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[edit] Highway Damage and Collapses

-jakob187 - 3:18pm (08/04/2007) I am a resident of Waco, and after hearing about the collapse of the bridge in Minneapolis, I thought I would post up on here that it may be more than just Missouri dealing with this. Last month, a piece of the I-35 bridge that overpasses University Parks Dr. collapsed off and fell onto top of some cars. Mind you, this isn't the same thing as an entire bridge collapsing like in Minneapolis. However, I think it's safe to say that maybe some inspection needs to be done on I-35 with so many reports coming in of collapses. My cousin lives in Oklahoma, and they said there was a piece of cement that had fallen from an overpass as well.

It just makes me worry like crazy about how safe this highway is anymore.

This page is for discussing the article, not the subject. --TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 20:23, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Links

Hmm.. Dallas/Fort Worth and Minneapolis/St. Paul are not links..

I suppose if I change this page, then there'll be 50 others to change too..

[edit] Major cities

Should we remove Albert Lea, MN from the list? It's not even a major city in Minnesota. Even though it lies at the junction of I-35 & I-90, it's not very significant of its own accord.

  • Well, technically Mason City, IA isn't even on I-35 -- it's approximately 8 miles east. I-35 actually runs through eastern Clear Lake, and the original two Mason City exits (not counting the exit for 'new' Highway 18, which only goes east) are signed as "Clear Lake/Mason City". However, I would vote to keep both Albert Lea and Mason City on the list -- they are know, at least locally, and provide landmarks for where the interstate falls. --Rehcsif 17:39, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
  • The significance of Albert Lea and Mason City being on the list is that they are AASHTO control cities as designated on the highway. That's why I think they should stay, regardless of size. —C.Fred (talk) 21:48, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
That makes sense, thanks. --Rehcsif 21:54, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Interstate table changes

Added I-30 as a major junction and Laredo, Waco & San Antonio to 'major cities' list. Laredo (208k), Waco (120k) & San Antonio (1.3m) meet requirements. Houston, however, was removed because it's 180 miles east of I-35. 208.190.154.22 20:17, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Whoops, I shouldn't add infoboxes late at night; it makes reading maps hard. :P Thanks for your fix! Scott5114 19:36, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Control cities designations

I'm a bit concerned about the apparently dated nature of the source list for control cities linked to this page. In addition to being purely an Adelphia subscriber's personal web site, the information pertaining to I-35 is somewhat inaccurate. The page lists I-35's use of alternating control cities for Dallas/Fort Worth both north and south of DFW. I know for a fact that 'Denton' is used as a control city from the north (also, 'Dallas' in Oklahoma), and has been for some 15 years or so now. Also, Temple is used extensively as a control city both south of Waco and north of Austin (although, it's co-signed with Waco). And new overheads have recently been placed just north of Norman indicating 'Norman' as a new control city for I-35 south of Oklahoma City. Thanks for reading this - are you asleep yet? :P --Emersonbiggins85 05:46, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Temple may appear on the sign as a destination city, but is it a control city? If it's signed as Temple/Waco, then Waco is the control city. I can't recall now whether 35 SB lists Temple only coming out of town. I'd like to see the AASHTO list first-hand, but the only place it seems to be online is that reprint. C.Fred 06:33, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
I've tried unsuccessfully to track down an I-35 Temple control city sign anywhere on the net. However, here is a link for Denton as a control city for I-35, found in Gainesville. Notice that US 77 was cosigned with I-35 originally, but removed in the mid-90s or so. 'Denton', SB I-35 This recent sign in Dallas legitimizes the control city status for Denton as the control city for I-35E, and a similar situation exists for I-35W. 'Denton', NB I-35E--Emersonbiggins85 21:13, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Here is a link for Norman, OK as a control city on I-35. I believe that this only exists on a couple of southbound signs, and is probably yet another ODOT anomaly, seeing as many violations of standard signage protocol occur on their watch. 'Norman', SB I-35--208.190.154.22 15:52, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Of course, all of this could call into question the officiality of the respective state DOTs in adhering to federal guidelines for control cities, though the 'Denton' guidesigns are so old that they exist in button-copy form. 1990~ish

--Emersonbiggins85 05:58, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

That sort of stuff happens all the time. I believe the term for it is intermediate destination if memory of the MUTCD serves correctly. They're not official control cities but intended to aid navigation, especially around urban areas. (Side note - one thing I always think of when I see that I-35 Norman sign you linked to is "if you've made it this far, you're going to Norman, like it or not.") Scott5114 05:21, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the clarification. I wholeheartedly agree about the Norman designation, but I am less convinced that particular designation applies for Denton, as it is signed both southbound from the north (all the way from the Red River) and northbound from the south out of both Dallas and Fort Worth. For all intensive purposes, it is treated just like Waco is treated to the south of DFW, which is an official AASHTO control city. Both have equal standing, at least according to the signs that exist. Probably another codified and copied TxDOT inconsistency. --Emersonbiggins85 16:54, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Old routebox content

This was the previous content of the routebox, before the reformulation. It might be useful for making exit guides sometime in the future.

Mexican Border TX 0
I-10 TX 153-156
I-37 TX 158
I-20 TX 418 (I-35E)
I-30 TX 427-428 (I-35E)
I-40 OK 126-128
I-44 OK 133-138
I-70 MO 2
I-29 MO 4-8
I-80 IA 72-87
I-90 MN 13
I-94 MN 107 (I-35E)
Minnesota State Highway 61 MN 259

[edit] Exit table

[edit] Texas
Number Mile Destinations Notes
1A Scott St./Washington St. Laredo
1B Park St./Sanchez St.
2 U.S. Route 59
Corpus Christi/Freer/Houston
3A Calton Rd.
3B Interstate 35 Business
San Bernardo Ave/Mann. Rd.
4 Farm to Market Road 1472
Del Mar Blvd./Santa Maria Ave.
7 Shiloh Dr./Las Cruces Dr.
8 Texas State Highway Loop 20
World Trade International Bridge
13 Unitec Industrial Park / Uniroyal Proving Grounds
18 U.S. Route 83
Texas Tourist Information Center		 Botines
24 Texas State Highway 255
Colombia-Solidarity International Bridge		 Laredo Terminus:
East End Webb County
West End Laredo, Texas
38 Business Loop Interstate 35 Encinal, Texas Encinal
39 Texas State Highway 44

[edit] Oklahoma
see Interstate 35 in Oklahoma

Kansas
Mile Destinations Notes
4 U.S. 166/81
Arkansas City South Haven		 Kansas Turnpike Free exit
17 Southern Terminal toll plaza Replaced old toll plaza under U.S. 160 bridge, opened spring 2003 [1]
19 U.S. 160
Wellington Winfield
26 Belle Plaine Service Center Opened in May 1998, burned down in 2002 due to a grease fire, and was later rebuilt[2]
33 U.S. 81/K-53
Mulvane
39 U.S. 81
Haysville/Derby
42 I-135/I-235/U.S. 81
Wichita/Salina		 Wichita
45 K-15 Wichita
50 U.S. 54/400
Kellogg Ave.
53 K-96
Wichita
57 Andover Kansas Turnpike
65 Towanda Service Center
71 K-254
El Dorado
76 U.S. 77
El Dorado North		 Nick Badwey Plaza
92 K-177
Cassoday
97 Matfield Green Service Center Contains a memorial to football coach Knute Rockne, who died in a plane crash near Bazaar, Kansas[3]
127 I-35/U.S. 50
Emporia/Kansas City		 Mainline becomes Interstate 335
128A U.S. 50 West
Newton		 Emporia
128B Industrial Rd.
130 K-99
Merchant St.		 National Teachers Hall of Fame
131 Burlingame Rd.
133 U.S. 50 West
6th Ave.		 U.S. 50 joins northbound and splits southbound
135 County Rd R1
138 County Rd U
141 K-130
Neosho Rapids/Hartford
148 K-276
Lebo		 Sun Dance Park
155 U.S. 75
Lyndon/Burlington
160 K-31 North
Melvern		 K-31 joins northbound and splits southbound
Melvern Lake
161 K-31 South
Waverly		 K-31 splits northbound and joins southbound
170 Williamsburg/Pomona Was once K-273[4]
Pomona Lake
Rest Area
176 Homewood
182 Business U.S. 50
Eisenhower Rd.		 Ottawa
183 U.S. 59
Lawrence/Garnett
185 15th St.
187 K-68
Ottawa/Louisburg		 Ottawa Univ., Old Depot Museum
193 Tennessee Ave. Baldwin City LeLoup
198 K-33
Wellsville
202 Edgerton
207 Gardner Rd. Gardner
210 U.S. 56 West
Gardner		 U.S. 56 joins northbound and splits southbound
215 U.S. 169 South/K-7
Paola		 Olathe U.S. 169 joins northbound and splits southbound
Great Mall of the Great Plains
217 Old Highway 56 Southbound only
218 Santa Fe Kansas State School for the Deaf
220 119th St.
222A-B Interstate 435 Lenexa U.S. 169 splits northbound and joins southbound
224 95th Street
225A 87th Street Northbound exit number is 225
225B U.S. 69 South
Overland Parkway		 Southbound only
U.S. 69 joins northbound and splits southbound
227 75th Street Merriam
228A 67th Street
228B-C U.S. 56 East/U.S. 69 North
Shawnee Mission Parkway (63rd St.)		 U.S. 56 and 69 split northbound and join southbound
229 Johnson Dr.
230 Antioch Rd. Overland Park
231 I-635 North

U.S. 69 South Metcalf Ave.

 Mission U.S. 69 joins northbound and splits southbound
Kansas City International Airport
232B Roe Avenue Kansas City
232C U.S. 69 North
18th Street Expy.		 U.S. 69 splits northbound and joins southbound
233A Southwest Blvd.
233B Mission Rd.
234 U.S. 169
7th St. Trfwy./Rainbow Blvd.
235 Cambridge Circle

[edit] Missouri
Mile Destinations Notes

[edit] IH vs. I?

Where in Central Texas is IH actually used? Nova SS 03:39, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

I've seen it in general use in the Waco area, in Yellow Pages ads and the like. I specifically point out this restaurant listing: note the address given for Dock's River Front. It's also used in San Antonio: see these hotel directions. —C.Fred (talk) 04:06, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
Yes, but the implication is that Texas has a unique way of referring to Interstates that no other state uses. That is totally false. For example, see Google searches on IH-35 in Kansas, Oklahoma, Misery, Iowa, Minnesota. Only a pinhead says "eye hech thirty five" when talking about I-35 in everyday conversation about an Interstate.
I know what this is about: TxDOT uses IH in its internal designations, but this is obscure trivia that does not belong on the topic summary. Furthermore, who's to say that other state DOTs don't use this?
If this "IH" abbreviation is noteworthy, it is noteworthy only as trivia. Also, since it is not unique to Texas, if anything needs to be said about this "IH" thing, it needs to be on every Interstate highway page or on the master Interstate highways page.
Nova SS 14:45, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
On the service/feeder roads around Denton I distinctly remember signs reading IH-35 SERVICE ROAD, so it's not only internal. Perhaps the IH- designation could be mentioned further down the page, in the Notes section. The clause about IH- was added to the article lead by an anon a couple of months ago. ...Scott5114 18:17, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merging

I believe Red Bull Highway (Iowa) and Red Bull Highway (Minnesota) are terse enough that they could be covered in this article. I don't believe either article can be expanded much beyond their current length. -Ravedave 17:30, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Oppose Iowa, support Minnesota. The Iowa article is inappropriate to merge here because it pertains to US 34, not I-35. The Minnesota article should more correctly be merged to Interstate 35 in Minnesota—but since that doesn't exist, merge it here. —C.Fred (talk) 17:48, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
    Additionally, I have proposed the merger of the Iowa article to US 34 (see talk page). —C.Fred (talk) 17:54, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose Iowa, support Minnesota per Cfred. —Scott5114↗ 20:49, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Iowa merge closed, Minnesota merge completed. -Ravedave 17:26, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Highway of Holiness

I was interested to see that addition to the article. I used to live in Waco, Texas, and a church group held services under one of the overpasses near the Baylor campus. I always figured they were just using the large, open space; I've never seen anything linking it to the Highway of Holiness, but now I'll have to go looking. —C.Fred (talk) 00:56, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

  • The CNN article fascinated and surprised me. If you can find other resources about the Highway of Holiness, please add them! Chip Unicorn (talk) 02:02, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
  • More information on the "Highway of Holiness" can be found at http://www.generals.org/index.php?id=1656&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=99&tx_ttnews[backPid]=1654&cHash=c94473413d (and through the links at the bottom of the page.) Chip Unicorn (talk) 02:09, 20 December 2007 (UTC)