Talk:Inquisition (Warhammer 40,000)

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[edit] Source Data for Space Marines presented to the Emporer

Is there a proper source for the following.

Malcador presented 12 such individuals to the Emperor, Space Marines Nathaniel Garro of the Death Guard, Iacton Qruze the so called 'Last Luna Wolf', and Sister of Silence Witch Hunter Amendera Kendel, among others. Current background material strongly implies the 8 Marines presented became the earliest members of the Grey Knights, Chamber Militant of the Ordo Malleus.


I have not seen these anywhere in print in the Fluff other than the fact that Malcador presented the Marines to the Emporer, Can somone please source? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.74.24.2 (talk) 16:18, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed merge from Inquisitor (Warhammer 40,000)

These seem pretty obvious merge candidates to me, but I'll float it here in case anybody has any objections. Cheers --Pak21 11:38, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

  • My vote you have. -- Saberwyn - The Zoids Expansion Project 12:12, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Have my vote also you do. Sorry, I talk like Yoda must. --Agamemnon2 19:24, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Concur I do. Cygnus360 15:38, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Completed it is --Pak21 11:25, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New additions

Nice page that you have here, I've just added a bit to it, hope it's appreciated. :o) Shardifier (I'm new to this, no idea how to put my username-thingummy)

  • Just added an image of Silas Hand, but I'm unsure of the tagging it needs. I've also had a little tinker with a few things, but nothing major. Shardifier
Personally, I don't think we can claim fair use for that image. It's not important to the Inquisition as a whole. Also, please do not re-add the characters removed from the Famous Inquisitors section: the removal of these characters was discussed both here and on the project page, and a consensus for their removal was reached. Cheers --Pak21 12:30, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
Seeing as how the character is an important character in a serious PLUS has a model for it, it more than fits the ONLY ONE requirement. Any removal of Hand or editing of him will result in a complaint to Wiki admins. There is no consensus, and the "vote" that you claim is not fair in any kind of concern. You are simply a bully. SanchiTachi 00:27, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Notable characters

I have proposed a guideline for character notablity within Warhammer 40,000 articles which I believe may effect the listings on this page. Please see the proposal at Wikipedia:WikiProject Warhammer 40,000/Notability and comment. Cheers --Pak21 10:39, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

We have now agreed some guidelines, as I believe that Heldane, Kryptmann, Lichenstein, Quixos, Silas Hand, Thaddeus and Amberly Vail do not meet the criteria mentioned and are liable to be deleted from the list. I'm also unsure about Czevak and Jaq Draco, and would appreciate guidance on those. Cheers --Pak21 13:09, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
Lord-Inquisitor Kryptmann of the Ordo Xenos should certainly be kept, as should Czevak. Both play a prominent part in the background. The others I'm not really bothered about. --Charax 15:36, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
Are you saying they should be kept because they meet one of the criteria mentioned in the guidelines, or because you think the guidelines do not include all the characters who should be kept? If the former, I'll still unsure as to which; if the latter, could you join in the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Warhammer 40,000/Notability? Cheers --Pak21 16:21, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
By your own guidelines, Silas Hand should be kept in - he has a Warhammer 40,000 model. Quixos is also someone important to the background of the Inquisition; he is mentioned in the 'Inquisitor' rulebook, and also the novel 'Malleus'. He is the stereotypical Xanthite Inquisitor, and for this alone, despite a lack of any of the criteria, he should be included.

Shardifier

Well if Silas has a model with rules he is notable, I think think Quixos could scrape through on the BL notability criteria, he may not be the main character in any one publication but if he is a major character in several? Lowris 10:20, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
Ah, that's the thing - Silas does indeed have a model, but I'm unsure of the rules. He was released, along with Ephrael Stern, as a Black Library collectable. However, everything else the Black Library has released in miniature form has gotten rules, so it's just a matter of finding them... That, and Silas happens to be the main figure in one of the coolest bits of Inquisitorial artwork (by Kev Walker). And Quixos is someone I'd definitely call notable, but without him fully fitting any of the criteria. Without him, though, Eisenhorn would never have revoked the carta against him, and there would not have been a third book in the trilogy... Shardifier86.14.234.92 12:42, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
In which case (I think), Quixos would probably be better suited to a small but sizeable mention in an as-yet-unwritten article on the Eisenhorn Trilogy. -- Saberwyn 12:45, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
What about a link to this page from here? Gregor Eisenhorn Perhaps the Quixos thing should remain as 'just a mention'. He is made out to be such a big, scary badguy that I just expected him to have more. Meh. As long as I can put Silas Hand back up(with one of the criteria fulfilled, hurrah!), then I am happy. After that, on to Ephrael Stern... 86.14.234.92 12:54, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
Probably the wrong place to say it, but: Main character, Daemonifuge comic series. Looks good to me. -- Saberwyn 12:57, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
Whew, finally logged in... So Silas Hand can go back up? Now all I have to do is work out some kind of licensing-thingy on that picture of him I found. It's in a free, downloadable PDF (The 'Inquisitor' rulebook), and I've classed it as a comic book panel (because it appears in one of the old 'Warhammer Monthly' magazines). Beyond that, I'm not sure. Shardifier 13:03, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
Wait till someone else says it before you jump for joy. As for the image, not a frakking clue, mate -- Saberwyn 13:08, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

I just want to record my admiration for the phrasing that Inquisitor Commodus Voke "Lived to be extremely old due to being extremely difficult to kill". That'll do it every time. Grant McKenna 22:47, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

For everyone's info, the notability requirments are for new pages and the main page only. It is more important to ensure notability among the Inquisition as it exists in the game as oppose to "wiki"notability, which is more of proliferation than importance. Quixos is very important in the books and in the game as a whole. The whole rules on Daemonhosts revolve around his background to "fluff" it in.SanchiTachi 05:04, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Ordo Sicarius

So far, two people have reverted/removed additions of the Ordo Sicarius due to canonicity issues - considering they're officially acknowledged by the studio, and are mentioned significantly in the Thorian Sourcebook, what basis is there for this? --Charax 08:33, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

  • It's been removed because no source was provided. If details on this 'Thorian Sourcebook' and any other references to the Ordo and its support by Games Workshop HQ can be provided (quoting date of publishing, author, and ISBN if possible), the information can then be verified and included. -- Saberwyn 09:03, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
    • "Lack of sources" does not equal "Questionable canonicity" - Thorian Sourcebook. I'll add that and Codex: Assassins as sources as soon as I figure out how. --Charax 09:41, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
      • Unless you can prove it, saying something is useless. With a lack of proof, we have to assume lack of canonocity. Now proof has been provided, I don;t have an issue with its inclusion, but would like to see it listed in a new "Minor Ordos" section or something. If you can list the author, date of publication and ISBN of the codex here, I'll fix it up. -- Saberwyn 09:46, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
        • According to Wiki rules, unsourced material is still allowed in. It only has to be labeled that a source is needed. Thus, Saberwyn, you are being a jerk about it. Why not instead find a source instead of just editing over someone else rudely? SanchiTachi 00:50, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
        • Just about finished adding the Minor Ordos (and renaming the Orders of the Inquisition section to Ordos of the Inquisition - nowhere in canon material are they called Orders). Feel free to do what you like with the layout, I'm just adding info. --Charax 09:58, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
          • Cool. 'Preciated. Wander over to the 40K wikiproject when you're done... you may be of use to us... -- Saberwyn 09:59, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
      • What Saberwyn said, both about why sources should be cited and about a split between the "Big Three" Ordos and any other ones. Cheers --Pak21 09:51, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
    • I've added an entry for the Thorian sourcebook to Wikipedia:WikiProject Warhammer 40,000/References#Rulebooks. Feel very free to grab the source there to use as a "proper" reference. Cheers --Pak21 10:00, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Suggested 40k Article Guidelines

I have:

  • An overall page of general guidelines
  • A list that defines different types of articles on differt subjects
  • For Armies "Army Page"
  • For Technology "Technology Page" (equivalent to "Weapons, Vehicles, Equipment Page", or, "WVE page")
  • For Notable Planets "Notable Planet Page"
  • (User:Pak21 already made guidelones for notable characters, but a link to that is included)
  • A statement of purpose for my guidelines
  • Left room for more guidelines to come

--Nothing offical will be done with the guidelines (moved or put to use) until several Wikipedians involved in the Warhammer 40,000 project have verified it.-- Colonel Marksman's Proposed Guidelines

Colonel Marksman 20:57, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Quotes section has to go

  • It's by no means encyclopedic and is not in accordance with common style conventions. --Agamemnon2 15:33, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
I agree completely- this is yet another article that has a completely unnecessary "Quotes" section. I'll be bold and remove it. Cheers --DarthBinky 00:04, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Apotropaic Councils?

  • Can someone source this term in relation to the Inquisition? I've never seen the term used. --Charax 16:48, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
Its probably from either the Thorian Sourcebook or the Inquisitor Rulebook. The word just means to get rid of evil, or to promote getting rid of evil. It could have been used as just a common adjective. SanchiTachi 19:45, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
I put that in, it's from the Eisenhorn trilogy. If I recall correctly, it was somewhat before the Triumph that it was mentioned. Cygnus360 22:16, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Recent Addition

"He has been rumored the be the C'tan Deciever."

Is there a source for this? The character is pulled from the Inquisitor sourcebook. If someone could source the above quote, please do. SanchiTachi 01:10, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Space Marine Ordo

"Founded during the Horus Heresy"? that's rather unlikely - how can an Ordo be founded before the Inquisition was? --82.6.90.185 05:05, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree and also how could they pick a member of the Luna Wolves during the heresy, that isnt precisely a loyal space marine if anyone here gets what I mean Lol... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.113.23.55 (talk) 06:56, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Minor Ordo

I seem to remember that there was a minor ordo that specialises in the use of poisons. They are mentioned in a short story, and again in some of the inquisitor background material, but i cannot remember their name. 82.110.220.88 10:09, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Sure you're not thinking of the Venenum Temple of the Officio Assassinorum? They've got a brief mention in Codex: Assassins, about when one of their agents assassinated a 1000-member committe by poisoning their chairs. Cygnus360 10:05, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
Yes your right, thats the one I was thinking of, I got confused as its been a while since i saw the reference, thanks for correcting me. 82.110.220.88 09:33, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

That aside, I got rid of the 'Ord Militum'. Never heard of 'em and there were no sources to back up their existence. 81.86.242.103 (talk) 18:22, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Inspirations?

Clearly they Inquisition in 40K is inspired by the historical Spanish Inquisition. Why is this not mentioned? (Demigod Ron 05:06, 1 November 2007 (UTC))

Because it isn't sourced. Find a GW designer who says "we based the Inquisition on the Spanish Inquisition" and it can be added. Until then it's original research. Chris Cunningham 12:20, 1 November 2007 (UTC)