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[edit] Voiceless labialized velar... approximant?

I don't know if this is something they changed the definition of for the 2005 revision, but isn't ʍ a fricative and not an approximant? • 辻斬り^? 22:48, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

I think the difficulty probably comes from the fact that when an approximant becomes voiceless, it takes on the characteristics of a fricative. Due to this, I think some might even call voiceless approximants fricatives. As I understand it, [ʍ] is usually [w] without voicing. --j0no 20:37, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

The IPA still uses the term 'fricative', but for historic reasons. Phoneticians recognize that this is an approximant. (A labialized velar fricative is written xʷ.) One of the reasons for redoing the chart is to stop perpetuating such confusion. Likewise, lateral flaps get their own row, and epiglottals their own column here - people often think those aren't normal pulmonic consonants because in IPA publications they're lumped under 'other'. There is, however, one misconception that is perpetuated in this chart: h, ɦ are not glottal, nor are they fricatives or approximants, but rather bare phonation. They really should be placed under 'other'. kwami 07:22, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Italics

Could we remove italics and replace them by straight up ones? ---85.27.32.51 13:45, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Which italics? kwami 07:22, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Error

The Primary Articulation box at the bottom shows a dental 'b'. Commander Nemet 17:23, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, a labio-dental plosive, for those who don't wish to use the grey non-standard symbol in the chart. kwami 07:22, 20 May 2007 (UTC)