Talk:Insect fighting

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Articles for deletion This article was nominated for deletion on 29 June 2007. The result of the discussion was No consensus.

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[edit] Blood sport?

May I point out that insects do not have blood? Steve Dufour 21:40, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Guys? insect bench press? come on. the entire training section needs deleted. im on it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.38.142.251 (talk) 01:02, August 20, 2007 (UTC)

I've nominated it for speedy deletion. Although I can believe that there have been staged insect fights, even shown on YouTube, none of the information in the article is cited and a lot of it is just plain silly. For one thing insects are pretty much hard-wired to do the things they do. They can not be trained to be more aggressive, nor would they run from the ring in fear. These emotions are way above their level of consciousness. Steve Dufour 04:43, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Then the subject is not a hoax, but the content needs rewritten...? I will agree with you that there are/were silly claims here, but I don't think this is a speedy delete candidate. daveh4h 05:59, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
I removed the speedy tag, but I could understand nominating this for deletion. Any of the crap in it may get sorted out through that process. daveh4h 06:10, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
You are probably right. I checked out the article on cricket fighting and there seems to be some content there. I don't know what should be done with this article. I'm not sure if there is a general subject "insect fighting" which covers both the traditional Chinese cricket fights and modern YouTube insect fights. Steve Dufour 16:23, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
I went ahead and AFDed it as you suggested Dave. We'll see what happens. If this really is a notable subject it should have a worthwhile article. Steve Dufour 16:42, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Are you all kidding or something? Are you really implying that all insect fighting is a hoax? Cricket fighting has quite a long history in Asia. Here's one of many refs: http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200408/s1177771.htm Is a little silly that I even have to post that... 68.221.199.56 18:38, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Well Steve kind of has me wondering what kind of sources could be found for this article. I'm interested to find out actually :-). 68 if you have any other refs add them to the article or put them here and I'll check em out. Or you could put them on the AfD. daveh4h 18:48, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

I've just read an article on Cricket Fighting by Hugh Raffles in Granta 98 - Granta is a literary magazine in the Uk. Hugh is publishing a book in 2009 called Illustrated Insectopia, in which the article on Cricket Fighting forms a part.Phils.roberts 06:14, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Please read references added by twiknham. I apologize for not making the references neat at the bottom, I do not know how to do this yet. Thx. Twiknham 05:20, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Was this dispute founded mainly on the fact that insects have no blood and thus can't be involved in blood sport? "Blood sport" is just an event or activity deemed cruel or harmful. Do we really need to call this a hemolymph sport??

To the above: I don't think that was the crux of the "dispute".
User Twiknham added some good info that I have rewritten and added. One part that I took out is listed below:
There are two other articles of particular interest: "The Fighting Beetle" www.chiagmaiinfo.com/articles/13beetlefighting.html and "The Mettle of the Beetle" by Chompoo Trakullertsathien, www.thaibugs.com/Articles. There is some discussion within these articles about exporting to other countries; but I read several news articles, not referenced here, about people being fined for trying to smuggle into their countries these non-native species of beetles from Thailand.
daveh4h 15:34, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

The article is much better now than it was when I first saw it and made those comments. Thanks. Steve Dufour 17:23, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Insect Training

The insect training section is absolutely ridiculous. I read stuff like that and it has no place in an encyclopedia. There is no “insect language,” insects won’t expect ANY “move” and insects certainly do not punch and kick, nor have favorite “finishing moves.” This section appears to have been added as a piece of fiction. Maybe in the insect fighting world they really believe this, if they do, this section could be re-written with a more serious approach. Rip-Saw 11:31, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

While absolutely hilarious, unfortunantly this must needs be removed. Uncturage 16:40, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
I agree, it's funny but not what we really want to see for wikipedia. As such I've tagged the article for lack of references/sources and original research. --SRHamilton 03:21, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
Someone continues to add the insect training portion of the article back in. Rip-Saw 00:59, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The 'in the media' section lacks a mention of Pokémon

I'm not saying that's wrong, it just amuses me by its absence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.21.221 (talk) 06:53, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I fixed it. :-) Steve Dufour 14:00, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Blood again

I recently read a book about ants and it seems that insects do have blood after all, even if it is not red. I will take the disclaimer off of the first sentence. Steve Dufour 13:54, 2 November 2007 (UTC)