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[edit] Water hardness

Hi there. About the Water hardness article: I thought I had done enough looking around for a water hardness article, but who would have thought to look in the most obvious place (Hard water, Duh!). I'll work on merging the articles. Which title do you think is better: Hard water or Water hardness? --DanielCD 16:00, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)

  • I'd suggest keeping the name hard water, firstly because that's how most people know it as (IMHO), and secondly because it seems to describe the broader topic, while water hardness sounds like a measure of hard water itself. --InShaneee 16:07, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Good work

You caught Sumu-abum literally seconds after it was posted; good job!—Trevor Caira 15:01, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

  • Thanks! That's what happens when trolling the 'Recent Changes' page is your idea of fun. :) --InShaneee 15:03, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Reporting Obvious Personal Attacks

HI there. Can you please take a look at MB's conduct on on this page. There is an ongoing dispute and he's addressing the person he's debating as a "troll" and "poor little guy". Regards.--ManiF 20:01, 4 March 2006 (UTC)


Do you have reason for what you say? If not, slander is also considered a personal attack. Admins can also be blocked for engaging in such behaviour, as we successfully blocked admin GMaxwell who constantly threatened me.--Zereshk 23:46, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

I strongly disagree with you. That is not a personal attack, and it is your perception of what the rules say. A personal attack (you posted the wrong link) is one where the person is attacked instead of the argument, or "personally targeted behavior", stipulated here. Nowhere in that sentence do I specifically address Diyako with any ad hominem. Is it about me asking him if he is being "pissed"? The Meriam Webster defines "being pissed" here. I would like to draw your attention to this page regarding Diyako. THIS is a personal attack: "In fact I am discussing with a racist Qashqai turk pasdar terrorist pro ahmadinejad who even do not recognize UN emblem and think it is PDK's" Diyako, 03:14, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
I await your similar warning to Diyako.--Zereshk 00:01, 5 March 2006 (UTC)


Zereshk, what is the diff. for Diyakos comments?Zmmz 00:15, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

You dont see me calling people "terrorist", do you?--Zereshk 00:33, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
Calling other editors "terrorist", "racist" and racial slurs [1] is a clear breach of wikipedia rules. I'm amazed that Diyako has not been banned despite such obvious violation of basic wikipedia rules. --ManiF 18:13, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi.

  • First this returns to when I was new on wikipedia and you despite of being an old wikipedian several times attacked me with most bad words. Second you have continued it even till this time which if necessary I can provide links to all of them in five minutes. Third, You Farsis (Iranians) who due to political and economical reasons have more access to internet when a wikipedian from Kurdish minority comes to wikipedia imidiately disagree with him, call him in every talk page separatist, and mispresent him to all other Iranians in a bad way. For example your links refereing that I am from CIA.!!! admins will know you.Diyako Talk + 00:16, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
  1. Diyako, I can provide links to your attacks too. You werent new. You had quite a number of posts by then. And being new isnt an excuse either. The rules apply to everyone.
  2. Diyako is using the word "Farsis" as an insult. It's an ad hominem to begin with. (Im not even Persian. I'm an Azeri.) I hope InShanee is noticing that. Note that ShervinK and other users have brought this up before.
  3. You lie left and right. I challenge you to show InShanee where I say: "Diyako is from CIA".
  4. I'm not the only here. There is an entire group of editors filing complaints against Diyako: [2]
--Zereshk 00:33, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
I would like to express my disgust at a member calling Iranian wikipedians 'terrorist', I would like to see this user banned ASAP for racism --Kash 11:57, 5 March 2006 (UTC)


Dear admin, I left a standard warning message on user Diyako`s talk page stating he was about to violate the 3rr policy, and provided a link, however, he has erased that warning from his discussion page. This user is getting away with so much, and along with the mentioned violation he is also writting an excessive amount of texts in numerous discussion page. Please look into it. Thanks again.Zmmz 23:59, 5 March 2006 (UTC)


Inshaneee, this is another diff that shows user Diyako has made personal attacks towards other users a habit[3]Zmmz 00:52, 6 March 2006 (UTC).


[edit] betty chan

I see no reasons for not allowing a short bio about betty chan to be written!... give me an explaination please,, thanks Snob 01:40, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

HOw about if i create Yip Kwok Wah's bio? enough media coverage? you can search his chinese name on google.com.hk and there are plenty of websites about him....do you think that will be ok?Snob 01:46, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Actually betty chan meets "Persons achieving renown or notoriety for their involvement in newsworthy events" because Yew Chung is extremely popular in HK and yew chung became the first school to be granted land from the government to operate a private school... and it's all because of her leadership, well of course her husband as well, he is a politician...a few years ago when yew chung got the land, majour newspapers strongly critized yew chung because her husband was the secretary of the former cheif excetive tung chee wa....... does that meet the critera listed on the "bio" page? yew chung was on the news for months.. in hk i mean.. if i am going to dispute this which wikipedia page should i go? thanks Snob 01:53, 31 March 2006 (UTC) thx=]Snob 01:57, 31 March 2006 (UTC)


[edit] User:Ahwaz

This user has made several personal attacks against me and others recently, though he has been asked not to and has been on WP long enough to know better [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] ("don't wet your knickers" - to a female editor) [9] ("my gang"). I was not going to report him because I have tried to be very diplomatic with him, but I noticed his calling me "ultranationalist" in addition to labelling me as part of a "gang" and that I will not tolerate. Thank you. SouthernComfort 08:13, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, no doubt I'll get banned, but those peddling anti-Arab racism will get off without a warning. Just a point of fact, "don't wet your knickers" is a British term that means "stop panicking" and applies to both genders. I made that clear (and I did not know that editor was female anyway!). So, it is pretty low of SouthernComfort to complain about it now. Just another way to stitch up people, I guess. Go on, ban me then: 24 hours or 48 hours?--Ahwaz 09:51, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

He has also been adding tags to Persian people without explanation: [10] [11]. The section in question is sourced. Aucaman has also done the same: [12] [13], and he is aware that the section is sourced. No matter how much explaining anyone does on the talk, he continues to tag the article. SouthernComfort 10:04, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

I have the same problem with User:Ahwaz. I've asked him to stop numerous times, reminding him of the rules, and this is the answer I get from him. --ManiF 11:14, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
And this is the kind of thing you two do when someone disagrees with you: [14] - conspiring against those you call "anti-Iranians".--Ahwaz 11:23, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
That link is from 25 February 2006 when I had just joined Wikipedia, and hence unfamiliar with the wiki etiquette, and I was nonetheless warned about it by InShaneee. --ManiF 11:34, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
You want more examples? I can give more if you want. But I have acknowledged the fact that you moved the personal allegations against me from the front page of the Iranian Wikipedians notice board to the talk page. You've learned a lot faster than some, although I wonder whether you have retained the same sentiment that "anti-Iranians" should be kicked out of Wikipedia. The whole situation would have calmed down if it had not been for a continuation of the group mentality in which the same group of editors (of which you are a member) continue to impose their will and claim it is consensus, when it evidently is not - as in the case of the Persian/Arabian Gulf issue where at least four editors disagreed with what you imposed. It is really, very irritating and why you won't get me to shut up about it - particularly given the fact that some users can make racial abuse with impunity whereas I cannot even tell you to blow your nose.--Ahwaz 12:01, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
I've never attacked you and I'm not responsible for other users' actions or what they may have said to you, you are making this into an ethnic or nationality-based thing instead of dealing with other users on case by case basis. I, along with a few other people, have asked you to stop making personal attacks and be civil, but instead of complying with the rules, you keep making personal attacks and justifying your actions based on some other user's actions. --ManiF 13:13, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
I think you have attacked me. You main objection to the Hurriyya notice board was about me. You personalised it and brought out old arguments. I have simply given a bit of this back. And it does not feel nice, does it? If you want people to live by the rules, then you have to abide by them yourself. The anti-Iranian/pro-Iranian nonsense, in which people who would otherwise be undecided on an issue felt forced to choose, was not started by me. It should end here and now.
If anything, I hope the whole Hurriyya episode (which never matched the level of personalised animosity on the Iranian notice board) has sent a clear message. I know you despise me, but I think you did a good job in bringing everything on that notice board into line. I said it before and I actually defended the existence of that notice board even though I was one of those attacked on it. And I will now relent on the whole Persian/Arab Gulf issue. The accusations and the over-ruling of opinions (as in the case of User:William_M._Connolley, who has no reason to take anti/pro sides) should stop, as should the mass reversions. It is inflaming the tempers of those who are normally regarded as cool-headed.
I have received emails from two users who felt intimidated by some of what has been going on - and not on articles in which I have had any editorial involvement nor in the whole "Aryan" controversy. I felt I needed to state how they felt as an act of catharsis and to prevent people from minorities from feeling intimidated. I prefer arguments in the open instead of cloak-and-dagger stuff - I have never sought a block on anyone. Anyway, I won't be contributing here any more, which will bring a sigh of relief to some. I wanted to state what I felt and have done so.--Ahwaz 15:40, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

InShaneee: OK, that's fine, but I request that something is done about the imposition of "consensus" that does not exist (as SouthernComfort did on Persian Gulf), an end to the accusations of "anti-Persian" and "anti-Iranian" and a serious policy dealing with anti-Arab racism, particularly this: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AArabs_of_Khuzestan&diff=46419732&oldid=45915282

If it happens again and nothing is done about it, then do not be surprised when people bite back.--Ahwaz 15:40, 1 April 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Hi there

My name is Boris. User:Khoikhoi advised me to seek help from you. A certain user called Ilir has been making very biased contributions, personal attacks and has reverted every single edit that has been made to any Kosovo-related article. As you may know, Kosovo is a part of Serbia, and the majority of the population wants to separate, Ilir is one of them, and keeps claiming that Kosovo is independent. What makes it worse is that he personally attacks anyone who confronts him, and calles them nationalist. He has also started calling me, and other users who revert his biased edits, sockpuppets of User:Asterion. I need help from an experienced user like you, I can't argue with Ilir anymore, he is simply pushing his own agenda without consideration of others. Help me preserve the neutrality of Kosovo-related articles, please. -- Boris Malagurski ₪ 09:16, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Greetings InSHaneee. I feel obliged to give a short clarification. The user above has been doing exactly what he claims I have been doing. In coordination with several other users from his nationality and political orientation he has been reverting the content and attacked other users with ironic questions, which do not contribute to a consensus being reached. Kosovo is currently being administered by a UN administration [15] and all I am trying is to refer to that official website when making my statements. user:Bormalagurski instead uses the one-sided sources, from the successor of the government which caused the Kosovo_war. According to its internationally recognized constitutional framework [16] "1.1 Kosovo is an entity under interim international administration which, with its people, has unique historical, legal, cultural and linguistic attributes.", and predictions on whether it belongs to any other country do not help in this case. Thank you for your attention, Ilir pz 10:26, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

It is true that Kosovo is under UN administration, but Ilir fails to recognize that Kosovo is a part of Serbia, which can be proven by looking at any map of Serbia, like this one from the CIA World Factbook. It is not a prediction that it belongs to Serbia, Kosovo is Serbia. It is recognized as such by every nation in the world. Only Ilir and his sockpuppets are trying to make Wikipedia untrue to it's name - an encyclipaedia. As you can see, Ilir follows my every move, and tries to counteract any attempt I make to block him for vandalism, by attacking me and all the other users who are against him but don't have the guts to do anything about it. Help me bring justice to this user. -- Boris Malagurski ₪ 20:00, 2 April 2006 (UTC)


[edit] 69.196.139.250 (talk · contribs)

Okay so this guy is back with more his personal attacks. This time he's accusing me of "attacking articles", "vandalism", "racism", "Strategic fictional editing", and spreading "propaganda" among other things.[17][18] I have no clue what this guy is talking about and he provides no evidence for his outrageous claims. Can you do something about this? AucamanTalk 02:32, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

More attacks AucamanTalk 02:53, 3 April 2006 (UTC)


[edit] I fail to see that calling someone Iranian is invective

If you're going after me for calling someone "Iranian", how about doing something about the numerous times the Iranian editors have called me anti-Iranian, racist, a Jew, an Arab, an Arab nationalist, etc? I've generally kept my mouth shut and tried to ignore the abuse heaped on my head, but it does irk me to be scolded for non-existent incivility when it seems to me that the invective is coming from the other direction. Zora 22:04, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't see that it is wrong to point to evidence of collusion based on nationalistic sentiment when there is ample evidence of such collusion. See [19], [20], and [21].
This group has since cleaned up the Iranian notice board, since Lukas Pietsch called attention to the organizing, but I am still under attack [22].
I don't really LIKE having to run to the admins when I'm subjected to personal attacks. It's like tattling. Surely someone else should notice and take some action. Zora 22:33, 3 April 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Harassment

I did not write that comment (someone else did). Someone was removing it and, per WP:RPA, I was simply putting it back in (it was more than just personal attacks).

I have to say your comments on my talk page are bordering harassment. Leave me alone and stop threatening me with future blocks. I have already been discussing some of your blocks with other users/admins and am about set up a RfC on your conduct in this whole situation. AucamanTalk 22:05, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

It appears that you're not familiar with WP:RPA (the comment was made by someone else and someone was trying to remove them here). I've been told that personal attacks should be left in tact - especially when they're more than just personal attacks. I think you should go discuss this with User:El_C. What you did was a direct violation of WP:AGF and the fact that you still haven't apologized for claiming those were my words is even more shocking. AucamanTalk 22:29, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
You called them "[my] comments" and you assumed they were made by me. And no you're not helping the situation here because I'm subject to daily personal attacks myself and you don't seem to be doing anything about them (I've reported some of them above, and the latest one just a few hours ago here). Instead of fully investigating situations and warning both parties you seem to be only following certain users and warning/blocking them for responding to personal attacks (most of these responses not being anywhere close to the originial personal attacks). AucamanTalk 23:02, 3 April 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Xebat

Hi - I was away for a few days and I just saw the message Xebat had left. I just wanted to tell you that I think you made the right choice, Its not the first or second time he had posted such deeply offensive messages, and I really hope it wont happen again, or you will put an end to it. Thanks again, --Kash 22:59, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

- I just realised that he had posted he is not sorry for his behaviour [23] as well as changing your comments [24] - I will leave it to you, --Kash 23:02, 3 April 2006 (UTC)


[edit] User:Ahwaz

Greetings InShaneee. Sorry to disturb you again. User:Ahwaz is back making the same old personal attacks against users he disagrees with calling them "Persian chauvinist gang" as well as the administrators of this website saying "Wikipedia is a pile of rubbish and the people that run it are donkeys" [25]. He's also posting on User:Aucaman's talk page, advocating a rebellion and "confrontation" to disrupt Wikipedia and its due process. [26] --ManiF 18:05, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Now he's indeircely calling me a "Persian chauvinist" and adding a "donkey" image to your last warning to him. [27] The irony of it all is that I'm not even Persian. --ManiF 19:40, 4 April 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Iranian Nationalists are a major threat to the credibality and sucess of Wikipedia

Dear InShaneee, I understand and appreciate your concern in guarding Wikipedia guidelines. But you are judging me wrong. If you have a quick look at my contributions you will see that EVERY info (I mean it literlaly) I add, will be instantly deleted by 5 specific users and specially by ManiF. A fresh case is List of Arab scientists and scholars, which the Iranians want to totally wipe out of this encyclopedia [28], while ofcourse keeping List of Iranian scientists and scholars. I'm sure that I'm not the first one you have meet with this problem. The Iranians are in hundertes and they even have their own Wikipedia:Iranian Wikipedians' notice board, which is often used a starting base for starting editing wars. And I am just One!!

So, tell me please, what should I do? what legall procedures can I do to stop this "gang behavour"? Jidan 20:19, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

InShaneee to comment on the particular problem - I have to say Jidan should assume good faith, the consensus is not on "wiping out" but to renaming the article, because of the problems rised by disputes over ethnicity of these scientists & scholars. We don't want to rename them to Iranian! just a Muslim, which is what they were known for, and for a period of time thats what many Iranian scholars were famous for - being muslim - not for being Arab or Iranian, however some Arab friends assumed by Muslim it meant that these scholars were Arab, but in any case since there are disputes on the matter, we just want to compromise by renaming it to Muslims.

Thanks for your time - Hopefully this clears things up, --Kash 22:13, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

OK, lets assume good faith. Why was the List of Arab scientists and scholars renamed to List of Muslim scientists and scholars, while List of Iranian scientists and scholars was not renamed? Until there is a proper explaintion on the discussion page I will revert it back. Jidan 22:32, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
The consensus was reached without any opposition, so I don't understand why you have started a little revert war after it. Things like consensus on talk pages are where you get your voice heard, not by revert wars. If you have problems with other articles, you post it in their talk pages not on another article's talk page. --Kash 22:57, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
You haven't answered my question! ;-) And wikipedia is not a democray. Jidan 23:02, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
You are distrupting Wikipedia to make a WP:Point? Wikipedia is a mixture of many different systems, including democracy, see [29]. You can not vote after the consensus was reached [30]. You had the whole day to vote, you even knew about the vote but instead of opposing you decided to come here and post about it? next time oppose it if you really want to.

Also stop removing my comments from your talk page Jidan [31] [32] (and again [33]) - its not considered ethical. --Kash 23:15, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

yet again.. [34], I give up --Kash 18:38, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

You have accused me with vandalism[35] and that is a violition of good faith. Also I dont think InShanee likes it when his talk pages is turned into a chat page for other users. If you have anything concerning me, then please post it in my talk page. Jidan 18:56, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
Alright, first of all, Kash, Jidan is right. Don't respond to other user's comments on my talk page. I'm trying to talk to him about something here; if you have something to say to him, say it on his talk page. Secondly, Kash, just because you don't agree with someone else's actions does not mean that they are automatically violating some policy; rampant accusations without a strong base can be seen as an incivil attempt to intimidate other users. Jidan, Kash is right that it is not considered good ettiquette to simply remove comments from your talk page shortly after they are posted; archive them if you really must. Kash, wikipedia is NOT a democracy. There is no such thing as a binding vote here. If a 'straw poll' was taken, but a user was not there to put in his two cents, that does not mean you can ignore his point when he gets there. Consensus means working together with ALL users, regardless of how they think OR when they show up. --InShaneee 20:10, 5 April 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Personal Attacks

Dear InShaneee, Thank you for your meassge on my talk page. The instance that you mentioned can hardly be interpreted as a personal attack, and that was most certainly not my intention. In any case, since he was directly neglecting clear evidence offered to him, I had only two choices: First, to assume he is not interested in reading them, and second, that he indeed read them but does not understand them completely. Since the first one would be a violation of the good faith principle, I could only conclude that he is unable, or unexperienced, with making judgements based on articles and books that he reads. Shervink 12:41, 5 April 2006 (UTC)shervink

What do you expect me to do? The person you are talking about is himself a violator of just about every wikipedia policy you could think of. I still don't think what I said was a personal attack. But a discussion cannot go on if one side has already made up his/her mind not to listen to the other, and Aucaman has never, never, never listened to anything anybody says. His only major contribution to wikipedia is stubbornness, leading to a large number of edit wars and conflicts created because of his attitutde. You should warn him, not me. Shervink 07:47, 6 April 2006 (UTC)shervink
Hello again. I do understand your concern and I truly appreciate it. However, I am not convinced that what I said was in any way an insult, or attack, or whatever. It was not meant as such. It was rather meant to make Aucaman at least consider what most other people were telling him, rather than rejecting everything he/she is offered. The true incivility here, if any, is in his/her unproductive way of discussion, which has wasted tens of hours of my time so far, and many more of others'. I have not acted in an incivil manner, although if my words created such a misunderstanding I'm sorry about it. However, I really think that you are warning the wrong person here. Shervink 08:05, 7 April 2006 (UTC)shervink


[edit] Ibn haithem Image

The Image I posted in Alhazen is a scan of a 10000 Iraqi dinnar note, currently in use in Iraq. Do I need a special copyright for that? BTW: Thanks for your help in List of Arab scientists and scholars. Jidan 01:35, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank You! Jidan 01:50, 6 April 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Please help

Hi InShaneee,

Can you please warn Ldingley (talk · contribs) about personal attacks? (example) I asked him to stop and he simply denied that he was making them. Thanks. --Khoikhoi 04:31, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate it. --Khoikhoi 01:01, 7 April 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Again

250 just posted this on my talk page. It's rather disturbing, especially this statement: "Answer me this are you an Israeli citizen too? I think you are on an agenda. All your edits against Iranians (from Kurds to Persians,etc.) since Iran is seen as the biggest threat to Israel and all your other edits in the Arab fields. Also trying being a force in tension between Arab and Iranian and Turkish editors. All at the benefit of Israel." I'm tired of seeing these kind of statements on my talk page. Could you do something about this? AucamanTalk 02:38, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Naw, no hard feelings about you. I have my periods of whining. But this guy really doesn't leave me alone. He thinks he's here to save the world and that I'm here to destroy it. He doesn't even appear to be reading my statements correctly. Hopefully he would stop after this. Thanks for the help. AucamanTalk 03:02, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
I just saw this. I only read the first sentence, but you probably need to tell him about this too. AucamanTalk 03:29, 7 April 2006 (UTC)


[edit] User:ManiF

Dear InShaneee,

I want to report the fanatical patriotism behaviour of a user User:ManiF. The following are only recent examples.

Geber, although he was born in Iran(part of the arab empire at that time), his ethnicity is with most certainity arab: Columbia Encyclopedia , Ancients & Alchemists , Britannica Encyclopedia, Encarta Encyclopedia .

In the articles, where his ethnicity is not important, In good faith I removed info regarding his arab ethnicity, but this user inserted "Iranian-born" infront of his name to make the impression that he was Iranian.


If I am wrong on this than please let me know. If not, then I ask you please to do what ever in your hands is to stop the fanatical patritiosm of this user, which is a threat to the success and credibality of Wikipedia.

Thank You. Jidan 10:51, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

There is no substance to this "complaint". Whatever I have done has been in conformity with Wikipedia rules and regulations. User:Jidan is the one who is breaking wikipedia rules regularly (3RR, sockpuppetry, false accusations, personal attacks as above), and the one who originally removed the term "Iranian-born" from those articles despite the fact that Gaber, regardless of his Arab [or Persian] ethenicty which is itself disputed by contradictory sources [36], was infact Iranian-born, born in the city of Tus, according to all the sources. I just restored the term. --ManiF 12:01, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
Im sorry InShaneee, but my english is not that good to describe it with another word. Thank you for taking the time. Jidan 19:44, 7 April 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Can you tell me more about "sneaky vandalism"

There is a line on the vandalism page about sneaky vandalism, can you tell me more about that specific topic? (Deng 21:13, 7 April 2006 (UTC))

Ok thanks for you reply but I want much more tell me everything :D , for example would removeing sections of an article over time to such an extent that the article changes completely from what it orginally was be sneaky vandalism? (Deng 21:22, 7 April 2006 (UTC))
Wow fast replies, lets say I change specific facts like how many floors a building has in an article that have been sourced because I believe they are wrong and If I keep on doing this in articles where those psecific items have been sourced, or remove things that I dont really like but have been sourced and does shine a light on intresting ideas, is that sneaky vandalism? (Deng 21:29, 7 April 2006 (UTC))
Ok then I would like to report this person for sneaky vandalism 213.243.185.219 (talk · contribs) who is Kurt Leyman (talk · contribs) in the battle of kursk he altred the numbers without any source, in the battle of berlin he altered the numbers without any source, in the Battle of Greece he altered the numbers without any source in the Italian war in Soviet Union, 1941-1943 he altered the numbers without any source, in the winter war he delted relevant information see the talk page, in the Battle of Suomussalmi he altered the numbers without any source, he has often done this in many articles these are just a few. How and where do I report him? (Deng 22:08, 7 April 2006 (UTC))
Simple edit war between these two, accompanied by numerous personal attacks from deng. DMorpheus 00:24, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
This is sneaky vandalism there are no two ways about it. If one is to follow what you (Inshaneee) have said then this is sneaky vandalism, there is nothing simple about it. If you look at the articles and look at the eidts you will see that it is sneaky vandalism also DMorpheus (talk · contribs) withholds the fact that all my edits have been to revert Kurts sneaky vandalism just as it says on the vandalism page; if you see vandalism revert it, so I have only follwed the instructions but Kurt continues with his sneaky vandalism and therfore the number of edits has grown. Because Kurt has not done one or two acts of sneaky vandalism he has done numerous(Deng 09:34, 8 April 2006 (UTC))


[edit] User:Ahwaz

Sorry to bother you again. I made two edits to the article Anti-Arabism, not removing or rephrasing anything, just inserting a tag asking for a citation for two claims, while fully explaining my legitimate concerns in edit summaries. [37] [38] Then User:Ahwaz comes and reverts my edits saying "ManiF is just trolling - ignore him". I really don't know what to do about these personal attacks and accusations. --ManiF 17:43, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

ManiF: Whatever I edit, wherever I edit, you come following along and put in tags or delete my words - even in articles you have never been interested in before. It is harassment. You are just here to bully people off Wikipedia. You don't use talk, you have deleted what I write on your talk page because you don't want a discussion and you enforce everything unilaterally.
Yes, whinge about it to InShaneee. He'll ban me and you'll get your way again. It is pathetic.
What I wrote was sourced and NPOV - you can't argue that. I put both sides of the argument. But you do argue. You and your gang are there to revert everything I and others write. What is the matter with you?--Ahwaz 17:48, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
I've been involved on the Anti-Arabism article since March 19th [39]. You have no right to call my edits "vandalising and trolling". [40], you are in breach of both WP:FAITH and WP:Civil. --ManiF 18:06, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
Oh yes, you replaced one word and you littered the entire article with tags. Let's face it, you want the article deleted. You have nothing constructive to add.--Ahwaz 18:09, 8 April 2006 (UTC)


[edit] User:Ahwaz

Sorry to interfere, but may I ask which specific statements User:Ahwaz was blocked for so I can talk to him about it? AucamanTalk 21:47, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't see the discussion above. Thanks for your reply. AucamanTalk 21:58, 8 April 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Lukas

I would like to point out that I believe such comments as [41] are very rude and do not comply with the WP:Civil and WP:NPOV policy as the user has taken a special POV against a group of users who he has called many different names such as 'ManiF and friends', 'Iranian editors', 'monolithic Iranian national POV', etc.

The WP:Civility states that ill-considered accusations, rudeness, ethnically-classifying users and the rest are certainly not appreciated on Wikipedia. Lukas knows about these and I was warned by yourself for accusing him of simialr accusations which you considered as 'personal attack' and threatened me to get me blocked but now you back up his accusations and say his concerns are valid?! Thats definately taking a certain POV which will not be helpful in this situation.

I personally would appreciate it if you do not back up such claims. I am sick of being tagged different things. If the user has any concern about anyone he has to go through the certain stages to show it but such repeated behaviour and name callings will not help the situation. - K a s h Talk | email 10:47, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't understand why you are taking sides? When was the last time I did any "personal attacks" and acted "incivil"?! Thats right, before I learnt about those policies. He is doing exactly what I had done which you wanted to get me blocked for, yet you are taking his side for doing such things now?! I find it extremely amusing again (thats two extremely amusing things I have seen in one minute!)

I ask you to remain WP:Civil and do not take sides on such matters. - K a s h Talk | email 19:30, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Also please refrain from using such tones as "And for the last time, please, don't respond to other user's comments on my talk page"

You had never told me about this wish of yours before, but now I will consider it. -- - K a s h Talk | email 19:33, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

I presented them to you because you were involved and I believe you are more than capable to handle the situation, but it looks like you are not willing to take a look at it -- - K a s h Talk | email 19:40, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
Hopefully I won't have to warn you about accusations such as "considering your wide catalouge of personal attacks and incivility" thats offensive to me as I have been trying my best to be as polite as possible and follow all policies of Wikipedia for the last few weeks. -- - K a s h Talk | email 19:42, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
Well it must be no news to you that the articles involving Iran (my interest) are quite controversial. If you think I have made any mistakes do let me know! after all it wont be the first time :) -- - K a s h Talk | email 19:51, 10 April 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Again

I just thought I show you this. Another case of harassment by this user. It looks to me like he doesn't care about the blocks. AucamanTalk 16:56, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

I think we should assume good faith here, the user may just be curious? -- - K a s h Talk | email 18:04, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
It's not any of his business, and this isn't the first time he's been told that. I've blocked him for one week. --InShaneee 19:22, 10 April 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Responce

That is so amusing. "Aucaman please leave discredited racist ideologies out of wikipedia" is calling someone racist? if so please pick up a gun and shoot me! :)

Also please don't accuse me of "wide range of personal attacks" since when? The last time you accused me of this I posted it on the incidents board and you stoped doing so. -- - K a s h Talk | email 19:24, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Also he is vandalizing the pages - he is not even using the talk and he keeps removing the info. -- - K a s h Talk | email 19:26, 10 April 2006 (UTC)


[edit] User:Zora

Could you please remind the user, again, not to discuss what she perceives as my background, making inflammatory comments "reminding me of my Arab heritage", knowing very well that I'm neither Arab nor speak Arabic. --ManiF 21:51, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

ManiF is deliberately misunderstanding or misrepresenting. He has been notable for asserting that there was no intermarriage between Arabs and Persians, Arabic influence on the Persian language was minor, there was no influence of Arabic culture or custom on Persians, etc. He seems to be dedicated to asserting his Persian purity, free of an Arabic influence. I was reminding him that there IS a great deal of evidence for influence -- both ways. That is not a personal attack -- unless he is so Arabophobic that he considers being told he has an Arab heritage as a personal attack.
You are not being impartial, Inshaneee. Zora 23:10, 10 April 2006 (UTC)


[edit] User:Kashk

He has now posted two more messages on my talk page. One is accusing me of vandalism again. The other is accusing me of incivility for reporting him to you! Please also note his language, constantly telling me to "be WP:CIVIL" and threatening me with blocks.

These are all clear cases of harassment and unjustified attacks. He keeps posting nonsense on my talk page even though I've told them many times to leave me alone. Are you going to do something about this? AucamanTalk 23:06, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Above user has stalked me once again to another article [42] [43], reverting me when he has not even been involved there or in the discussion, nor did he bother to look at the talk before making such an edit, as I have made extensive comments regarding the NPOV problem at that article. SouthernComfort 23:19, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
He has also been removing sourced material once again [44] [45] as well as attempting to inject virulently racist and widely discredited racial theories into the article [46] [47] [48] which allege, just as Nazi ideologues did, that Aryans were "Nordic." Also similar edit warring immediately afterwards [49] [50]. All this without even bothering to check the talk and listen to what others are saying. This behavior must stop. SouthernComfort 00:08, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

this is your page?


[edit] Zora discussion

Shane, thanks for your comments. Reading over the discussion again, it now strikes me that you and possibly ManiF himself and others may have been misreading Zora's statement in the first place. The way I read it, the sentence "You may not LIKE to be reminded of your Arab heritage (language, religion, possible/probabal intermarriage) but you shouldn't censor it." wasn't intended to "attack" ManiF on the basis of his nationality at all. She wasn't saying he personally was an Arab. (Everybody involved here knows he isn't.) As I read it, she was just talking on the basis of the common knowledge here that ManiF is an Iranian, but was stating that Iranians collectively have some Arabic cultural heritage. To me, that's in no way an ad hominem statement but one about exactly the content in question. - Did you read the passage differently? As for the rest, a sentence of the form "You may not like X, but you shouldn't censor it", when talking with a person erasing evidence for X from articles, is certainly not abusive of overly personal, is it? Lukas (T.|@) 05:16, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

It is still offensive to tell someone about what their ancestry/ethnicity consists of. For example, telling a Turkish person that they "may not like to be reminded of their Greek heritage". This offends Turks, and I think what Zora was trying to say shouldn't have been phrased in a manner so personal. --Khoikhoi 06:58, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, but I strongly disagree. Wikipedia would not be a place I'd like to be if I had to censor myself or see others censored in matters of this kind. I've been involved with moderating difficult nationally motivated POV disputes in Wikipedia a lot, and outside of it for a much longer time too, so I think I know what I'm talking about. I couldn't do what I do if I wasn't allowed to call a spade a spade. Lukas (T.|@) 22:52, 11 April 2006 (UTC)


[edit] User:Miskin

Me again... Sorry, I know it's ironic for me to come back to you so shortly after telling you not to over-police NPA rules, but we seem to be having a real NPA problem over among the Greek editors now. User:Miskin (who you warned recently for attacks against User:Pmanderson) has adopted an attitude of definite enmity, even hate, against User:Macrakis, one of the most valuable of our editors on Greece-related topics. He dislikes his edits for not being nationally-minded enough, and he also bears him a grudge for unnecessarily reporting him for 3RR once ([51]). His reactions against this have included slurs against Macrakis' "manliness" ([52], transl.: "... Really, he has no God. Look at some men who wear trousers."), and open declarations of himself as an "enemy" ([53] Transl.: "Hey you there, aren't you even a bit ashamed?" - "Look who's going to give me ethics lessons" - "You failed in your attempt to trap me, Macrakis. How do you feel now that you've acquired an enemy?"). Now this is spilling over into the talk page of a nationally sensitive topic (Arvanites), where they aren't even having a content disagreement, out of sheer spite apparently ("I wouldn't expect much of a person who has 'PHD blah blah blah' bolted on his talk-page. You don't need to be Sigmund Freud to tell things about people's psychological problems." I've asked Miskin to apologize, but I expect he'll be defiant as in previous cases, he has a rather persistent history of such attacks. Macrakis' reaction has so far been of gentlemanlike restraint, but I feel his patience shouldn't be taxed further. Lukas (T.|@) 08:57, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't know about your own definition of a personal attack Lukas, but to me edits like this [54] are extremely insulting. Macrakis has been literally stalking me (via the edit contributions) and has provoked me on several occasions. He's been making such comments behind my back and has even tried to get me blocked. He recently reported me for a supposed 3RR-violation on an article which had nothing to do with him, had no actual edit-war going on, and was not even a clear violation. He almost admitted that he did it only to get my blocked, not because it would serve wikipedia in any way. How do you expect me to be in good terms with an editor who simply wants me out of the picture? If there was a possible way to somehow stay out of contacts with him (as in 1000 metres distance), I would do it. I have never had an interest in his contributions, it's him who has been stalking mine. It's really sad to see that you Lukas, are biasedly inclined towards the side of Macrakis. I don't know how you judge an editor's "value" in order to call Macrakis "one of the most valuable editors on Greece-related topics". I'm not an editor who focuses on Greece-related topics, but even in the most irrelevant topics, Macrakis has been there to stalk me. I don't consider my greek messages to Macrakis as personal attacks and I don't know how a personal attack is measured by you. What I do know, is that I have frequently received offence as an individual and as an ethnic Greek by Macrakis' name-calling "nationalist etc" and degrading implications towards what he regards as "average Greek". I don't like to be criticized according to my ethnic origin, and being called a nationalist by someone who has no idea about my life, I find it extremely offensive. I don't want to take this matter any further, it's Easter and there's many better things to do. I'll just stay clear of him, provided that he doesn't provoke, stalk, or offend me. Miskin 10:30, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Having said that, I feel it's my patience that is being taxed, not the one of Macrakis. I removed the offensive part of the edit in order to end this debate (although the implications against me and racial slurs against the Greeks remain). As I said, I want to have nothing to do with Macrakis from now on. Let's see what happens. Miskin 11:17, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

And by the way, yes Lukas, it is ironic that you're now asking for InShaneee's help, it even looks suspicious. As for my being warned already on personal attacks, that is not true. InShaneee's notice was on something that was not a personal attack, I checked this with other administrators before removing the warning from my talk page. Miskin 11:57, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Albanau continues to consider that the usage of such insulting terminology is actually appropriate in wikipedia, yet the only who attracts attention is me. I've removed my only offensive edit and I regard the matter closed, provided that name-calling towards individuals or ethnic groups will be regarded as a violation of NPA as it should. If Lukas thinks that I have an NPA record (regarding my greek msgs) then I'm willing to proceed with RFC and ask for a consensus. Miskin 13:42, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't know how much of my words will be taken into consideration since I am an anon but I am writing this just to leave a record. My feelings of User Miskin is he/she seems to be putting his ego in front of the of good of the project. On the Greeks article I put up facts with sources and I was reverted by him/her; thankfully user EL_C took care of it. On the Chrysostomos of Smyrna, the article was just Greek POV and contained other POvish adjectives so without changing much I tried to make it NPOV, once again he reverted my edits saying they were "POV". I find dealing with this user displeasant, uncompromising and unfruitful. For what's its worth. Regards.

You've been edit-warring in many different articles and have bothered many editors (see Battle of Manzikert. Some of your edits are removing contributions made by people who have actually spent part of their time on research. You are removing sourced information (even when the source is provided on the spot) and now you have the nerve to say that I'm making biased edits. I am a persistant editor, when I know that something is sourced correct, I will never give in to POV-pushing. This apparently bothers some people but unlike them, I have read WP:POLICIES and know better how wikipedia works. How about yourself? You got recently blocked under 3RR by InShanneee, and it seems that your behaviour hasn't changed a bit. I'm not going to let you destroy within seconds the quality of articles or sections that I've worked hard to compile. At this point you have two choices:

  • Register a username and take this to mediation, RFC or ArbCom
  • Remain anon, never participate in discussion, ignore consensus, WP:POLICIES etc.

I'm well familiar with anons of your type, they don't want to register a username in order to make extended POV-pushing that won't get caught in their edit-history. You are the living proof of why unregistered users should be banned from wikipedia. Miskin 13:39, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh and stop trying to pretend that an admin gave you support, there are always edit-histories to verify such claims. Your initial edits were vandalizing the article's head by adding irrelevant information, EL_C reverted to a different user's version, which changed only population figures of an infobox and did not add POV to the article's head. Miskin 13:39, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Furthermore this anon has never participated in a discussion before making large-scale edits, and what in his own mind is a POV, has been previously sourced on various different occasions. He doesn't even take the time to discuss about the edits he puts into question, he simply edit-wars what he doesn't like. He makes weasel edits by lying on the edit-history about the nature of the edit and doesn't have any respect for consensus. The worst thing of all is that he's constantly changing his IP and makes it difficult for administrators and editors alike to track his history. InShanneee his the anon you recently blocked on 3RR (I don't know which article, he was edit-warring on plenty). I regard his editing behaviour as the worst type of vandalism. Miskin 13:39, 16 April 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Aucaman

I warned you not to use that tone with me. I fear that you have started to threaten me again which is not good. Stop now.

Instead of coming to my talk page to tell me what someone else should or should not be doing, look in to the issue. He had posted wrong accusations of me which had obviously an effect on your behaviour toward me, now on his behalf this is against WP:Civil and for you to harass me is again is also not very ethical, I warn you again to stay Civil, don't talk down to me just because of your status here and try to resolve issues instead of threatening me. -- - K a s h Talk | email 22:23, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh and by the way I have every right to warn users against vandalising Wikipedia, the user obviously didn't know what vandalism means as he repeatedly removed information from it (Detail was posted above by SouthernComfort I believe), you should also enforce him not to do such thing instead of coming to talk page to threaten me. -- - K a s h Talk | email 22:26, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
I was not responding to him! I was reporting him to you. -- - K a s h Talk | email 00:32, 14 April 2006 (UTC)


[edit] "AN:I Fake Incident Reporter"?

What's that? Шизомби 18:36, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

That is weird, thanks. Шизомби 18:40, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

For the record, the anon you just blocked for 3RR is also edit-warring with a secondary IP, namely User:85.97.177.39. He has been edit-warring under those two IP's in several different articles for two days now. I don't know what happens in this case like this, and whether 3RR applies in such blatant cases of sockpuppeting. Miskin 20:00, 13 April 2006 (UTC)


[edit] User:Kashk

Now he's saying I'm pushing POV. Is this okay? AucamanTalk 20:28, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm questioning the accuracy of the sources. They have already agreed that the statement has been mis-sourced. Now I'm questioning the accuracy of the source and instead of answering the question they say I'm "pushing POV". There are also two other users who share my concerns: User:Tombseye and User:Zora. I don't really know what "POV" I'm pushing if I'm just challenging the accuracy of a article. So you're saying it's okay to say the person who disagrees with you is pushing POV? AucamanTalk 20:50, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
Okay sorry for bothering you. I just thought it was inappropriate for him to respond to my question with a statement saying I'm pushing POV and so I should be ignored. This is not the first time he's made this statement and obviously he has no plans to "ignore" me. It just disrupts the talks. AucamanTalk 21:00, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

ACUMAN IS A PHONEY GO READ THE TALK PAGES. THIS GUY IS FULL OF IT.


[edit] User:Aucaman

After spending all the last month on this 'Aryan' issue, he keeps telling the contributers that we have to answer his questions [55] [56] [57] (etc etc), which although we have tried to 'answer his questions', many of which in my opinion are not related to the article, it is becoming increasingly time-consuming and the last 'question' he wanted answering was just strange, on the Persian people talk page (Link: Talk:Persian_people#Mohammad_Mossadeq) he is asking whether Mohammad Mossadeq is a Persian. Now to me that looks like it is against WP:Point policy as he has gone from asking us questions (related to the article and in particulary one sentence and most probably just one word [Aryan], that has been discussed nearly everyday for the last month and a half and we have formed a mediation and a RfC for it, yet he keeps on bringing it up) stage to something that it shouldn't.

What do you think? Is there a limit to how much disruption one POV can take? Are there any solutions? His ArbCom case recently put him on a revert parol here, however I am not sure what to do now. -- - K a s h Talk | email 23:23, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Actually..He is being very rude too.. "I'm asking a question and you're dancing around it." in the first edit posted above ([58]).. He doesn't seem to care much about the answers as long as he can disrupt our lives and I am not even exaggerating here. I don't think article's talk pages are the best place to "find what people think" about different facts, which Aucaman has suggested above, after all that is not what talk pages are there for. I would remind him of such things on his talk page but I am afraid its best to leave it to you since you have asked me not to do so. -- - K a s h Talk | email 23:25, 13 April 2006 (UTC)


[edit] RV KOF Merge?

Why were my KOF Merge Requests Reverted? --ReptileLawyer 04:46, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

(If I should've responded on my talk page I'm sorry) The problem I see is I was told not to use the Prod, instead I was told I should've merged. Is it necessary to have 30+ pages related to one video game? So I tried adding merges and then it gets reverted. So this can't be discussed at all? --ReptileLawyer 04:51, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
You mentioned there was a lot of information, other TV shows etc. have a character list or subpages for listing characters. Why do all of these characters deserve their own page. Couldn't one merge them into a single KOF character page? I don't see why we have to repeat the instruction here, we're not even including moves. --ReptileLawyer 04:56, 14 April 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Personal attacks

No good news. More of the same. AucamanTalk 05:37, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

This guy just copy-pasted two more messages on my talk page. Sounds like 250. AucamanTalk 05:56, 14 April 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Aucaman

This user has started his unreasonable reverts again such as this:

He put "rv - as per talk. No explanation was given for the last revert." in the edit summary.

If he had indeed read the talk, he would have seen my posts indicating why it was reverted. He is on a revert parol so I think this is not going too well if he starts abusing this function -- - K a s h Talk | email 10:37, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

He has also repeated his un-related question again on the talk page of the Persians people, which I reported to you last night. [59] Right under the old question. This has nothing to do with the article as he is not mentioned in it, and Mossadegh has his own article so there is no reason why he would post this 'question' there again! even after being told its not related by both me and User:Gol several times. The only reason he has given us for asking this question is "I just want to know what people think." Please remind him that Wikipedia talk pages are for discussions on the matter of the article, as he clearly doesn't listen to me and others - K a s h Talk | email 10:45, 14 April 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Kash Again

User:Robdurbar has asked this question on Talk:Persian Gulf. The question was sitting there for 4 hours and Kash didn't seem to care. I answer the question and in less than 5 minutes Kash posts a response between User:Robdurbar question and my short answer. Then it appeared as if I was answering Kash's question. I move my answer under User:Robdurbar's question and explained that I had answered the question first and that Kash's answer should just go under my answer. Kash just reverts my answer back to the bottom. Could you just tell him to leave my posts alone? Let me remind you that this is the same guy who has once blanked a whole talk page. AucamanTalk 12:18, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

It's perfectly natural for people to ask if a person (or a smaller ethnic group) belongs to an ethnic group in order to understand that ethnic group better, especially when the definitions are disputed. You can see examples almost every page you go to. [60][61][62][63][64][65][66]
I don't know why you're bother to ask me about this. Kash doesn't want to answer the question because he doesn't know the answer or he doesn't want to tell. In any case unrelated questions are constantly posted on various talk pages. People usually just ignore them. Cluttering them with unhelpful messages only makes the situation worse. AucamanTalk 20:32, 14 April 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Talk:Persian Gulf

The question he replied to said "So would i be correct in understanding that, embolidng aside, everyone would be happy.." and he had replied that "Sure" meaning everyone would be happy with that decision, so his reply was invalid in the first place. So I put my decision as in answer to that question, below it. Yet he chose to 'screw' as you put it, with my comment here, what you called as 'screw'-ing was a revert of his action.

In any case, I have reported many 'screw'-ings of his, please look in to them all especially his revert behaviour - K a s h Talk | email 22:00, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't know what to say really. It's not against the Wikipedia policy or anything and the matter just seems silly, his comment was invalid and he removed it later on as it was not true, so whether I had posted it above or below it, it wouldn't have mattered.

But since you are the boss and it looks like it takes more than following the Wikipedia's policy to please you, sure InShaneee. I will not do it again, now do look up on the revert issue I mentioned to you please. -- - K a s h Talk | email 22:56, 14 April 2006 (UTC)


[edit] ok

Have you ever thaught to make yourself an archive? I think it's time to do it. I see no spam in helping a contributor. StabiloBoss 22:25, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

People very easy forget...but we'll see how it will work. It's funny that instead of stimulating people to write they are stimulated to leave...--StabiloBoss 22:32, 14 April 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Personal attack

Hey, I am kinda shocked by this message posted on Iran's talk page here. It is in Persian but it is all toward me and it looks pretty serious, is there anything I can do? -- - K a s h Talk | email 23:32, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

I will email you the translation if thats OK. You can get it confirmed if necessary with any of the Iranian editors -- - K a s h Talk | email 23:36, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
Sent -- - K a s h Talk | email 23:44, 14 April 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Can you ban this user, please?

I've sought help on several vandalism pages, but none are any help. I posted the following message on the AIAV page, but the post was removed simply because the vandal had not vandalised too recently. What bothers me is that it seems we have to be on a vandal's back tracking the vandal's every movement just so we can report them right after they've vandalised Wikipedia. Feel free to look into his edits, and you'll see the vandalism. What I hate is that Wikipedia makes it unusually easy for vandals to vandalise, but so hard for vandals to be banned. Thank you! Stiles 06:18, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Vik Vah (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log) This member has repeatedly vandalised Wikipedia, even after being warned. I have warned him four times, and never once did he defend his actions, let alone discontinue vandalising. In almost every article he vandalised, he, along with someone else who seems to be a partner-in-crime, mentions a non-existant rapper by the name of Sheesh Hots. For the record, there is no such rapper, so why is he being mentioned? On many occasions, Vik Vah and his partners (if they are not all the same person) talk about how this Sheesh Hots has a relationship of some sort to the person the article is about. Again, how is it possible to have a relationship with someone who does not exist? This is blatant vandalism, and it is clear that it is easier for vandals to vandalise, than for a concerned Wikipedia member to do something about it. I kindly ask that Administrators look into this and immediately ban Vik Vah permanently, because a warning, I promise, will not deter him. Stiles 19:36, 14 April 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Re

Hello InShaneee.I apologize if i did something incivil and please show it for me due to I will be able to more carefull next time.Thanks. --Karaman 20:28, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks.I'll try to be more carefull next time.I wish this[67] is going to be warned or punished as well.Sincerely. --Karaman 20:36, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Evidence at compromise

Dear InShaneee, please go here, and see if it warrants a comment by you. I contact you because you were the admin who blocked for a few minutes due to a misunderstanding about Wikistalking; yet, as you recall once unblocked, I did take your advice to heart, and not only I stayed away from edit-warring, but also I intervened and compromised with many editors, causing cease to some revert wars, like the one in the Persian Gulf article. I don’t want to be topically banned, rather banned only from editing two articles, which is the committee’s alternate decision. Your comments may help; I`d be grateful. Thank youZmmz 02:58, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Do you want to present evidence against Diyako (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log)/Xebat (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log), or should I do it?Zmmz 19:57, 17 April 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Trolling

In respect to my earlier statements on both Macrakis' behaviour and the recent edit-warring by some troublemaking anon. user, I will link to you Talk:Battle of Manzikert to back up my previous points:

  • Notice Macrakis' provoking and trolling behaviour: Stalks my edit history, follows me around, finds a source that could be used against me, ignores the ongoing discussion which proves the non-credible nature of some contemporary sources and starts a new section using one of those.
  • The anon. user that you recently blocked under 3RR, who despite his frequent change in IP address, he refuses to sign in a username and avoids leaving an edit-history. I'm almost certain that he's a sockpuppet of someone, and I already have some people in mind. Eventhough he hardly changed my edits, he managed to compile an entire paragraph of accusations against me.

Hence we have two blatant examples of trolling. First by Macrakis, whose failure to comprehend the ongoing discussion and insist on presenting non-credible sources,proves his provoking and stalking attitude against me; secondly the anon's trolling, rv-warring on several different articles and constant refusal to register an ID. In my opinion wikipedia cannot profit by such immature behaviour. I'll leave it to your judgement and wait for your reply. Miskin 16:59, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

I would also like to point out the following personal attack [68]. Despite all my efforts to solve content-disputes in the most civilized way, some editors just can't keep themselves from delivering racial or ethnic insults which violate NPA policy [69]. Miskin 17:19, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] X-band

Hey thanks for the heads up on the Xband article, I added it to my watchlist, it's really been cleaned up since it's first incarseration and I would hate to see it fall back again Deathawk 20:52, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Adminship

I don't know whether you're one of the users who tries to avoid taking on adminship, but if you want to become an administrator, I've nominated you. The RfA is at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/InShaneee. If you want to accept, you should accept there, and then add it to the RfA page.. Hedley 23:55, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The Flatheads

I believe you are mistaken. Encyclopedia Frobizica has exteremly complete entries on each of the articles that I am creating and the majority of them have some relevance to gameplay. This is analogous to the articles on each and every King of Gondor or Arnor in Lord of the Rings. Savidan 03:16, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] you deserve it!

I award you the "what's-missing-in-the picture? non barnstar"!-- ( drini's page ☎ ) 04:57, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
I award you the "what's-missing-in-the picture? non barnstar"!-- ( drini's page ☎ ) 04:57, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for your advice

Hi, Dear Inshaneee, You are right, I promise never tell it to nobody again. (I learned it from another wikipedia but 'now' I find it a bad wording). I'm trying to change my wordings that are considered by you as bad. I want to be a more better user. I should learn more about wikipedia policy. Diyako Talk + 22:32, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Music

Well, I listen to a wide variety of groups, but some of my favorite synthpop groups are Depeche Mode, Human League, New Order, Soft Cell, and lesser known groups like Empire State Human, Wave in Head, Joy Electric, VNV Nation, Assemblage 23, Felix da Housecat (technically "electroclash"), Celluloide, Tear Garden (not technically synthpop, but close). Lots of other groups, mostly obscure ones from France and Germany. As for industrial, which I used to be very much into (particularly the more abrasive underground acts) but not as much anymore, mostly mainstream stuff now like Skinny Puppy, KMFDM, even Nine Inch Nails, which are more electro-oriented. Do you listen to this sort of music as well? Thank you again for your help, by the way. SouthernComfort 13:48, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Music

So you've worked as a radio producer as well? That's pretty cool - always wanted to do something like that during my undergrad years, especially since Pump Up The Volume was (is) one of my favorite films. Yes, "Playing The Angel" is excellent - my favorite tracks are "Nothing's Impossible" and "Suffer Well" (as well as "Free"). I think I like this one better than even Ultra, though I haven't decided yet. ;) You should track down the remixes bootleg if you haven't already - some of the tracks are even better than the album versions, IMHO. As for "With Teeth" I think it's overall it's very good, but the only track I ever listen to very often is "Right Where It Belongs." I still prefer "Downward Spiral" (which I'm not sure he can ever top) and "The Fragile." I think I'm just more in tune with the pretentious and melancholy, brooding side of things. ;) SouthernComfort 10:15, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your aditude!

Man, you have a temper, cool it. Watch you block me for saying this... MAN!

[edit] List of Arab scientists and scholars

Hi InShaneee, your neutral stance is needed here: List of Arab scientists and scholars. The Iranian editors have moved this to List of Muslim scientists and scholars, although they have themselves a List of Iranian scientists and scholars, which contains many non-Iranians scholars, which actually doesn't bother me. Thank You! Jidan 13:53, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Islamic Conquest of Persia

I appreciate your friendly early warnings. For all my edits, I have provided discussions and edits on the Talk page. The Iranian editor (Zmmz) has almost accepted the changes provided that it is written in a neutal language, which I accepted. Heja Helweda 02:27, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RFA Support

Hi, as you know, my RFA passed (56/1/1). I would like to personally thank you for supporting me. I am not doing a mass thank you post, but I thought your comment was funny, so I wanted to drop you a quick note.--Adam (talk) 20:41, 7 April 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Greg Lindahl bio removed.

Hello! You removed the bio for Greg Lindahl. I think Greg Lindahl merits a bio; I would be happy to rewrite the page using the standard bio format, and make it more informative and factual. I can't find reference to why the page was deleted, so I hope you will do me the favor of replying.

Thank you!

Wendy Wendy 02:50, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I am allowed to ask an editor about themselves

I am allowed to ask an editor about themselves. So I will. 69.196.139.250 04:18, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User:Kashk

This user has started calling me racist again. Let me remind you that this is not the first time he's doing this. He also keeps accusing me of vandalism.[70][71] AucamanTalk 05:31, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Admins willing to make difficult blocks

Thanks, Shane, I appreciate that. I also hope Gator is the last one this happens to. Lots of people would have gladly made that block for him to avoid this happening, so hopefully this list will be of help in that way. Thanks for adding your name. :-) SlimVirgin (talk) 20:01, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Comma

LOL, I think I got that from a "math for preschoolers" game that I had when I was a kid. :p --Khoikhoi 20:10, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User:SouthernComfort

I just wanted to draw your attention to the following comments: [72][73] AucamanTalk 09:37, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I need advice

Hi! I'm new here and I was wondering can I vote here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/Today? Could you answer with simple words, I am not very good at English. :) --Alfred Dengan 16:13, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikistalking

The point was that he keeps dropping unnecessary "responces" to my arguments in talk pages saying he's not here to "teach me" and that he doesn't want to answer my questions (although he constantly responds to them). He has also been following me around posting responses within minutes of me posting them. The best example is his clueless response here in article he's never shown interest in. AucamanTalk 00:21, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] False accusations

The latest accusation of this user against me is that I am wiki-stalking him (posted above). How many false accusations does he have to try against me before it is against WP:Civil? - K a s h Talk | email 00:26, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Yet more accusations

He moved my answer, and then he is posting here that I shoud leave his posts alone! This is hypocracy. My reply was to another user's question and not to what Aucaman said, yet he moved it here.

And now he posted here that "once blanked a talk page"..All I did was to archive the page and this was perhaps a week or two after I joined wikipedia! I had no idea about such rules back then, to bring this up again is just hilarious! Let's not 'remind eachother' of anything, his block history speaks for its self. - K a s h Talk | email 12:54, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dearest InShaneee

I appreciate your informing me of WP:NPA but I can't for the life of me understand why. Please do me the favor of pointing out where exactly in my meager contributions I have transgressed. Cheers. -66.92.130.57 04:16, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Possible incivility by another user

InShaneee, I’m sorry but frequent incivilties like this by user Zora, is not fair to me[74]. This is in regards to this edit[75], and this section[76]. Please also see if the article, according to the diffs provided, does indeed need to be written in a more neutral language.Zmmz 22:23, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User:Acuman

This user should be banned. He has made derogatory comments, intentional fabricated controversial and untrue material into articles, and deliberately disturbed both order and balance in the Wiki-community. He has been in numerous exchanges with other users. User:Acuman also applies double standards he says one thing for others and sees himself above what he demands and ascribes to other editors. He has upset the following articles in a long list of articles tied to Iran; Kurds, Kurdistan, Persian Gulf, Persians, Iran, Iranian peoples. The editors he has allies himself with are also irrational and uncompromising racists or bigots. I demand he be disciplined. I have seen the list of controversial and flat our provocative edits and fictional claims he has made and ask that he be closely watched by administrators, all editors, and the whole community. He has acted in a distasteful manner and has not respected the rules and demands of the community. I am sorry about losing my cool but what he did was amoral and in my opinion amoral 72.57.230.179 08:23, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tortuga Turaga replying to a meassage about signing

I got a message from you saying to sign my posts with four tildies. But I am not a member (I might become one) so it would only put down my IP adress and I would rather use this option: "You can also consider manually signing your posts with a pseudonym or tag such as --anon (although your IP address will still be stored in the page history if you edit without logging in)." I think a tag would be easier for someone to recognise and I prefer this method, so isn't signing myself --Tortuga Turaga with a date and time stamp okay? As I have not used this site much before and I'm not a member I don't know that much about wikipedia. Thanks for you time. Ps. Sorry about the argument in the Bionicle Talk section, I hope it's settled now. --Tortuga Turaga 19:31, 17 April 2006 (UTC) (and 217.155.115.6 if you want)

[edit] Jeff Merkey

[[77]] Check the latest comments.

[edit] personal attack, please help

Dear InShanee,

This person Eupator in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bagratid_Dynasties is using personal attacks by calling me a "troll" and he also uses profanities in French language. Can you please warn him and ask him to stop making personal attacks? Thanks in advance. LD Noxchi Borz 23:07, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] More tools for your toolbox

Go ahead and go to my userpage and make yourself a copy of the tools and other links I have there. Martial Law 05:23, 21 April 2006 (UTC) :)

[edit] Comments on my background

If I have ever given out information about my nationality, religious, or linguistic background, it's for people to ask me relevant questions where they think I might be of some help.[78] It's not for people to go around constantly commenting on what they perceive to be my "ancestors", calling me "self-proclaimed" this or that.[79] (<--- Last sentence) And this is not the first time this user makes totally irrelevant comments on what he perceives to be my ethnicity. I didn't bother to report the last one. AucamanTalk 14:51, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge

As you must've noticed by now we have begun merge with Wikipedia: Wikiproject Supernatural and I'd appreciate any help you could give being I'm about to get off and I must archive all their stuff... Mahogany-wanna chat?

[edit] Nationality

You had not informed me about this before. Plus, his nationality is the same as mine! so I have no idea why that would be a problem! -- - K a s h Talk | email 17:25, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] More tools for your toolbox

Go to my Userpage and make yourself a copy of the tools, other links found there. Martial Law 08:44, 22 April 2006 (UTC) :)

[edit] Blocking Ardenn

InShaneee, Ardenn did nothing to deserve the block you just gave him. That was a legitimate rebuttal. -- OsgoodeLawyer 00:17, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nice Site!

Hey Inshaneee, nice site you got going! Facthunter 02:55, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks!

Thanks for the tip, and I'll contact you if I ever need any help. Thanks again, and bye! Facthunter 03:08, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User:Alienus

Hi InShaneee. I noticed that you extended the block on this user (richly deserved, in my possibly-biased-due-to-having-had-the-Alienus-treatment-previously opinion) but did not notify him. I'm not certain if you should, but wanted to let you know. Best wishes, Jakew 21:28, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikistalking

Please take a look here, a suspicious user with two or more IP addresses is harassing me[80].Zmmz 20:34, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks!

I received this comment from you on my talk page not long ago:

"[T]hreats against other users are patently unacceptable. If you continue to act beligerently towords (sic) other users, you may be temporarily blocked from editing."

I just wanted to say how effective your admonition not to threaten people was, especially since it was accompanied by a threat. Even though my putative "threat" was nothing more than a quotation from the The Juggernaut Bitch video itself (which I can now only assume that you have not even seen), I can understand how people might be put in fear that I might credibly "hit [them] with [their] own pimp" if I see them on the street. This is made even more credible by the fact that I have no idea what any of these people look like, nor where they live, nor what their names are. I can see why you're such a highly regarded editor. Oh, it's spelled "towards" by the way. "A" and "O" are so close on the keyboard, I can see how you got them confused.RiseAbove 19:36, 29 April 2006 (UTC)