Talk:Intercooler

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[edit] Suggestions

  • How about a block diagram illustrating where the intercooler fits in the supercharger chain? I read this article knowing nothing about intercoolers, and was a little confused by different configurations discussed (intercooler vs aftercooler). A block diagram (or line diagram) for each type would have cleared this right up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.63.55.20 (talk) 03:01, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Reworking content complete

I finished reworking the content of the page. I don't really know how to best format the pictures and other things, but now the content that is there makes sense and is not incorrect or biased. I deleted a lot of useless detailed information that provides no information regarding the intercooler device, itself. - Kevin Kolasa 04 July 13:35H MST.

[edit] Reworking

I am going to rework this entire section by reorganizing and simplifying it's content in order to make it more informative. I need to remove a lot of incorrect information, wrong facts, false assumptions, and generally bad physics. I have a BSc in Physics and know some aspects of thermodynamics quite well. I will attempt to fix this section for it to be high quality information. - Kevin Kolasa 04 July 2007 14:51H MST.

[edit] Toyota Supra

I believe the Supra has a Side Mount Intercooler. FMIC are only aftermarket for them. - Ajax 20 March 07 - 1:16PM

That is correct,all generations of the supra had side mount intercoolers stock.

[edit] Intercooler vs. Charge Cooler

An anonymous user has made edits to this page changing most instances of intercooler to charge cooler. It seems like pedantry (insisting on an obsolete usage) to me, since every car manufacturer I know of says "intercooler" in their specifications for cars with post-compressor cooling. But I'd invite other comments before reverting. If it is to be kept this way, the first section needs to be brought into line with the article name (with respect to boldfacing), and it may need to be merged with charge cooler, which seems to be a different definition. -- Coneslayer 18:22, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm with you on this one. It's well and good to insist that "intercooler" isn't correct usage, but it's much more common than "charge cooler." If we're going to change this, we better start saying "turbo-supercharger" instead of "turbo" too. I vote for the revert. Spinolio 18:31, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

It's reasonable to explain how 'charge cooler' is the technically correct term - but nobody I ever met actually called it that. Revert. SteveBaker 22:09, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

I've changed it back. For one thing, saying "The inter in the name refers to its location compared to the compressors" makes no sense when it's consisently called "charge cooler". User:Angr 10:17, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
The definition of charge cooler is incorrect. Also the name 'intercooler' refers to a cooler located between multiple compressors not a single compressor as in a turbo or super charged vehicle. This site is meant as an accurate place of information not one persons decision (Steve) whether people actually use the term or not.
The title of the article is "Intercooler" - lets talk about intercoolers - and let's use the terminology that people UNIVERSALLY use in the car business (rightly or wrongly). I'm happy to support a paragraph that explains that the terminology is incorrectly used and that 'charge cooler' is technically correct - but to replace every occurrance of the title of the article with another term is confusing. Please sign your comments. SteveBaker 13:03, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
I agree with SteveBaker. I can site several books that briefly talk about "intercooler" vs. "aftercooler" only briefly to point out the original technical difference in nomenclature, but from that point forward always refer to a heat exchanger (whether water or air cooled) for a supercharged internal combustion engine as "intercooler". Again, without regard to having a secondary water heat exchange phase, being direct air to air, regardless of location, regardless to compound charging. Maximum Boost by Corky Bell, or Forced Induction Performance by A. Graham Bell are good examples. Freonr2 04:35, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
The definition of an intercooler/aftercooler in industry is; Aftercooler: a cooler placed after the final stage of compression. Intercooler: a cooler placed between stages of compression. It is my opinion that the cooler between a turbo/supercharger and the engine is an intercooler because there is a stage of compression in the engine which is required before the working fluid (air) is able to be heated and allowed to do work.Noenegdod 21:45, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Multiple merge

Front mounted intercooler, top mounted intercooler and charge cooler have been tagged to be merged into this page, following a brief discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Automobiles. Any further comments welcome. --DeLarge 10:52, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mar 6th 2007 cleanup

After the merge the page needs lots of cleanup. I added some pictures that I think apply and fixed some glaring technical errors. Mainly, intercoolers do not compress the air charge, but they do increase its density. I replaced the use of "compression" in the article to describe the effect with "densification" though I don't like the word anyway. It really needs to be reworded from scratch to just explain intercoolers increase density via temperature without compressing it at all. Also simplified some of the explanations. Still lots of wordiness, repetition, and just ugly flow throughout the article. I'll try to pull some books off the shelf when I get the chance to add some references and make a second pass at it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Freonr2 (talk • contribs) 02:57, 7 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] PSA?

The PSA link in the phrase PSA Peugot-Citroen needs to be linked to an article, not a disambiguation page. Someone who knows what this is referring to needs to change it -- I don't even know, or I'd do it myself. 69.65.232.61 07:46, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Mthill77 16:37, 12 October 2007 (UTC) Done. The link had the brackets in the wrong place. "PSA Peugot Citroen" should have linked to only one article.