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[edit] MTV2

Is Invader Zim still shown on that channel? On the Sic'emation page it says that all Nick shows are no longer being aired. Since I don't have the channel I can't really verify it, so if anyone knows for sure, make sure to remove that from the article. RyGuy17 16:18, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Archive

I archived it. It was getting too long.--SUIT 23:33, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] german name

I just removed the "(Eroberer Zim)" thing from the name list, because it is called "Invader Zim" in Germany. Adding "(Eroberer Zim)" to that name gives the false impression that this might be some sort of subtitle. It is not. 130.83.73.250 15:21, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bloody GIR

I'm not putting it here asking about it, I'm just putting some info. The Bloody Gir in BBRP is RIGHT in the middle of the screen when it goes totally white. You can see his whole body.

[edit] G for Garbage

I've absolutely no idea what Invader Zim is, but going through the page's history I saw quite a few insertions about G in GIR standing for garbage. If it's not true, then please subst {{needsource}} or {{vw}} on the users' talk page. Thanks. Xiner (talk, email) 18:52, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

In the episode that introduces the GIR character, Zim asks why GIR's name starts with a G and the Tallest shrugs, so it is pretty specific in the series canon that the characters don't know. Whether the show's staff had an inside joke or not hasn't been attested yet. They don't mention it in the DVD commentary I've seen. --Fire Star 火星 21:31, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
I've never seen a source that says specifically that it stands for "Garbage" either so I suggest any edits which insert this information should immediately be reverted unless it has a reliable source. Bill (Talk) 22:14, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
The Tallest shrugs and GIR itself just says "I don't know." There's also no mention of a full name on the commentary track. Unless there's some creator interview or leaked script I'm not aware of, the "G" stands for nothing in particular, other than the first letter of a kinda-funny name. ShaleZero 03:47, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
This is getting pretty rediculous. The reason you've never seen a source that specifically says the G in Gir stands for "garbage" is because one doesn't exist. Why? Because Johnen's laughing at you. The fact that he made it so obvious yet there's still debate over it is pretty ludicrous. Yes. It's never been stated officially. Hell, it was never stated officially that the US and Russia were at war. That doesn't change the fact that they were, even if they decided to word things just so to appear to be a country that's amidst a war without actually being "At war". The bottom line is this. In the show, Gir was put together last minute to address the issue of not having a robot for Zim. Since all of the other invaders were being given "SIR" units, Zim expected one. However, the tallest did not expect to even see Zim nonetheless be sending him on a mission, so while the mission was made up in an endeavor to rid them of the nuisance known to them as Zim, they still had to play it straight lest Zim become suspicious. So they made a new unit out of the body of a Sir unit (that apparently had just enough of it's innards in tact and working that all it needed was a brain) and a handful of... you guessed it... GARBAGE!!! So, you may ask why no one as explicitly stated if it stands for garbage. One doesn't have to be told what SNAFU stands for to know what a SNAFU is, no? So Johnen instead decided to portray it completely comedically offering several punch lines instead of just answering the question. Odd behavior for a guy who is trying to write a COMEDY. So when Zim asks what the G stands for and Gir responds with "I don't know", it's just a punch line. You wanna take a little more serious than that then fine. One can assume Gir either properly doesn't know, knew but forgot, or doesn't even care what the question was in the first place (as he often finds himself talking for no paticular reason other than to be heard, holding his own discussions about irrelevant topics even amidst life threatening disasters). As for the response from the All-Mighty Talest... the shrug makes perfect sense, and DOES serve to lay creedence to the notion that G stands for "Garbage". After all, if you sent a man on a presumably dangerous mission with nothing to assist him but garbage, would you want to be the one to break the news to him? Zim thought his Gir unit was BETTER than a Sir unit. Gir said I don't know. The shug? That's basically the tallest saying "If he doesn't know, I'm not going to be the one to tell him". Not the "I don't know" that everyone seems to THINK it is.Smokachu (talk • contribs)5:30, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
Or it could stand for nothing, the first letter is a coincidence, and you're reading WAY too much into an animated shrug of the shoulders. Without a source, it's not encyclopedic. And it's still a joke if GIR's crazy and made up its own name without not knowing what it means. ShaleZero 16:05, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
People refer to RSJs as Reinforced Steel Joists because obviously they are reinforced, the fact is that's an incorrect term (it's Rolled Steel Joist) even though it appears to be correct. My point is that just because you've made a link and it seems like it fits, it's still going to need a source because it could easily be wrong. --Bill (talk) 16:10, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
It would be nice to add in the little joke that grrr is a common description of the sound a dog makes when growling and that GIR often wears a dog suit disguise, but that is too close to original research on our part, IMO...--Fire Star 火星 16:17, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
I don't think anyone mentioned this or if they did I'm sorry. Are you implying that the G is for garbage because that is what was put into Gir at the time he was created? I think I remember the Tallest reaching behind him or something, grabbing some trash and putting it in Girs head. Or more likely he wanted to stick with the wierd little 3 letter names and Gir is just a cool name. (-Kid. 16:44, 2 March 2007 (UTC))
If the G in GIR stood for garbage, GIR's technical name would be "Garbage Information Retrieval". Another possibility is that GIR's name is a pun. His earthly disguise is a dog.

Wait, somebody already put something about this. Sorry. Pengwiin 12:10, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Uhm... I suggest you go back and watch the first episode again. What was put into Gir's head was, in fact, not garbage. It was useless junk taken out of the pocket of one of the Tallest and included some string/lint/wire, buttons, etc. There's a difference between garbage and useless junk found in ones pocket.69.112.29.153 (talk) 16:27, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Look, the container from which the red tallest grabs GIR's body clearly have a 'G' written on a blue sign on it, most probably standing for garbage.Dimacus (talk) 19:26, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Invader Zim

I've created a WikiProject page for Invader Zim to help us all coordinate what we can do to the articles. I've put a few tasks that I've been doing lately but need to be finished across all the articles. See the project page if you want to join or have anything to say about it. --Bill (talk) 06:40, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The show takes place in the future, not an alternate reality

I want to see a source stating otherwise, because the evidence in the show indicates it takes place in the future. Specifically, there is one proof: in the Tak episode, when they're handing out slabs of meat for Valentine's Day, Dib says something like, "I read that long ago, people used to pass out candy and flowers." That implies we're dealing with a future Earth. CGameProgrammer 07:09, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Or it could be the future of an alternate reality :D Zazaban 22:31, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

It actually was stated in the commentary that is is in fact both set in the future and in an alternate reality.

[edit] Anime?

According to Blockbuster, it is labled as "Anime" is that incorrect or true, seeing as IZ somewhat resembles anime (note the eyes).VicAndPhill 02:23, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Anime is Japanese animation. Unless IZ is Japanese or based on Janapese style it cannot be anime. Zazaban 20:09, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Also, Blockbuster isn't a reliable source. PureSoldier 02:51, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

The eyes aren't shiney like anime either. --24.255.178.253 00:10, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

But the DVDs are made by Anime Blasters

That doesn't mean anything, that's just the counpany that puts it out. Zazaban 01:28, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


They probably did that because Invader Zim wouldn't go in the kid's section since it's rated PG --Sango4ever 18:28, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Totoro

Does anybody notice that in the episode with the evil alien babies that try to steal zim's ship, That in a corner with all the stuffed animal there is on that lokes like tottoro, The big forest spirit from that Hayao Miyazaki movie.Jesusinmysock 15:20, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

What's your point?JordanZed 22:26, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

It would be a good thing to add to the trivia section obviously.Jesusinmysock 19:22, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

The aim is to not have trivia sections. If you have a source, try to work it into somewhere else in the article. If you don't have a source or reference then I'd say leave it out. ●Bill (talk|contribs) 19:27, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Some one already put somthing about the totorro on the article about the episode. Jesusinmysock 17:30, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Official title

I propose the this article be moved to Invader ZIM, the official title of the show, with this page redirecting there. My sources for the name are the Nickelodeon official website where it only refers to the show as Invader ZIM, not Invader Zim. Also reputable TV listings such as TVguide.com and Yahoo TV. I'll also fix the naming convention on other pages linking here. Are there any objections to this? ●Bill (talk|contribs) 21:53, 16 May 2007

This violates WP:MOS-TM, it wasn't in the Naming Convention policy so I didn't find it until after the change. I've since added it to the naming convention. ●Bill (talk|contribs) 12:49, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Upcoming episodes

Does anybody know if new episodes have been scheduled? Or has the whole project finished?--Andersmusician VOTE 19:40, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

No more episodes have been scheduled as the whole project was scrapped with unfinished episodes.

[edit] Invader Zim Wiki

I once went on the Invader Zim Wiki(pedia?). Now I forgot the internet address to it. I went here (Wikipedia) to see if this article had the address. It didn't. Does anyone know it? --TimySmidge 21:30, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

it is http://zimwiki.com/index.php?title=Main_Page --70.67.167.157 20:01, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 2006?

I know for a fact that the original run of invader zim ended long before 2006. Perhaps repeats aired during 2006, but that definitely doesn't count as it's original run. 76.15.11.36 15:42, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

No, some episodes wern't shown untill summer of that year. Zazaban 17:35, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New episodes?

But what if the unfinished episodes air? 66.72.193.13 22:52, 6 November 2007 (UTC)Kinz


[edit] Revisions to Invader ZIM page

I think it would be a good idea to overhaul the ZIM page to make it match the quality of Avatar: The Last Airbender. We need to add character thumbnails, cult following information, perhaps the true title [Invader ZIM], and a detail of the ratings history.65.12.233.213 (talk) 14:33, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Hey,

So almost all the other stuff has been done to Invader ZIM, and I just fixed the intro a bit. I think we just need a bit of copy editing on the page and more references, in addition to cult following information, and a detail of the ratings history, preferably from Nielsen. Also, all the related pages need overhauling (the characters, planets, few remaining episode pages, etc.)Leslie Granger (talk) 16:08, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Major Revision Vote: To move Invader Zim to Invader ZIM

Rationale: This has been attempted before, but wasn't "officially" set up. The name Invader ZIM has been used by ImdB, tv.com, nickelodeon's official page, and others I can't recall right now. ^^; Please issue a vote of yea/nay under me so an admin. can move the page over all magic-like.65.12.233.213 (talk) 23:18, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Read this.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 23:19, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Erm, yes, I understnad that it does technically violate MoS policy; however, when I recently attempted to do a cut and paste move, the admin. who corrected me listened to my explanation and comparison to the iPod problem a while back, and said that if reached by a consensus, the move could be done "legally". :)Leslie Granger (talk) 23:29, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Let's wait for some replies then. Just remember, no cut-and-paste moves :x—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 23:30, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
In the immortal words of GIR: "okee-dokee"! :DLeslie Granger (talk) 23:32, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] There is already a Invader ZIM

And I must note that Invader ZIM and there is already a Invader Zim are two diffrent articles, for the same thing? I just found this out while looking into moving the article!  Doktor  Wilhelm  20:04, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Currently Invader ZIM redirects to Invader Zim. ●Bill (talk|contribs) 20:22, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
I understand, but the admin. said he'd ignore MoS if we reached a consensus, so how about it? :)Leslie Granger (talk) 21:33, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
I didn't ignore it per se; I decided that this is one of those times when an exception to a policy/guideline is applicable. —Animum (talk) 23:35, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
I think we all agree, it's Invader ZIM. the move page says that it's already been moved though? so what's up with that?  Doktor  Wilhelm  21:38, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I also agree. Move Invader Zim to Invader ZIM, please. Paul Haymon (talk) 23:03, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Y Done —Animum (talk) 23:34, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Yay! As GIR would say, "Thank you! I...I love you!" XDLeslie Granger (talk) 00:24, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
Great! Good job. Paul Haymon 08:18, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WTF is up with the revert?

I come out of my last midterm only to find the switch REVERTED?! This has to be the most ridiculously strict interpretation of WIkipedia's rules ever! (Not on your part, animum, but on whoever actually changed the rule to specifically out Invader ZIM as an example). This insitence on "correct capitalization" is preposterous on the following levels: 1) It has no positive effect on Wikipedia's organizational methods compared to the old page. 2) The idea that iPod and eBay are exceptions totally self-contradicts the rule, since the IDEA is to totally bypass actual spelling and naming conventions for the sake of "gramatically correct capitalization". 3) It actually mis-leads the public into thinking "Invader Zim" is the correct name of the show, and contradicts the spelling on the ACTUAL PAGE itself and all official releases of the show that call it Invader ZIM. 4) This is, first and foremost, an OPEN INTERNET RESOURCE. Other OPEN INTERNET RESOURCE SITES like IMDb, TV.com, and IGN (to name a few) call this show by its actual name, REGARDLESS of "naming conventions" that are or are not held by the site. 5) Everyone else was fine with the revert, so "truth by consensus" was reached.

In conclusion, this decision is of utmost consequence and of trivial "help" to Wikipedia's "standards". I vote for this rule to be removed OUTRIGHT when using the ACTUAL NAMES of the subject of each page as the page title. Please revert the revert as soon as possible, or give a valid reason for the reverting to the incorrect Invader Zim OTHER THAN the existance of that "guideline". :/Leslie Granger (talk) 15:48, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

PS: Please note that I did not move the page myself out of respect for Animum and his decision to follow the guidelines. I am just holding those who made such a ridiculous "guideline" wikipedia policy responsible.Leslie Granger (talk) 15:52, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but choosing to not follow guidelines and getting angry about which prefered title doesn't help you. Following some of Wikipedia's core guidelines WP:MOS and WP:NC which state the article is in favor of having lowercase letter despite the trademark. i.e. Specifically this section which is titled: Wikipedia:NC#Use standard English for titles even if trademarks encourage otherwise. The only exception is first letter lowercase and the second letter is Uppercase, like iPod. Other things like Invader Zim's move can be sited at mOBSCENE -> Mobscene and WWE RAW -> WWE Raw. Saying there was consensus is outright wrong unless you want to invite a larger audience outside users who don't edit Invader Zim articles. As for it misleading anything, it states in the opening paragraph that the name is trademarked as Invader ZIM, I don't see it confusing anyone. As for this being an open internet resource, yes, it is, but something you should know is that Wikipedia has guidelines for a reason, one of those guidelines is naming conventions and this article is no exception just because you favor editing the article. You cannot just ask for a "rule" to be removed because you don't like it, it don't work like that. — Save_Us_229 16:27, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
I understand. ^^ It was just some initial anger. Now that I've read all that, I understand better. Thanks! :DLeslie Granger (talk) 16:46, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Your welcome, feel free to come to me if you need anything else. — Save_Us_229 16:47, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Actually, I did want to ask if it was necessary to also change the references in the page itself to lower case, but reading the page, I understand it has to be kept in regular cases. I'm glad "written as Invader ZIM" was added just to clarify a bit. :)Leslie Granger (talk) 16:51, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I try to add the trademarked name in the opening paragraph if I can just to let readers know. :P — Save_Us_229 17:15, 20 December 2007 (UTC)


[edit] A source that could be used: Jerry Beck's Not Just Cartoons: Nicktoons!

I found a book in the bookstore called Not Just Cartoons: Nicktoons! by Jerry Beck. I'm not going to buy it and join the project, but I will ask the other members to get the book so that they can add real world information about various fictional characters.

This makes the creation of separate articles for *many* fictional characters feasible. Having information about the development of the character will make the articles satisfy Wikipedia:Notability (fiction)

WhisperToMe (talk) 21:03, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

And perhaps even the recreation of all the episode articles. Zazaban (talk) 06:23, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
The recreation could happen for the ones that have extensive information about development (the creative process, such as how the ideas were developed, etc.) WhisperToMe (talk) 17:51, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
I think it is very important that we re-create the episodes, and now we need citations for its reception and such. ^^;Leslie Granger (talk) 01:34, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Granger, that is very much a possibility if the Beck book (or other sources) discusses specific episodes. With extensive information on development some episodes may be separated into separate articles. WhisperToMe (talk) 22:12, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Very true, we'll definitely have to look at that. :D Also, any ideas for references for the rest of the stuff? Maybe creator interviews, etc.?Leslie Granger (talk) 22:28, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure where the interviews are cataloged, but if Jhonen Vasquez has any on his site... WhisperToMe (talk) 07:03, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Also, for the deletion of the fact that it's a cult classic; do we just need any source that calls it a cult classic? ^^;Leslie Granger (talk) 22:31, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

As long as the source is reliable it can be put back in. ●Bill (talk|contribs) 23:55, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I'm an unregistered user, and I just wanted to ask if the references I put in are ok. ^^65.12.233.213 (talk) 01:04, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
I'll have to check ClarkDVD. WhisperToMe (talk) 02:40, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Newgrounds

The mention of Newgrounds needs a secondary source to back up the claims made in the paragraph. A link to Newgrounds is basically a primary source and needs support. ●Bill (talk|contribs) 21:18, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Zim articles up for deletion

If you can give attention to these articles, in order to rescue them from certain prod/afd-dooom, please do. Everything Zim-related (but these a.s.a.p.) needs a thorough de-crufting, removal of obvious Original Research, and providing of basic sources (episode and interview cites?). Or just copy it for personal posterity. -- Quiddity (talk) 08:41, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

  • List of vehicles in Invader Zim
  • List of planets in Invader Zim
  • Irken
  • The Resisty
  • SIR (Invader Zim)
Looks like the Zim-haters have won. All that work down the drain. Whee. Clayhalliwell (talk) 15:58, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Please do not use Wikipedia:Personal attacks - The people wanted to keep Wikipedia encyclopedic. It is possible to make a Wikia for Invader Zim to store Zim info that would seem trivial for Wikipedia. WhisperToMe (talk) 20:10, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
For the record, I participated in some of these AFD's and I very much enjoy the show. AtaruMoroboshi (talk) 16:14, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Quick-failed GA nomination

According to the quick-fail criteria, an article can be quick-failed if it includes any cleanup/further attention banners, which this article does (in this case {{Expand}}). Feel free to nominate the article again once this issue has been taken care of. Kakofonous (talk) 03:59, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Edited spam

I saw someone made an edit about their username on some weird website, so i reverted it, and i was wondering if it was okay ~~Conmanx360

Yep was fine. Well spotted. Bill (talk|contribs) 21:43, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] GA review

This article needs a lot of work, neither the Good Article process nor the Featured Article process are driven by luck, so nominating over and over again without reading the reviews will get Invader Zim nowhere.

Problems:

  • The lead section needs to summarize the whole article, see WP:LEAD for some tips.
  • The article needs to be verifiable, so pretty much every statement like "which is typical of Jhonen Vasquez' drawing style", "conveys misanthropic and pessimistic themes", "These include repeated references to bees, squirrels, moose, meat, chihuahuas, monkeys, tacos, "piggies", cheese, morbid obesity, and various euphemisms for", "Media Blasters silently stopped including it with the termination of Palisade, the toy company that had been producing Invader Zim figurines, without notifying distributors that the package had been altered", "was not initially well accepted, failing to acquire a steady audience", the awards section, etc.
  • When it comes to style problems, all references have to be in the same format. See here for a how and here for examples
  • Some prose problems as well, the "format and setting" section (once sourced) should be more concise and not just paragraphs with random facts. Same goes to the awards section.
  • The plot section has to be copy edited, it has to much jargon and it doesn't read very well
  • "Reaction and legacy" section; for starters, I am not convinced about the whole "legacy" thing, there should be something on the section to back up that claim like another artist talking about how much ZIM has influenced him or a spin-off. When it comes to "reaction" you need something more than IMDB and TV.com, something backed up by a reliable source, if not is original research.
  • There are too many images, you need to get rid of some of them. Plus, all of them need to have a Non-free use rationale.
I am failing the article as it still has a long way to go. Please see What is a good article? before renominating, you could also check out good articles like Futurama and Pinky and the Brain for some examples of how this article should look. If you disagree with this review feel free to ask for a reassesment. --Yamanbaiia(free hugs!) 09:56, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
It would become a better article if one incorporated material from Jerry Beck's Not Just Cartoons book ;) WhisperToMe (talk) 20:11, 14 April 2008 (UTC)