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Type O Negative

I've noticed people are extremely picky with this ICP article. Besides the fact that this wiki-ICP article is bringing ICP lovers and ICP haters together and trying to find a middle ground.... , it's also bringing perfectionists around. I'm not sure why, but as you will, this article keeps being modified day by day with a**holes vandalising, some other people leaving content that is completely false.

The thing that is pissing me off the most, is that we have a couple of editors in here that when someone tries to fix the article, then they tear it apart saying that is not in wikipedia format.

I want these editors to take a look at the Type O Negative page. A controversial band somewhat close to what ICP is, an underground shock band who a lot of people hate and a lot of people love. Also vandalised from time to time. I don't see people tearing that page apart because there wasn't a link every other 2 words or 'cause every single word didn't have a website with claims to back it all up.

Some other people complain like an angry housewife about the BS rule "what wikipedia is not". Oh boy. Maybe the most misinterpreted rule in this site. Everyone has a different point of view of what the rule is and in the meantime everyone has a reason to bitch. The most common reverting-reason backed by this "rule" is that when the article gets too long, then is time to revert the whole thing and then hope someone else makes a shorter version. Listen, a**holes, how about leaving it the way it is instead of reverting? if you think its too long then delete the lines you think are not worth keeping and leave what you think is right. But oh no, let's just revert, let's just ruin someone else's work and leave the old half-a**ed version even though it has problems ( reason why it was modified to begin with ).

To sum it all up. Please try to be a solution to the problem instead of being the problem. A little advice to the perfectionist editors: if you think this article doesn't fit your PMS'ing needs, then f**king fix it. Give it a shot, try your best to be the solution instead of reverting the whole thing and putting some flags up. YOU EDIT IT. YOU FIX IT. YOU MAKE IT NEUTRAL. PERIOD.

Fractured english, YEAH. THEN YOU FIX IT. And on the way, revert every single page and put some other flags up, 'cause we all got the time to sit here and try to satisfy your needs.

Thank you and god bless you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.229.107.247 (talk • contribs) .

I must say I find it odd that you both attack and "bless" people in the same breath. I don't know if anyone's ever told you, but you catch more flies with honey. You're unlikely to win any converts to your way of thinking if you continue to assume bad faith on the parts of others and insult them. Please refer to WP:CIVIL. Kasreyn 20:33, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't mean to be disrespectful, but I truly don't care anymore to "win" anything here. I know its not bad faith on their behalf. It's just being too picky and overall being a "critic". We are not critics here, we are editors. So if you find something you don't like..... FIX IT. That's my point. Let's say you were a car mechanic, then you find out a car you are fixing had previous work done badly. Most likely the mechanic will try to fix any remaining problems with the troubled area. However, if he was like the people in here, he would probably take a hammer, smash the windows, smash the body paint, empty the break fluid and then replace the oil with water. Then say the car is f*cked and hope the next mechanic can fix it. ( not fix it himself, just leave it to the next person ).By the way, i'm gonna start contributing to antiwikipedia from now on, 'cause there they don't bitch like here.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.229.107.247 (talk • contribs) .

Speaking of fixing it, you might want to look at the sourcing job I did on the RIAA certs in the article. I even did it without dumping paragraphs of mean-spirited spew on the talk page. Your hyperbole leaves something to be desired: evidence of desire to help out. :) Kasreyn 00:22, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

CHILL PEOPLE

I hear some of you stating that you personally dont like ICP. Well, so what...I dont like Hilary Duff but Im not on her wikipedia page am I? ICP has always been and always will be the most mind blowingly original freaks to appear in a c.d store. People close their minds to it when they hear the word fuck. LISTEN and you will see that they only kill those who deserve it and only disrespect those who dont respect them or themselves.

"CHILL PEOPLE I hear some of you stating that you personally dont like ICP. Well, so what...I dont like Hilary Duff but Im not on her wikipedia page am I? ICP has always been and always will be the most mind blowingly original freaks to appear in a c.d store. People close their minds to it when they hear the word fuck. LISTEN and you will see that they only kill those who deserve it and only disrespect those who dont respect them or themselves."

Holy shit, are you fucking retarded? We're not on Hillary Duff's page because: A) She doesn't have borderline militant fans, and B) Her fans don't constantly bring POV into her wiki articles. And as for your little comment, just who the fuck do you think you are? "Only kill those who deserve it", huh? How can you say that ANY human being deserves to die? Wait, nevermind, you're a juggalo, trudging through your imagined wasteland of moral superiority. No wonder you imagine it's okay to kill "those who deserve it". --Abnerian 11:37, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Please check up on WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA. Just because someone says something you find personally objectionable does not justify personal attacks here. And please don't paint all fans of ICP with the same brush just because some of them behave badly or are not eloquent.

I also see no real conceptual problem with what the anon had to say. After all, we (well, at least Americans) live in a society which, for some reason which I will never understand, condones capital punishment. Clearly the majority seems to believe that it is possible to judge that another human being "deserves to die", and that this judgement should be made. I see little difference between this widespread view and ICP's raps about fictional vigilantism. The only difference is the size of the group doing the judging. Cheers, Kasreyn 18:17, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

1) I have very little regard for official policies, save for in articles themselves. I will keep content neutral, sourced, etc. And Juggalos are ones to talk about "painting". If you can ostracise the rich, based on nothing more than their personal wealth, how are you any better than some snooty rich dude who hates anybody less financially stable than him? And since when has mass appeal conferred right? And, as for the size of the group, i'd say that being a Juggalo is pretty mainstream now. You're at, what, 100,000 members now? And ICP's raps are hardly "vigilantism". Maybe some other people who dislike ICP haven't listened to it, but I gave it a chance and I know what it's about. Killing children (or threatening to kill a child) is not "vigilantism". The anon's view is retarded. Yes, it's a personal attack. --Abnerian 22:00, 9 July 2006 (UTC) 21:59, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately for you, official policies do extend to Wikipedia talk pages. You will be required to adhere to them, or your stay here may turn out to be rather short. I hope you'll reconsider. I also don't know what you mean by "you're", as I am not a Juggalo. In any case, please avoid further personal attacks. Kasreyn 02:54, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Viva la resistance. --Abnerian 08:28, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

I just wanted to say that as a "JUGGALO" we don't expect everyone to like ICP or their music. As a matter of fact that's what most of us like about it. Just remember that ICP is comprised of wicked clowns "CLOWNS" being the key word here. When they rap, 90% of the time they're just clownin around on the mike. Also just as everyone doesn't think the same movies are funny, of course not everyone is going to think they're funny, just like everyone doesn't like country, or rap, or classical, but ya know what? Who cares? You don't see juggalo's going around saying everyone who likes classical is gay or a panzy. Anyways, my point is, if you don't like ICP good for you. What do you want a cookie or a gold star or something? Give us a break; and for all you who come to websites like these just to write bad remarks about bands or people in general that you know nothing about GET A LIFE. There's lots of other stuff to do on the internet besides being a hater. Which is exactly what all of you are who are talkin sh** about a group of people just because you don't understand or fit in with them. You guy's are the one's ICP's talking about in those songs. One more thing they never said they were killing children, listen a little closer next time they talk about people getting what they deserve for what they do to children. As for rich people, what you don't think ICP has all kinds of money? Are you out of your freakin mind? Apparently you don't know how many cd's they have, or movies, or clothes, or pretty much anything else you can think of. They hate on rich people who forgot where they came from, or never had it rough like some of us did. The one's who walk around with their nose in the air and think they're better than all of us, and if you've never seen em'. then don't make smart a** comments about something you don't understand. When they say that, they're talking to all of us who have had it rough who have had "rich" people pull up next to us in their Mercedes while we're in our beaters and laugh or stick their snobby little nose up in the air like they're the biggest sh** on the face of the earth. To all of you who haven't had this experience, shut the F up about it, and to those of you that have, you know exactly what I'm talkin about. Anyways I said what I wanted to say. I figured it might be good if someone who is an actual JUGGALO spoke up, and I'm pround to be one, as a matter of fact I've been down since 92'. So just a little food for thought for those of you who don't know what you're talking about. PEACE OUT and have a nice life HATERS!!!!!—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.28.108.11 (talk • contribs) 23:59, 16:10, 27 July 2006 (UTC).

I don't believe for a second that ICP collectively has 9-figures in their portfolio, so don't imply that they have bigger bankrolls than us readers. I also doubt many wealthy people aspire to be a Juggalo, so your comment regarding "haters" being mad because they don't fit in with Juggalos is kind of irrelevant. And I drive an 05' BMW roadster, and I've never had some rich kid in a Mercedes make fun of me (even though an 06' Mercedes could be in excess of 4x more expensive than my car).

NPOV tag removed

I've removed the NPOV tag. It was added by Fyrre, whose replies on this talk page, as can be easily seen, elevate tersity to an art form. If Fyrre cannot take the time to give specific details of specific claims in the article which he or she feels violate NPOV, then it is inappropriate to have the NPOV tag in the first place. The use of the NPOV tag puts a burden on the person who added it to explain their reasons. I don't feel that Fyrre has done this. Respectfully, Kasreyn 23:29, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Sharon Osbourne

Why nothing on the Sharon Osbourne/ICP dispute a few years ago?

I've never heard of it. I vaguely remembered ICP dissing her in one of their raps back when. Was that involved with it? Got a link? Kasreyn 01:23, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Sharon Osbourne bet ICP that their next album wouldn't sell 500,000 copies. The next album was a double album that sold 250,000 each. ICP claim they won because they sold 500,000 records, while Osbourne claims they only sold 250,000 since the same people probably bought both albums. Osbourned never paid ICP, so ICP donated a large amount of money to charity in her name to spite her. This really isn't notable enough to put in the main article. Juggaleaux 03:52, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

It's already detailed on Osbourne's page anyway.--Rosicrucian 00:14, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

they mention it on the Bizaar/Bizzar album pages too.The juggreserection 18:14, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Vanishing Article

The following article of the ICP page has been flickering on & off, what's the deal?

AfD Finished

Well, that's done, and several bad-faith lookalike articles have been speedied. Let's keep a close watch ont the main article to make sure he doesn't sneak it back in via sockpuppet.--Rosicrucian 14:48, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Or not...

Well, he's back. I've put a notice out to the original admin that banned his account, so hopefully we can stomp out these sockpuppets. Keep an eye out to see if he makes any splinter articles, so we can get them speedied.--Rosicrucian 03:19, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

S-Protected, and still worried?

um, why worry if the page is now semi-protected? It seems like it'll stay that way for a while too. Also, rather than "hunting for splinter articles," wouldn't our time be better spent out in the real world, living life? I have a theory, what if this "YaR GnitS" person is really a group of people who think ICP and Juggalos (Kasreyn in particular) are a joke, and spend a 5 seconds cut&pasting the article on wiki, where hunting for it takes all of us losers an overwhelming amount of time.

No, I'm fairly sure it takes us less time to revert your edits than it does for you to register socks, YaR GnitS. In fact, I'd be willing to wager that some of your socks have been banned in less time than it took to register them. About the only thing that's keeping us from finally being rid of you is your use of AOL as an anonymizer and your habit of registering about six socks at a time. So let's not pretend you're talking about someone else here.--Rosicrucian 04:51, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

FYI your assumption is incorrect, all my info is pre-set, so I just add a suffix, and I'm good to go. From clicking "create a account" to submitting my ICP post, on an edit it takes less than 2min., often less than 1. On a create-a-page, it takes less than 3min. I'm pretty sure the greater effort is on the admin's end. ~YaR GnitS

Archived

Talkpage was getting huge, so I moved anything before May to /archive1.--Rosicrucian 11:31, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Internet radio sites

Please do not link to internet radio sites in this article. Wikipedia is not a vehicle for website promotion.--Rosicrucian 17:32, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Why if they play ICP than this is the perfect place RealG187 17:27, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

morton's list

im not much of a writer, so im hoping someone who knows about the game will write something about it on this page or give it it's own page. thanks .--ats02171 15:09, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Edit Suggestion

The part on the main page that says where the term "Juggalo" came from is incorrect. It's simply a mixture of the words "juggler" and "gigolo". No need to make it any more complicated than that. Overanalyzation makes Wikipedia sad.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.224.34.216 (talk • contribs) 03:30, 17 August 2006 (UTC).

Do you have a source for this? Because I certainly can't find one.--Rosicrucian 18:37, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Nonsense. See Juggalo, which has an explanation directly quoting one of ICP's founders on how the term arose. If I'm not mistaken, the explanation is precisely as complicated as it needs to be. Kasreyn 02:17, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

I just looked at that page, and it sucked!! There was absolutely no sentence explaning what a juggalo is, just activities that the juggalos participate in. The guidelines are simple: There are no guidelines! Even Violent J said himself that a juggalo is whatever you want it to be. Research or somthing, because that page is just plain ignorance.The juggsd86 16:27, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Radio show

Apparently I'm the only person who listens to Sirius and heard the whole interview. The whole show is available on the Usenet, if any of you doubt what was said. To claim what they said was in a joking matter, then everything they said during the interview was said in a joking matter, as thier tone, inflection, and other aspects of speech did not change at all for that question Forgot to sign, sorry--pahsons 01:43, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

For starters, it's unsourced so we can't include it. Unless you have a reliable link to a transcript we can't put it in. What's more, this is the Howard Stern show. Obviously it was tongue-in-cheek. To say otherwise is baseless speculation.--Rosicrucian 17:56, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Half this article is unsourced, maybe you haven't noticed all the little citation needed tags. But ask and you shall receive

http://www.marksfriggin.com/news06/9-25.htm#mon

'Howard took some phone calls for the guys. One guy asked if they're okay with the Juggalos going out and mugging people. They said that they're all for it'

When one of them claimed to be a ninja, he then said he was joking, after going into a lengthy description of where he trained and what he could do. None of that from either one on the mugging comment.

I do not think that is a source that we can cite either. For one, it only summarizes, not transcribes. Ergo, we can't really pull direct quotes from it. It's a fan project, not an official transcript.--Rosicrucian 22:55, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Genre?

Normally I wouldn't care that much about genre, but I feel I really must question its description in the actual text, (the template thing on the side that says just Horrorcore is fine) to be particularly misleading. Hardcore Metal? (which redirects to Metalcore, by the way, which again eh?) Horrorcore Metal? Just because a rap group tends to sample distorted guitar riffs in their beats for songs does not really in any way make them a metal band. Otherwise you may as well say that Trick Daddy's song Let's Go is a metal song because it samples Ozzy.

I haven't listened to every song by ICP, but until someone points out a metalcore song they did I'm going to remove the Hardcore Metal designation, I feel that the metal designation after horrorcore should be removed too, perhaps with a note elsewhere describing their sound, one could even mention that their sound is relatively identical to Twiztid and other bands on their label, whatever it's called.--

id say rap-metal but i dont know though Jimmypop1994 00:53, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Naturally i dont have a problem with Horrorcore as a genre. As a matter of fact, all my ICP songs on my computer have 'Horrorcore' as the genre! I would like to point out, however, that a lot of their songs have guitar samples in them. FOr example, Piggie Pie, Chicken Huntin(not the original, the one from The Riddlebox), Cartoon Nightmare, and many others. Even so, i think horrorcore will do just fine for now.The juggsd86 16:21, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

There Genre is called the "Wicked Shit", It has been said many times for over 8 or so years by Psychopathic artists and other bands that have worked with them. It has been stated by Amb in early Jan on a radio show they did, that Horrorcore is nothing like the "Wicked Shit" horrorcore is mainly artists who don't have a message or meaning to there songs there just about rape and murder. The Wicked Shit as its known is more real, personal and every song is a story which makes it more interesting (but i've been listening to Psychopathic Records for over 10 years now) so I actually understand what there trying to say unlike haters who just say its horrible music. And I don't know what this kid above me says about the songs under Horrorcore cause when I put all my CD's in my comp or Xbox they come up as Rap Hip-Hop so he must have added that extra Section on his own time.

  too add to that violent j in one of his verses on   1less g n da hood (blazes 2nd cd) he says "im spittin wicked shit fuck horrocore" so if that doesnt put it to rest i dont know what does

FYI you don't get to define your own genre, otherwise I guess we're all supposed to beleive Avril Lavigne is Punk. I'd say rap-metal since all the classic signs are there.

i disagree since they DONT fall under the usual catergories (along with most underground music) like when black sabbath 1st came out no one called it metal it was just rock & roll and then later it became heavy metal. i say it should be one of those since many other artists aside from icp and even unaffilaited with psychopathic records claim that they are wicked shit. and id like to know what "music bible" if you will were you are reading the definitive rules were if your extremely different you dont get to coin your own style i mean does the astronomer who finds the star not get to name it ? 65.123.157.253 06:28, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

The Calm

i just finished the discography table.

i wasnt sure if i should put the calm in albums or eps

i put it in eps for now Jimmypop1994 13:48, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm wondering: what happened to the info on RIAA certs (ie. gold, platinum, etc.)? The link to the RIAA page which was formerly in the article was a form of citation to support these claims. Now they're unsupported and could be challenged as such. Shouldn't the link to the searchable RIAA db go back in? Kasreyn 19:19, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

i was wondering that too

i didnt get rid of it but ill put it back inJimmypop1994 19:34, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Song

Does anyone know the name of the song that goes, "i like ice cream cherry pie and lemon aid with summer freezers"?

That's Rainbows and Stuff from the Bizaar album Chenxlee 22:45, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Pictures

how come this group can't have pictures? I've uploaded pictures of them multiple times only to return and see that they are gone. I also checked and saw that many other bands groups and rappers DO have pictures, so why do the pictures for this group keep getting deleted?

I haven't checked thoroughly, but at a guess I'd put it down partially to...

Vandalism: This page has been vandalized repeatedly, so I wouldn't be surprised! If the image is simply deleted from this article without explanation, (i.e. the image itself is not deleted from Wikipedia) the changes can easily be reverted.
Copyright infringement: If the image itself has been removed by an administrator, you can check the deletion log. You may not normally use any copyrighted images on Wikipedia. However, it is OK to use promotional images of the band, provided that suitable fair use justification is given.

djsik 16:00, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Images have been repeatedly removed due to copyright reasons. This is nonsense, as WP policy clearly states that (very important) in the absence of a free alternative image, it is OK to use a copyrighted image provided it serves a clear purpose in the article. This is fair use under U.S. copyright law. So unless there is a free image of ICP available, we can use a copyrighted imagem, but only ONE image. The people who have deleted images of ICP have never pointed to a free alternative that is available, so I don't see a problem with grabbing an image to use. Preferably not a promo image off their website - an image from a newspaper, or taken by a fan, would be more appropriate. Kasreyn 06:47, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

You are misunderstanding fair use. It is only fair use to use a copyrighted image if it is no longer possible to ever obtain a free image (i.e., if the person is dead). An image released in a promotional pack, or specifically indicated to be a press release media image on their website, would be allowable (pinching from a gallery would not). Proto::► 09:41, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

I have a question

Does anybody really know if The Tempest is going to be released or if that is just a fluke. The reason i ask that is I don't want to get excited over an album that isn't even going to get produced and sold. Thank you for your time and patience.

Random note: Nice job on cleaning up this article to make it more factual and not fictional. I love it now, thanks.

KoRnNinjaMaggot A caring ninja

The Tempest will be released March 20th, 2007. Ogyaf 11:30, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

I removed the "I don't mean to vandalize" or whatever section

I removed it due to irrelevence to anything to do with information, questions or suggestions. Just POV that nobody cares about. So if you hate ICP so much don't post about it where it'll most likely be removed because it is useless. Thanks and please heed this warning of useless POV subjects/topics. (Socialismo01 23:43, 4 December 2006 (UTC))

Cirtifications and chart Positions

There has been a disagreement between some over cirtifications and chart positions.

using [www.riaa.com] for the cirtifications

and www.allmusic.com for the chart positions, its all correct right now

The ringmaster, coc, and all eps except the calm havn't charted

the calm is the only ep that charted

and coc bizaar, bizzar, all eps, forgotten freshness vol 3., forgotten fresness vol 4, and the wrath albums havent been cirtified by the riaa —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jimmypop1994 (talk • contribs) 15:40, 9 December 2006 (UTC).

Vandalism

It's getting a bit silly now - we're reverting the page just about every day. Please can we try to find a consensus on the following proposals...

Launch a clampdown on vandals: Always place warning tags on their user talk pages, report to admin if they persist. Perhaps we could create a list of known vandal usernames and IPs on this talk page to keep track of them?
Semi-protect the page: This will cut out all IP/new user vandalism, but will stop all the constructive edits from new/unregistered people too. Probably best only as a last resort.

Alex valavanis 11:36, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I've semi-protected the page. As far as I am concerned, it can stay that way until the end of time ... wasn't that supposed to be when the Wraith came out? :) If any new/unregistered user really wants to make an edit, they can ask on the talk page for someone to make it. A quick review of the IP addresses that contributed to the article over the last couple of weeks shows nothing but vandalism. Proto::► 09:38, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Reverted the page back to the most recent, non-vandalised version I could fine. I hate ICP, just so everyone knows, but in the interest of Wikipedia standards... Col.clawhammer 05:39, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Atrocious Writing

There was some just awful writing done on the page, and I cleaned up what I could. I only made it to the bit about the sixth Joker Card before I wore out. I didn't change any of the information, but I think I made it more readable. Echo5Joker

Language Choice Justification?

for example, "This attempt at a diss song was considered weak..." Diss song? Is there any reason that we aren't using more intelligent language here? Is the term jargon in the rapcore community, and therefore it's use is justified? If so, can we get a reference to a specific reputable source refering to this specific song as a diss song? 71.14.76.237 22:40, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

That and the rest of the section seems to contain a large amount of original research.Ocatecir 03:28, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, a dis track is a legitimate term in the rap world, and there's definitely songs that the term (and little else besides the term) can and should be applied to ("Ether", by Nas, for one). So, if there's evidence that it's a dis track, I'd say leave it in. 4.236.240.74 13:36, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Return to Semi-protect?

User:Voice of All removed Semi-protection on 7th Jan, which seemed like a reasonable idea. However, vandalism started again with a vengeance yesterday. It seems that this page is a favourite for vandals, and that won't change for a very long time. It's very disheartening when as far as I can see, 18 of the 22 edits since semi-protection was removed, have been either vandalism or reverts. Is it worth considering a longer term semi-protection? Alex valavanis 00:23, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Weed War?

There is a song circulating on filesharing programs called Weed War, which is allegedly by ICP (WIth Twiztid & Kottonmouth Kings), however, I have asked around, and have gotten many juggalos telling me it's a fake song, or that its by the Phunk Junkeez(sp?). So which one is it, is it fake, or by someone else? I have uploaded the song here, that way, someone can verify this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.154.242.114 (talk) 22:04, 15 January 2007 (UTC).

Thats The Phunk Junkeez

Detriot

Arent they from detrot? RealG187 17:34, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

They are Originally from a suburban ghetto called "Shack Town" located in Wayne, Michigan.69.209.189.121 22:46, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

They moved to Garden City Michigan for a a few years before moving to Detroit —Preceding unsigned comment added by CapoCapi (talk • contribs) 21:16, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

So they moved to detriot?

i happen to be a juggalette and i love icp and i just want to know why there are dozens of bands and nobody gets angry at them. insane clown posse are constantly harassed because of their music, they arent the bad ones its the people who center their lives around icp and trying to hurt them that are wrong. instead of leaving little messages about icp all day long and arguing with others about them why dont you get off your hairy butts and get a job!!!i love icp nothing is wrong with them, they are a band, they give people something to do on the weekends...so why do they matter so much to you?!if icp werent the best you people wouldnt talk about them constantly!!!!!!!]]

Wow. There's my laugh for the evening.24.247.78.110 06:48, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

I edited out the exchange of bad words here....

What the hell is a suburban ghetto? 76.213.174.224 06:35, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup

i think the arcticle is good enough now to remove the section about the cleanup to meet wikipedia's quality standardsJimmypop1994 15:14, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Tempest Cover

are you sure thats the actual cover??? i cant find any other site that has a cover for the album and this one looks more like an advertisement due to the fact that it sayd that the album is coming out in September. unless sombody shows proof im going to remove the cover.209.244.188.208 16:08, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

The cover has not been released yet its all that was released about the tempest and it was in the fuck the fuck off insert all else that has been released is a one sheet that kill music.com releases but then its just a logo

Where's Mutilation Mix?

I noticed that Mutilation Mix isn't featured in the compilation/remix/etc section. Is there any reason why this was left out? --Joker50187 06:55, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

yeah hell yeah weres mutilation mix or the hokus pokus cds

RIAA Certifications

As per the RIAA search engine for Insane Clown Posse, these are the certifications.
THE GREAT MILENKO - 05/04/98 - GOLD
SHOCKUMENTARY - 07/23/98 - GOLD
THE GREAT MILENKO - 04/21/99 - PLATINUM
FORGOTTEN FRESHNESS - 09/30/99 - GOLD
RIDDLE BOX - 11/23/99 - GOLD
THE AMAZING JECKEL BROTHERS - 01/06/00 - GOLD
BIG MONEY HUSTLAS - 04/04/01 - GOLD
SHOCKUMENTARY - 05/21/02 - PLATINUM
BOOTLEGGED IN L.A. - 10/08/03 - GOLD
THE RINGMASTER - 06/07/04 - GOLD

The only platinum album is The Great Milenko. Even if ICP has actually sold more than a million of any other album, RIAA has only given the award to The Great Milenko. Period. Juggaleaux 06:59, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I REPEAT: AJB IS NOT PLATINUM. I have even cited a link to the riaa database so you can search it yourselves. Please stop changing AJB to platinum regardless of whatever ICP's official site says. The RIAA database is the official judgement on this since they are the ones who GIVE THEY CERTIFICATIONS. Juggaleaux 03:47, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

just cuz its not on the website doenst mean its law they have a pic of them with there platinum plaque whatever of the jeckel brothers so thats what i believe hard proof over what the internet says

Do you have a link you can point to for your "hard proof"?--Rosicrucian 20:38, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

ill upload the pic and see what i can do its on my camera since i was at the platinum partys for both milenko and the jeckel brothers (theyhave partsyfor when there records turn gold or platinum) once i do all the net bullshit and get it on a site we can all finally shutup about all this RIAA BULLSHIT

Era?

Am I the only one who thinks it's a bit much to refer to the time after ICP albums as "eras?" It seems overly dramatic to me. It's not like the page is about the colonization of America; it is about ICP. Maybe I'm wrong though.

"An era is a long period of time." well since i think a year is a long time, that counts as an "Era." Plus the ICP had alot of problems in between releases with media and such, so each album has a story with it. From the Carnival of Carnage having weak orignal sales to the Disney problems of the Great Melinko and the AJB going to #4....using the word Era really gets the point acrossed that alot happened in that time frame.

well if the band itself likes to refer to periods in their careers as 'eras' then I would say why not. Maybe it would be more appropriate to label it "Era" with quotation marks to and/or denote that it is a colloquial term used by the band, as opposed to Wikipedia's labeling. It did strike me as odd however, because it's using Era in the subtitles, giving the feel of the Encyclopedia qualifying the periods as eras. Popoi 23:03, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

An era is definitely more than just one year, it is many years. Here's what the dictionary says: "1. a period of time marked by distinctive character, events, etc.: The use of steam for power marked the beginning of an era." ----

I think its appropriate to use eras since they themselves have used it and it goes well with the whol lore of the jokers cards and how eachone has its time to give its message b4 the next is revealed and so one

Copyvio removed.

The passages added by Fuuula are a copyright violation, having been copy-and-pasted from the official website, as a quick Google search on my part revealed. [1] As such, I've removed them to avoid copyvio. --Rosicrucian 15:29, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Concur with analysis and removal. Ronbo76 15:39, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

this article of ICP are made in spanish wikipedia

This article of ICP are made in spanish wikipedia, please put es:Insane Clown Posse in this English article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 201.246.71.60 (talk) 08:32, 1 April 2007 (UTC).

criticisms

the blender article mention is repeated twice in the criticisms. Once at the beginning and once at the end (70.71.194.105 07:10, 5 May 2007 (UTC))

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