Talk:Interstate 210 and State Route 210 (California)

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[edit] There is an issue with California State Routes that are also Interstates

For those California State Route articles whose next links point to the Interstate part of itself, CA-15/I-15, CA-210/I-210, CA-238/I-238, those links are only pointing to the present article. Considering Interstate 80, California State Route 80 redirects to Interstate 80. But since 15, 210, and 238 already have state routes, there is an issue with coding routeboxes for them. You do not need to edit routeboxint in the Interstates' articles, their browse boxes are editable for the use of various states. 15, 210, and 238 will need custom written routeboxes, I suppose. This will be brought up in the WikiProject. --Geopgeop 18:49, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

(Addressed with the new infobox) --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 05:48, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Old junction list

I said in my edit summary that I was going to move the old infobox here, but since the junction list is already here, I won't. When you're implementing the new infobox, please try to do a complete job whenever possible. -- NORTH talk 19:50, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm aware... I ran out of time and I've been so swamped with homework that it's been difficult... sorry about that. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 02:57, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
No problem. Sorry if that came out a little meaner than I meant it to. I'm in the same boat (haven't been around as much in case you haven't noticed). -- NORTH talk 17:40, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] July 24,2007

The segment highlight in dot green on maps between I-15/215 opened yesterday. I thought they suppose to start changing green shields in I-210 ones. Because travelers from I-215 would be confused if the CA-30 shields were still there. Isnt it going to be done by now? Please let me know for answers. Freewayguy 23:52, 25 July 2007 (UTC)HPShu789194

[edit] Glendora Exits

Does anyone know where the reference for mileposts came from?

LA R44.20 Lone Hill Avenue
LA R44.40 to 57, 71 10

When eastbound, the exit for the 57 South transition road comes before the exit for Lone Hill off-ramp. When westbound, the merge from the 57 South transition road comes after the merge from Lone Hill on-ramp. I would expect the post for 57 to have a smaller number than the post for Lone Hill. Next time I'm stuck in the curve, I'll try to find the actual posts (if they are there).
John Rotunni 22:50, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Easy, the Caltrans route log: http://www.dot.ca.gov/hq/structur/strmaint/brlog2.htm. Should be District 7. --Geopgeop (T) 04:20, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Come Play on the Freeway

Any chance noting this? It's not everyday that the public has a chance to play (walk, run, bike, park, etc.) on the freeway. Here's the link: http://www.playonthe210.org/ --Geopgeop (T) 04:20, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Extension over SR 210

With SR 210 complete, does anyone know what Caltrans is waiting for? The I-15 interchange? Or simply AASHTO's next meeting? --NE2 22:34, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

I thought I-210 suppose to eventually take over I-210. I saw the green sign SR 210 and I-210 jct after the end of SR 57 Orange freeway as June 2006 going through northside of West Covina.--Freewayguy (meet) 21:09, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Here's an article from the San Bernardino County Sun, March 27, 2005, "Freeway's name tangled":

As completion of the Interstate 210 extension nears, transportation officials have to make a decision.

Should they ask the Federal Highway Administration to adopt the freeway and christen it Interstate 210 from San Dimas to Redlands?

Or should the leg remain a state route even though the western half of the freeway that starts in Sylmar has the federal designation?

"We are kind of on the fence," Caltrans spokeswoman Rose Melgoza said. "There are pros and cons to both."

On one hand, there's the possibility interstate status will make it easier to use federal funds for improvements and maintenance.

On the other, there's the reality that bringing the federal government into the picture will include a bigger bureaucracy than Caltrans in the picture.

"With interstate designation, you add another level of environmental hurdles," said Darren Kettle, the freeway construction director for San Bernardino Associated Governments, the county's transportation agency.

The federal agency also would have to sign off on any improvements such as revamping interchanges or adding lanes, which would have to meet a gamut of federal standards.

That means more red tape, more time and ultimately more money.

There's no guarantee interstate designation will mean more federal funds. California, as with all states, gets apportioned federal transportation dollars through an equation established by Congress, not by how many miles of road it has in the National Highway System, according to the Federal Highway Administration.

Federal money almost always has strings attached, and interstates sometimes get priority over state roads when it comes to spending those dollars. But just how much extra I-210 might get, and whether the added hassle would be worth it, is unclear.

Interstate 210 is expected to connect with what's now signed as Highway 30 in late 2007, creating a signal-free, east-west shot from Interstate 10 in Redlands to Interstate 5 in Sylmar.

Caltrans cannot apply for interstate status until the extension is complete.

The highway is an interstate from its western end to San Dimas where the extension project began in 1997. From there, the road is a state highway to its eastern end at Sierra Avenue in Fontana.

Construction crews are working on the final eight miles through Rialto and San Bernardino and recently began work at the junction with Interstate 215.

Meanwhile, Highway 30 has technically been part of I-210 since 1998 when state lawmakers passed legislation designating it as such. Caltrans has not changed the signs because of costs and the confusion factor for motorists.

And, from the Riverside Press-Enterprise, July 25, 2007, "Last stretch of I-210 project opens to motorists":

The entire span of the freeway stretches from Sylmar to Redlands. Most of it is designated Interstate 210, but from San Dimas east, it is a state highway.

San Bernardino Associated Governments has no plans to seek the interstate designation, which carries no advantage, agency spokeswoman Cheryl Donahue said. In fact, the federal designation would add another level of review by the Federal Highway Administration, which could add complexity and approval time to future freeway projects, she said.

SANBAG has plans to widen a section of the old Highway 30 through Redlands and Highland, which has only two lanes in each direction. The new freeway has three lanes plus a carpool lane.

--NE2 06:51, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] State Route 30

I recently drove this freeway out to Redlands, and I'm pretty much certain that the eastern part beyond the 215 is no longer signed as the 30, but has been changed to state route 210. Indeed, I definitely remember driving west on the 10 and seeing the sign at the interchange say "210". Therefore, I think this article is out-of-date now. I'm taking the 210 to Highland today, so I should be able to check and make sure I wasn't dreaming. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 16:52, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Update: I've confirmed that what I said is mostly true. It has largely been changed to State Route 210. A few signs still seem to say 30, though. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 02:55, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Shouldn't SR 30 still have its own page?

SR 30 hasn't been completely removed/decommisioned, as it is still a state highway along parts of Highland Ave., 19th Street, and Baseline Rd. It does have a gap in it from Rialto to Rancho Cucamonga, but the point is that it still exists and should not merely be redirected to the I/SR 210 page. Angelsfreeek (talk) 03:20, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Since Caltrans does plan to get rid of this, I don't see the point in temporarily having a separate article. --NE2 09:27, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Glendora Curve

This seems like a neology. less people use this name, and I cant find a source with Glendora Curve. I have doubt about this one.--Freewayguy Discussions Show all changes 03:15, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

What should we do? I look through these piles and can't find any valid source?--Freewayguy Discussions Show all changes 03:20, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

no source there is found valid anyways. just distinctive Wiki company forums.--Freewayguy Discussions Show all changes 03:24, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Those two forums mentions nothing about Glendora Curve, call that section Orange Frwy/i-210 interchange; leave map only but eliminate the imfobox.--Freewayguy Discussions Show all changes 04:03, 13 June 2008 (UTC)