Video Converter + DVD to iPod Converter Suite, and install it. For more features about it, visting [3]

Related download

  • To convert RM/RMVB real media files to iPod, Maybe need to install Realplayer:

[url=http://www.real.com/freeplayer/?rppr=rnwk]RealPlayer - The best audio and video player - Real.com[/url]

  • To convert WMV, ASF to iPod, Maybe need to install Windows Media Player:

[url=http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/default.mspx]Microsoft Windows Media — Your Digital Entertainment Resource[/url]

2. Run iPod Video converter component. And load the video files you'd like to convert by clicking 'Open file' button. [IMG]http://www.oursdownload.com/ipod-guide-4.jpg[/IMG] Click 'Output' and choose the pathname where you want to save your video files. Click 'Convert' to start converting video to iPod MP4 or H264 files.

Tips: Before converting, you can click 'Advance -> Video settings' to set 'Video format', 'Resolution', 'Framerate', 'Output Quality'. If you'd like to convert video to H264 files, please set 'Video format' to 'H.264 FQ Variable Bitrate'. 'MPEG4(.mp4) FQ Variable Bitrate' is the default value. Certainly, you can also set 'Audio Bitrate', 'Channels', 'Sample Rate' and 'Volume' in 'Audio Settings' page. [IMG]http://www.oursdownload.com/ipod-guide-5.jpg[/IMG] As usual, we set "Resolution" as "320x240" (i.e. default settings), certainly you can also choose other video sizes you like.

3. After converting, you can open the output folder to check and play the iPod video files (.mp4 or .mov) using Quicktime Player (Freeware, Quicktime Player+iTunes downloading address [url=http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/win.html]Apple - QuickTime - Download[/url] ).

4. Transfer the iPod videos to iTunes by draging or clicking "File -> Add File to Library". Now, you can enjoy them on iTunes. Then hit "File -> Update iPod" to sync to your iPod.

Download it at [4] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.223.57.58 (talk) 00:19, 9 June 2008 (UTC)