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[edit] Screamo and Wiki Collective Knowledge

Hi, I noticed that you reverted the screamo page to remove my edits, for the very good reason that my contributions were unsourced (though you noted that you agreed with most of them). This is probably in keeping with Wikipedia policy on original research, so you were probably right to do that. With that said, I wondered if I could discuss the way musical knowledge, in particular, is transmitted. See, it seems to me that sources on contemporary music sub-genres are often sparse, and frequently wrong. You can see this in the debate about the so-called "New Wave of American Heavy Metal" -- there's a book about it, but it's a stupid and hastily written book -- so does this mean that the genre exists? Oftentimes, information on genres like screamo and thrashcore and crust punk is buried in old zines -- and not many people have an extensive library of this literature. My point is this: There's always an interpretive necessity in Wikipedia article creation. The sentence "Other than that, it is fairly hard to classify (particularly since the rule about screaming vocals is bent fairly often)" is unsourced. Is there something published, anywhere, indicating that the "rule about screaming vocals" in screamo is ever bent? It obviously is, listening to the records themselves reveals this, but has a journalist said this? So couldn't we see Wikipedia as a kind of repository of collective knowledge -- ideally, everything should be sourced, but if insights can be integrated into an article that the community affirms as true, doesn't that say something? Honestly, I think that the Wiki community as a whole is in a position to test information in a much more democratic and accurate way than Allmusic or whatever. In the case of the screamo article -- something needs to be done to address the disparity between the first "screamo" groups (Drives Like Jehu, Swing Kids, Orchid, whatever) and the later stuff like Thursday. Obviously they have some commonalities, but right now we just have endless and stupidly normative debates about what constitutes "true" screamo. Now, I'll bet that there's never really been a book or an article in the mainstream press addressing this -- the press is obsessed with current events and has little regard for history. Shouldn't this distinction be at least skeletally included in the article, to be verified and discussed and contested on the talk page? best, Andrew Aryder779 (talk) 15:48, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Contemporary power violence

Fair enough. I hadn't heard of those groups. Aryder779 (talk) 00:17, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

I agree. Charles Bronson is an important band, and their lack of an article is a glaring omission. I'm working on an overhaul of the "metalcore" page now, since I've found a source, and it's in pretty dreadful shape as it is. Aryder779 (talk) 15:41, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy deletion tagging

Hello Inhumer. Just want to remind you that the speedy deletion tag {{db-band}} should only be added for band articles where there is no claim whatsoever of notability of the band. In particular, articles such as Tear of a doll or Heimat-Los are detailed enough that they should be sent to articles for deletion (where I believe they would likely be kept). Cheers��, Pascal.Tesson (talk) 03:35, 12 June 2008 (UTC)