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[edit] Colour

The color tag currently being used, #FF1493, is very odd looking. It's not at all clear to me this garish color is a "bishops colour". Most biography infoboxes do not use a colored background at all, and those that do seem to use much more sedate colors. I had changed the colors to #F7D79C from {{infobox pope}} (see Benedict XVI). Other infobox colors: Philosophy Hilary Putnam, {{Infobox President}}, both use a soft blue. Gimmetrow 22:30, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

(As per discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Anglicanism) I agree with Gimmetrow that the current colour is too intense and intrusive, as well as too dark to read text in black on (while being rather bright to read text in white on).
Jtdirl, could you explain why you think it should be this colour? Looking at a page like Rowan Williams, to my eye the bars are far, far too bright and attention-grabbing compared to the rest of the page. I don't think there's any need to use an episcopal colour; people know they're looking at a bishop. TSP 01:48, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Clerical boxes being created use colours based on their clerical rank. Bishops wear purple, this shade of purple. If you have a problem with text, change the text colour. Other colours were selected because there is no actual colour identified with a secular office. So colours had to be specially selected and were. This "garish" colour (your view) is actually a standard colour in Wikipedia templates. However as the colour is not used in biography boxes so there is no danger of confusion with its other usage on Wikipedia. As a result it is available to be used also here. Unlike secular office holders, in the case of clergy, depending on rank there is a universally recognised colour denoting rank worldwide. The papal colour in the box for pope was used as a default for popes and no other clergy, because using white was not an option for practical reasons in the box. Bishops wear purple. Because of its universally understood meaning and the fact that it is already a widely used wikipedia colour in unconnected articles it is the colour being used in this box. FearÉIREANN\(caint) 01:52, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

I meant to mention also: the colour used for the pope box was suggested exclusively for Catholic usage. This template is designed to cover bishops irrespective of religion; it allows the name of the religion to be included. I think it would be highly inadvisable to require separate bishop boxes be created for each religion. If you think it too garish (though that has not been the response and this template has been used for months) then we can try to find a lighter version of purple. But some form of purple is a must. FearÉIREANN\(caint) 01:54, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
Which are the other boxes in this scheme? Also, where in standard Wikipedia templates is this colour used? All the colours suggested on Wikipedia:Colours are pale or at most mid-pastel, which seems to be the general practice on most parts of Wikipedia.
I'm not sure I see why using neutral colours here would require different bishop boxes for each church; perhaps you could explain. TSP 02:03, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

I've tried a milder version. As to colours, I presume you don't work much on the technology, sciences and many other pages. The colours being used in most projects are anything but pale or mid-pastel. They use dark greens, bright oranges, bright yellows, rich blues, navys, and a host of other colours. Pastels, TSP, are so last year's colours on WP. lol. Alkali metals use #ff6666!!! FearÉIREANN\(caint) 02:24, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

I like the new colour. Excellent. FearÉIREANN\(caint) 02:26, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

For the record, I called the color garish. This issue came up because a different editor (neither me nor TSP) objected to its use with regard to bishops as undignified. This infobox was only created in June, so it hasn't been used "for months". It's also on only a handful of articles, so it may not have been very noticed. Where was this color discussed, and what precedent is there for using it in biographies? I checked a few infoboxes in Category:People_infobox_templates and found either tan or light blue. If tan is "pope-only", fine. A light purple would probably work, but I don't find white text on dark background very readable. Yes, I know it is used, eg in {{Infobox Artery}}, but that doesn't make it easy to read. Gimmetrow 03:38, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

P.S., note that I am also adding the category. Gimmetrow 03:44, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What happens for Bishops no longer living

I tried to update the template for my use:

|date of birth = {{birth date|1913|2|14}}
|place of birth = [[Oklahoma City, OK]]
|date of death= {{birth date|1969|9|9}}
|place of death= [[Israel]]

but obviously there is no tag for "death date". It would be nice if the "death date" could calculate the age at time of death.

Thoughts? Am I posting this question in the right place?

FYI - the page I'm talking about is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Pike


--RFlynn1000 12:47, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Where can I find the Cardinal infobox?

I'd like to discuss changing to the cardinal infobox. Does anyone know where I can find it? Majoreditor 16:57, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Color change

Okay, can I just say the new background to the names of the fields clashes with the color of the bars in the infobox? Ugh. Any chance of getting a different color or going back to no color? Ealdgyth | Talk 22:45, 13 March 2008 (UTC)