Talk:International Military Tribunal for the Far East

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Contents 1 Copyright violation 2 Expansion 3 Criticism section 4 Question about wording... 5 Citing Sources 6 Kellogg-Briand Pact 7 Sentences

[edit] Copyright violation

I added back my edits from prior to the copyright violation. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Joshuadfranklin (talk • contribs) 17:32, 8 March 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Expansion

Please help improve this article or section by expanding it. Further information might be found on the talk page or at requests for expansion. (January 2007)

Moved from article to talk page as recommended on Wikipedia:Requests for expansion by Philip Baird Shearer. Original history entry for adding the templage to the article page "01:46, 26 August 2005 Miborovsky (added table of charges leveled against defendants)" [1]

Comment on Wikipedia:Requests for expansion reads:

Japanese war crimes in the Pacific. Even with my limited knowledge, I know this article only scratches the surface. JW 12:09, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

I do not think "that more than 300,000 Japanese were charged with Class B and C crimes, mostly over prisoner abuse". John W. Dower's "Embracing Defeat" places the figure at 5,700.

The number was added here perhapse you would like to ask user:Preaky on his/her talk page for the source of 300K. --Philip Baird Shearer 00:50, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

This article badly needs some expansion. And especially the "criticism" section seems inadaquate. Certainly there are some serious questions about the fairness of these trials, while this section seems to absolve it. Laca 01:12, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Criticism section

This article deviates into a non-neutral point of view in the Criticism section. That section is more of an defense of Japanese agression and violation of international law and human rights. Japan was under the control of the military during this era, and the constitutional processes were a sham. This article could lead the reader to conclude that Japan was a liberal democracy, which it was not. This section needs to be seriously reviewed for neutrality. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.235.253.134 (talk • contribs) .

Agreed. At a minimum, this paragraph is sufficiently suspect to move here on the basis of poor writing and inflammatory language; I'll leave it to others to clean it if they wish.--Cory.willis 21:28, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

It was MacArthur to frame up "unconditional surrender myth" which brings the whole IMTFE into tatters. There was no dictatorship in Japan, and the cabinets changed in accordance with the constitutional procedure even during the Pacific war.

This section could be longer, but it now seems very unbiased and gets to the main objection: that Japanese war actions did not differ in kind from those of the Allies in the way that Germany's did. And it does so by quoting a delegate to the tribunal, this section is very good from the NPOV angle now. It would be interesting to see Japanese behaviour compared with that of Americans and Chinese partisans (who they were fighting) or that of the Soviet Union (on the victor's side but arguably guilty of worse atrocities) but it would take some effort to do this well.

[edit] Question about wording...

Can it really be said (at the beginning) that the tribunal was convened to try the leaders of Japan, if the imperial family was immune from prosecution? Although it is mentioned later in the article, it seems like this would be a good place to point out that it was only leaders who were not in the imperial family. MaskedEditor 19:20, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Citing Sources

Sources for the article needs to be cited. Its severely lacking.

Bill-

Sun Aug 19, 2007 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.98.128.114 (talk) 02:56, August 20, 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kellogg-Briand Pact

Since the Kellogg-Briand Pact outlawed aggressive war and Japan was a signatory to it, did that figure into the tribunal's legal justification? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.52.215.67 (talk) 19:01, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sentences

I added the "weasel words" citation here since this paragraph is full of weasel words.... and is unsourced... Ought I remove it?

"Okawa Shumei had a nervous breakdown during the trial and was removed. One of the erratic things he did was, hitting the bald head of the former prime minister Hideki Tojo, shouting "Inder! Kommen Sie!" (Come, Indian!) in German, and the list goes on. Therefore, the presiding judge Sir William Webb (The President of the tribunal) concluded that he was mentally ill and dropped the case against him[citation needed]. From the beginning of the tribunal, he said that the court was a farce, therefore, some people still believe that he was faking his madness in order to be released."

Actually, I'd like consensus to either delete this information since it is unsourced, interferes with the flow of the article and is only about one defendant. Failing that... another section might be needed V. Joe (talk) 14:16, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

I put the info on bottom page notes as, being a well-known fact, I do not think this info should be deleted. The sources should easily be found for example in Bix's Hirohito and the Making of Modern Japan, Brackman's The other Nuremberg or Dower's Embracing Defeat. After the trial, Okawa completed a translation of the Quran...--Flying tiger (talk) 15:53, 19 March 2008 (UTC)