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Assessment comments The following comments were left by the assessors: (edit · refresh) On this page some of the references of Quranic verse are wrong which need to be corrected. the correct Ref.No are, 3:3 , 3:48, 3:65, 5:46, 5:47, 5:66, 5:68, 5:110, 7:157, 9:111, 48:29, 57:27 information from Quran is missing , need to be write down from Quran. Below is the detail information about Injeel from Qur'an. what exactly Quran says ? about this word Al-Injeel in the above mentioned ayats, is as follows, 1- First revealed Al-kitab which confirms what is in between his two hands and revealed At-taurat and injeel. Qur'an 3:03. 2- The Iesa pbuh got the knowledge of Al-kitab and Al-hikmat and At-taurat and Al-injeel.i.e he did not get only the Injeel but 4 things. 3:48. 3- Taurat and Injeel reveals/can be understand, after understanding the status of Ibrahim pbuh as per Qur’an, 3:65. 4- Ieasa pbuh verified the At-taurat and Allah gave him Injeel which contains guidance and light, and this Injeel is verifying what is between in his two hands from At-taurat, and this verification of At-taurat is sermon for muttaqeen. In other words Injeel of Al-kitab is sermon of governing ayats having order of Allah ( At-aurat contains order of Allah 5:43 ). Injeel is guidance and sermon for those who guard. 5:46. 5- Family of Injeel should use Injeel other wise they would be transgressors. This means Injeel as per Alkitab must exist as it is, for judgement. 5:47. 6- And if they had kept up the Taurat and the Injeel and that which was revealed to them from their Lord, they would certainly have eaten from above them and from beneath their feet there is a party of them keeping to the moderate course, and (as for) most of them, evil is that which they do. 5:66. 7- The messenger is saying to the people of the book to keep up the Taurat and the Injeel,..5:68.8- In this ayat too Ieasa pbuh are given 4 things and not alone Al-injeel. 7:157.9- Followers of messenger-prophet, the Ummi, whom they find witten down with them in Taurat and Injeel… 7:157. 10- The promise is in Qur’an (Reading and explanation of Al-kitab) , in Taurat ( the ayats having order of Allah in it) and in Injeel (sermon of governing ayats). 9:111. 11- Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and those with him are firm of heart against the unbelievers, compassionate among themselves; you will see them bowing down, prostrating themselves, seeking grace from Allah and pleasure; their marks are in their faces because of the effect of prostration; that is their description in the At-taurat/hokum,government of Allah containing all the governing ayats/signs) and their description in the Al-Injeel/good news(confirmation of At-taurat/The Law and moeza/sermon) ; 029 48:29,Then We made Our messengers to follow in their footsteps, and We sent Isa son of Marium afterwards, and We gave him the Al-Injeel/good news(confirmation of At-taurat/The Law and moeza/sermon) ..57:27. (Farrukh38 (talk) 19:14, 1 March 2008 (UTC))

first of all thank u very much for your help about sending citation style. i have corrected the wordings as per your instructions, wold u please replace the following templates from there,

"The text in this article or section may be incoherent or very hard to understand, and should be reworded if the intended meaning can be determined." See the talk page for details.

thank u very much for ur help for citation styly on my talk page. Thanks --Farrukh38 (talk) 19:13, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Contents 1 - exact place depends on version of the Qur'an 2 Everyone's 33 in heaven? 3 Clearing away misconceptions 4 Muslims' beliefs regarding Injil and verse out of context 5 Bias? 6 Clarity 7 External link to MP3 8 Incoherent Edits

[edit] - exact place depends on version of the Qur'an

Which "versions" of Qur'an is this statement speaking of? As far as I know there is only one version and even the pagination is (almost totally) preserved between different prints.

There are several slightly different systems of verse-numbering within the Suras. One particularl system seems to be used most commonly on the internet, but if you do any deep reading, you'll probably encounter the other systems. AnonMoos 03:56, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

with which verse-numbering sytem the occurance of injeel words written which were not same as normal present Quran? thanks--Farrukh38 (talk) 05:28, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

waiting to see that version of Qur'an which contains word Injil , which you wrote in Injil article as under. The word Injil occurs twelve times in the Qur'an (III, 2, 43, 58; V, 50, 51, 70, 72, 110; VII, 156; IX, 112; XLVIII, 29; LVII, 27 ).

and Following refgerences were used by me to improve the Article Injil.

The word Injil occurs twelve times in the Quran (III, 3, 48, 65; V, 46, 47, 66, 68, 110; VII, 157; IX, 112; XLVIII, 29; LVII, 27 ). As per AL-kitab (The Book of Allah), Eeasa (pbuh) got the knowledge of four --Farrukh38 (talk) 19:13, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Everyone's 33 in heaven?

Jesus' age at the time was 33 years old, and Muslims believe that as soon as people enter heaven, their age would also be 33 years old.

Source? I'm a Muslim and I have never heard of that. (unsigned by 64.172.99.223, 18:30, 11 May 2005)

• I'm glad I'm not the only one. I'm deleting it. If someone can find a decent source for that assertion, they can put it back. --Skoosh 22:58, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Clearing away misconceptions

I've just edited a number of Islam-related articles to clear away incorrect and loose (and possibly ignorant) statements that the Injil = gospels, Torah = Tawrah and Zabur = psalms. It is not just a matter of using the Arabic transliteration and equating it with any other one, but these words actually mean different things . Can I urge other editors aware of these misconceptions to clear away the incorrect implications inherent in the alleged equalities. ---Mpatel (talk) 17:50, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

Well, injil is quite simply the Arabic word for Gospel. That Muslims generally believe that the Christian Gospel as it stands now is a corrupted version of an original divine revelation to Jesus is another question. Generally the word refers to the Christian gospels. Palmiro | Talk 15:00, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Muslims' beliefs regarding Injil and verse out of context

All muslims (if they truly are that) believe that the Son of God reference is a corruption. On the other hand, many muslims interpret the 'raising up' of Jesus as literal - some scholars have different interpretations as to what 'raise up' means in this context: it certainly is not an exclusive muslim view that he was 'raised up', but it is generally believed to be so. The Quranic verse which was quoted out of context has been removed, because, as far as I can tell, whenever the 'Message' is referred to in the Quran, it refers to the Final Message (= Quran). Read verses 15:6 and 15:13 for verification where the Message clearly refers to the Quranic one. --Mpatel (talk) 16:10, August 24, 2005 (UTC)

the 'raising up' of Jesus as literal

As in, like the raising up of Elijah? But Christians believe that too - they just think he died in the meantime before returning to life and then ascending to heaven. It all depends how you interpret the tomb is empty.

Nuttyskin 08:11, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't think I understand you, (1) what do your mean with the "Son of God reference"?

Jesus himself addresses God in the Injil as Father, but only ever refers to himself as the son of man.

Nuttyskin 08:11, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

(2) What is the meaning of 15:6 en 15:13
15:13 reads "They believe not therein, though the example of the men of old hath gone before" (Pickthall)/ and "That they should not believe in the (Message); but the ways of the ancients have passed away." (Yusuf Ali)

15:6 reads "And they say: O thou unto whom the Reminder is revealed, lo! thou art indeed a madman! (Pickthall) and "They say: "O thou to whom the Message is being revealed! truly thou art mad (or possessed)!" (Yusuf Ali)

[edit] Bias?

I sense a Bias in Interpretation... Anyone else?

In the article? Or in the Muslim insistence that the Qur'an is invulnerable to tahrif?

If the former, I can't see it. If the latter, I must say it doesn't hold water. It all hinges on the supposed specialness of the Qur'an, which is conditional upon one believing it actually is all it's supposed to be. The book has always struck me personally as disappointing - monotheism lite: probably quite life-changing for someone who has had no prior awareness of Judaism or Christianity, but for those of us mainlined on that philosophy from childhood, it's just something to encourage the reader to try the Tanach, the Torah and the Talmud. I also find in it the unwavering suspicion of its being a convenient church of ethnic unity for what were the emergent Arab kingdoms.

Nuttyskin 08:50, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Clarity

At one point, the article says that the word Injil was also used to describe the scriptures of the Christian contemporaries of Muhammad, but at another point it says that it was always used to mean the revelation of God to Jesus. Which is it? KittyHawker 20:51, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] External link to MP3

What is the justification for adding the link to "Musical rendering of Injil Yuhanna 1:1-5"? → AA ^(talk) — 17:52, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

What is the justification for its removal? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Useruiki (talk • contribs).

The link is not appropriate as it does not add any value to the article. You can also look up the other reasons in the Manual of Style. Particularly, items 1 and 8. Also, it is a non-English language site and the link is not discussing the Islamic concept of Injil. Also, for future reference, the impotus is on the editor to supply relevant justification and source when challenged for adding content to Wikipedia. Cheers. → AA ^(talk) — 20:54, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time in responding, AA. Blessings Useruiki 21:19, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

No trouble. → AA ^(talk) — 21:24, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Incoherent Edits

(I moved Farrukh38's post to its own section. Editor2020:)

Editor2020 is not considering the facts written in Qur'an. people are writing about Qur'an that Quran says about injil as Gospels. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Farrukh38 (talk • contribs) 13:13, 11 March 2008 (UTC) Farrukh38 (talk) 13:16, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Farrukh38,

I'm trying to help you, but you will not be allowed to make the articles unreadable. The page so badly messed up that it was necessary to go back to a coherent version to get a fresh start. Now, if you have a problem with a claim in the article, put it here on the talk page--properly posted, not just stuck anywhere on the page, and we'll deal with it.--Editor2020 (talk) 15:55, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Editor2020 now this is incoherent which has wrong ayat no.s written under quran section. please read talk pge the section" - exact place depends on version of the Qur'an" with out correcting the reference of verses of quran cannot make coherent and with correct number of verses having word in jeel is incoherent to yoy? the Injil under section Quran must be as per text of Quran to make it coherent or this title of heading should be changed. please. Farrukh38 (talk) 18:13, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Editor2020

please discuss, under section, AL-injil in the text of Quran what is incoherent? the wrong verse nos are coherent? the section is as per Quran that must contain what in the text of Quran is written about word Injil to make coherent? or information other than Quran under section of quran is coherent? Farrukh38 (talk)thanks