Talk:Interstate 4

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I reverted the recent change by an anon IP. I'm just gonna trust the at least one logged in person more than the anon. — Ilγαηερ (Tαlκ) 01:28, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Some of us anon's have dozens -- if not hundreds -- of edits. In my case, I have a username, but my work computer rejects cookies... and I gave up having to sign in every five minutes months ago. The contribution history will help you if need be... 147.70.242.21 01:20, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] history_educator

What has me curious is why is an entire INTERstate highway located in only one state? Doesn't the meaning of interstate involve several states and not just one?

List of intrastate Interstate Highways --SPUI (talk) 23:19, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
It's part of the Interstate Highway System -- the name was spelled out in a bill signed by President Eisenhower in the 1950s -- believe it or not, all 50 states (and Puerto Rico) have Interstate Highways (many of which don't have that red, white and blue shield). 147.70.242.21 01:20, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
I-4 is also one of the only parent interstates in the continental US that has NO spur routes. Wslupecki 14:07, 4 August 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Infobox Interstate

Per the mediation on Interstate 76 (east) the routeboxint must stay. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 02:36, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

I put a fresh routeboxint in earlier (as I understand, that's the project's specs), and now it's gone, replaced by the original template. Who's in the right? And if it's me, can someone put it back, please? --WhosAsking 23:23, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

I would say that you are in the right because of the Mediation Cabal. It's also happened at Talk:Interstate 76 (east), see that page for more details. We're working on a solution now. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 02:01, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
As an outside opinion, it seems to me that the results of the Mediation Cabal and the RfC should stand. SPUI, I've seen a lot f your edits and you're not stupid, but I think you're being unreasonably obstinate here. Considering the circumstances, this seems like an awfully silly thing to be digging your heels in opposition to (maybe not quite to the level of WP:LAME but getting there). As WP:DR states, if you still can't come to a resolution, the last step is to ask for arbitration and this really shouldn't have to escalate to that. howcheng {chat} 07:39, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Malfunction Junction

I heard from both news articles (I cannot locate those at this time) and a now shut-down Tampa Blog, that the I-4/I-275 Interchange, better known as Malfunction Junction, actually earned the notorius nickname about five years after the interchange was built in 1965. At that point, the junction was already seeing rush hour backups due to the immense ammount of traffic that the interstate was handling. This was blamed mostly on the rapid growth of Tampa in the 1970s. Wslupecki 12:11, 1 August 2006 (UTC). Now with the current reconstruction, I'm sure that has made everyone's commute just that much more frustrating. However, I am quite thrilled that the construction is almost done, so that traffic can finally flow through the junction more efficiently and that rotten nickname will finally disappear as a result. Wslupecki 12:11, 1 August 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Cleanup Issues

Sorry for the mass confusion regarding the I-4/Crosstown connector project. I was using the original, full of mumbo-jumbo, template for that section, which contained a ton of misspellings and confusing phrases. I have since revised the section and added a link to the project page (which is in the Tampa Bay Interstates website). I have also removed the cleanup tag now that the article is neat and clean. If there are any issues regarding the revisions, please contact me via my talk page. Wslupecki 12:24, 1 August 2006 (UTC).

For those of you who are already well familliar with the proposed I-4/Crosstown Connector project. I am planning to eventually spilt the I-4/Crosstown Connector section from this and the Lee Roy Selmon Crosstown Expressway article, and create a new section entitled "Interstate 4/Crosstown Connector". For details, visit the Selmon Expressway Talk Page.

I noticed that some revisions will be needed in the near future to bring this article up to standards. Wslupecki (talk) 15:24, 10 January 2008 (UTC).

[edit] History Expansion

Thanks to a website I found that lists historical info about Florida's Interstates. I was able to dramatically update the history section on I-4. I have listed a link to the website in the Reference section of the article. Wslupecki 14:05, 4 August 2006 (UTC).

Also, a few bits of the information used in the history section for the Tampa area came from the shuttered Bayciti.net. Wslupecki (talk) 15:20, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Split I-4/Crosstown Connector section

I believe that this section should be split into its own section entitled Interstate 4/Crosstown Connector. Please visit the Lee Roy Selmon Crosstown Expressway discussion to voice your opinion.

Split Complete. I have created the new I-4/Crosstown Connector article after much planning. As a result, all pertinent info on the Selmon Exwy and I-4 pages have been replaced with a link to the new article. Wslupecki 03:15, 8 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Rewrite of Article needed

Over the newxt few weeks, I will be substantially rewriting the history and notes sections of the I-4 article. I have noticed that several points are out of order and the bulleted lists make the article look further unorganized and less encyclopedic. Again, over the next few weeks, I will be working on rewriting these sections. Wslupecki 20:41, 1 June 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Exit list

The last change to the exit list took it out of standards, directional plates and {{scaps}} are not to be used in exit lists. Also, don't remove use of {{jct}}, it ensures that the standards are being met, it also ensures easy transition if the standards are changed. --Holderca1 18:09, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

OK, I must have missed the memo on the directionals and {{scaps}}, so my apologies on that. However, none of the exit lists ranked as "excellent" by the exit list guide use the {{jct}} template, and I tend to agree for a few reasons:
  1. It makes the toll road shields too small to read (I think that's a 15px, tops, and they need to be 20px),
  2. If there is more than one road name, it only places the first one listed in parentheses and leaves the remaining ones listed almost like towns, and
  3. It doesn't always pick up the correct links (U.S. Route 92 (Florida) didn't exist until I redirected it (purely because US 92 is only in Florida), but does a redirect need to be created every single time I want to use {{jct}}?)
That being said, I think it'd be much better leaving everything else the way I changed it, of course fixing the other things like the {{scaps}}, etc. That way, more flexibility and reliability can be done so there's less red-links and errors in general. So, I'm going to be bold, change it back to my edit, make the necessary corrections, and we can go from there...sound fair? EaglesFanInTampa 18:25, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I will reply to each of those, {{jct}} generates what is written specifically in the guide and it has been used on Florida and Texas exit lists for lack of a better word, beta testing, look at the edit history for the template and you will what I mean, it is very complex and constantly undergoing changes to improve it. Okay going into your detailed list:

1. Hmmm, it actually makes all the shields 20x25px (20px tall x 25px wide), that way it makes wide shields 25px and square ones 20px, I think the problem with the FL toll shield is that it is taller than it is wide, the template is forcing it to 20px tall and it is causing it to be less than 20px, I will look into this, see if I can find a work around.
2. Not sure exactly what you mean. You can put as many as you want in parathesis. These are just for examples:
SR 5 (Washington Street, Lincoln Avenue)
SR 5 (Washington Street) / SR 10 (Lincoln Avenue)
3. Actually those links/redirects need to be created anyway, {{jct}} uses in the infrastructure of {{infobox road}}. Although in some circumstances it seems pointless to point to a redirect, it is nigh impossible to do it any other way. Redirects are not bad things and the end user is only aware of it is they see the redirect notice under the article name.

I am not sure what you mean by "red links and errors" Can you provide specifics? Any additional feedback is appreciated. --Holderca1 18:42, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

I also noticed another error in your version, street names should not come after the "ndash;". Only cities and landmarks come after the dash. If the state road has a common name, it should follow the state road designation in parantheses. For example if SR 5 is also known as Lincoln Avenue at that intersection, it should be notated as SR 5 (Lincoln Avenue) – Orlando. If the named road is an additional road at the exit and not the name of the state road, it should follow after a comma. For example, SR 5, Lincoln Avenue – Orlando. --Holderca1 18:55, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Template:jct is merely a tool that helps; use it if you want, and don't use it if you don't want. I'm not at all a fan of using templates where ordinary wikicode will work, but the template is just so nice. But it's up to you; you don't need it to make an exit list. --NE2 20:15, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Definitely, it is not mandatory, I initially created it to help streamline the exit list creation, everything is so repetitive when it comes to exit lists. Another reason is trying to keep all the naming conventions of not just all the articles straight, but images as well. Another added benefit is it takes much less to to type to get the same result, for example,
{{jct|state=FL|FL|A1A|city1=Miami|city2=Jacksonville}}
[[Image:Florida A1A.svg|25px]] [[Florida State Road A1A|SR A1A]] – [[Miami, Florida|]], [[Jacksonville, Florida|]]
[[Image:Florida A1A.svg|25px]] [[SR A1A (FL)|]] – [[Miami, FL|]], [[Jacksonville, FL|]]
They all three produce the same result. --Holderca1 20:32, 2 August 2007 (UTC)