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Font problems

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Hello again. You might want to revise your last edit to this template. If you take a look at Fribourg or Zug, for example, you can see the coordinates are doubled up in the top right corner. I'm not sure what change you were intending to make, so I thought I would drop you a note rather than revert or edit it. Regards, — BillC talk 19:56, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

For some reason, these two articles had coordinates in the article, despite that the infobox template provided them for the article for a long time. The coordinate format pigsonthe added (template:coord) weren't formated in the same way as the ones in the article (template:coor title dm). The only change I made was to correct the font size. -- User:Docu

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This is a bug with the template's use of font-size:90%. Please fix that and do not remove microformat markup as a work-around. Andy Mabbett 21:47, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
As you added the microformat markup afterwards, what do you suggest to fix your additions?
Please add it to Template:Infobox_Swiss_town/Test first, once there is a consensus, we may want to go ahead and add it to the live version.
Unless you suggested improvements, I consider your version 125788442 of 10:13, 2007 April 25 the last uncontroversial one. Unless there is a working improvement on Template:Infobox_Swiss_town/Test, we have to role back on that one. -- User:Docu
Your "have to " is an opinion not a fact. The bug is in the template, not the microformat. Andy Mabbett 10:20, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
Indeed, you don't have to, I will do it myself. Please advise if you fixed coord in the meantime. -- User:Docu
There is nothing in coord to fix. The bug is in the template, not the microformat. Andy Mabbett 11:08, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
Ok, so you wont change the {{coord}} template to work with this infobox. What solution do you suggest? -- User:Docu
Fix the template. Andy Mabbett 08:08, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Ok. Until someone fixes the {{coord}} template, I will restore the last undisputed version of the infobox. It's a bit disappointing that you don't care about the result of your addition. -- User:Docu
You appear not to be reading what I've written: The bug is in the template, not the microformat.. Andy Mabbett 11:04, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
I do, no problem: we will just remove the template from the infobox then. The microformat (vcard) can stay. -- User:Docu

Andy, while I am sure it is desirable to add a microformat to this template, it is unfair for one project to make changes to the template of another, and when adverse results are discovered, to declare it the responsibility of that second project to fix the problem. Can we at least ask you to work with us on Template:Infobox_Swiss_town/Test and resolve this issue? Thank you. — BillC talk 20:30, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Sure. Andy Mabbett 22:40, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. I restored the consensual version. -- User:Docu

Where have the interwiki links gone, and what if we wish to edit or add to them? — BillC talk 22:17, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

They can be edited on the subpage. The font size now isn't the one we agreed on before. I suppose we have to do away with coord to fix this. Maybe Pigsonthewing can work out a proposal on Template:Infobox_Swiss_town/Test. -- User:Docu
You suppose wrongly. Andy Mabbett 22:04, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Andy, I thought you had undertaken to work with us on the test page. This is not in the spirit of cooperative editing. The reduced font size was in the template first, and this template is in use in a very large number of articles, some of which are now not well-formatted. Please tell us what goes wrong when font-size:90% is used in the template. — BillC talk 22:21, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

btw, the font-size was agreed on at Template_talk:Infobox_Swiss_town#Size. -- User:Docu
There are very good reasons, not least those to do with accessibility, why font size should not be set below 100%. It is unreasonable to tell coord to produce text at 90% and then to complain when it does. If you wish for coord to ignore such instructions, please feel free to raise the matter on either its talk page, or that of the user who wrote it; but do not pretend that it is "broken" when it does as it is asked. Andy Mabbett 11:46, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
Pigsonthewing, it worked well before you started playing with it. We even incorporated vcard and coord without problems, so please restore the version we agree on [1]. We can even add the nicely made /doc subpage.
Please tells us if you are still willing to work out a compromise on Template:Infobox Swiss town/Test. -- User:Docu
We' don't agree on that version; and that version does not include coord Andy Mabbett 16:02, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
True there is just "vcard" in this one. Please excuse this.
If you disavow your initial additions, let's go with the February 28 version then. No further additions have been agreed on. -- User:Docu
Okay with me. — BillC talk 16:14, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
"If you disavow your initial additions" - What are you talking about? Andy Mabbett 16:19, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
Just in case we could develop a consensus about your additions at 10:13, 2007 April 25. If you don't agree on them, let's forget about it. -- User:Docu
Once again, I have no idea what you mean. Andy Mabbett 11:06, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
We are just trying to locate the last version that is not controversial. That's all. -- User:Docu
No-one is "pretending" anything. Please refrain from such language. — BillC talk 15:23, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
Yes, they are. Andy Mabbett 16:02, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Update requests

Vcard

Can we add vcard? I made at test version at Template:Infobox_Swiss_town/Test which displays with the information from Aarau at Template talk:Infobox_Swiss_town/Test. To test some of its feature, one may need to use the "operator" add-on on Firefox.

Please edit the test version to make it work better. Once we agree on the stable version, we can use it for the live version, updating the 2000+ articles. -- User:Docu

There's no need. hCard (which is what I think you meant) is already in the template, though you keep trying to remove it. Your test implementation, unlike that on the actual template, is broken. Andy Mabbett 11:05, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
Can you explain what needs fixing? -- User:Docu
On the current template? Nothing. Andy Mabbett 13:40, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
If it's ok with you, I will post it then. -- User:Docu
What do you mean, "post it" ? Andy Mabbett 21:26, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
In note that the template has again been reverted, with no explanation, and no answer to the above. Andy Mabbett 10:00, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
By proposing to post the test version to the live version, I mean to suggest replacing the current, consensual version (see BillC above), with a new, consensual version. Do you understand what I mean? -- User:Docu
Thank you for your belated response. I think I understand what you mean. I don't think you're correct, though. As I said above, your hCard mark-up is not valid and in any case, there's no need for it. Andy Mabbett 12:52, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
I note that you have now removed the microformat mark-up completely, without even mentioning that you were planning to do so, or what you thought was wrong with it. Please reinstate it. Andy Mabbett 15:23, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
Docu ignored the above, so I reverted, to restore the hCard microformat. He has immediately reverted me, with the edit summary "(rv pigs' (stop this; no explanation given on talk)''". My name remains, Andy Mabbett 20:08, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Still no answer. I therefore intend to restore the version with the hCard microformat markup in the near future. Andy Mabbett 16:48, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

As your initial attempt had some problems, it was suggested that you to make a test version. On May 1, you agree to this, but, as of June 10, you still haven't edited /Test yet. You didn't even bother helping with the test version I made for you. Make a working prototype and I will have a look at it. -- User:Docu

I made no such agreement. Please identify the problems you think exist, explicitly. I have already explained why your test version was redundant. I do not have to submit my edits to you in draft. Andy Mabbett 17:23, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
Supposedly it was someone else using the username "Pigsonthewing". -- User:Docu
Rather than making cryptic or snide comments, perhaps you could state, clearly, what you think is wrong with the template which you have, once again, reverted? Andy Mabbett 21:26, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
I waited 16 days for an answer to the preceding question, When none came, I re-added {{coord}}, only for it to be removed once again, this time with the edit summary "the font problem is still there/try to get it working on /Test first". In the light of earlier conversations, I am still none the wiser as to what this means or why the edit was reverted. Andy Mabbett 08:47, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Pigsonthewing, please excuse, but we can't leave the misformed version on the articles. To visualize changes, there is the test version.
The font problem we discussed more than two months ago is still not resolved. Oddly, you acknowledged the font problem back then [[2], but told us that it's for everyone else to fix.
As for the addition of "vcard" as a class, I left on the template. -- User:Docu
Oh that. What I actually said was "This is a bug with the template's use of font-size:90%. Please fix that and do not remove microformat markup as a work-around.". That remains unchanged. I did fix it, but you reverted that also. Andy Mabbett 10:56, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
@Pigsonthewing, can you do a working version on test so there is a way to check if/how you fixed it? -- User:Docu
The various versions which you have reverted have all been working. Andy Mabbett 11:24, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
So why don't you provide us with a (working) test version? -- User:Docu
Because I've already provided more than one working live version. This discussion is utterly fruitless; if you want this infobox without parsable or user-configurable coordinates, have it that way. Andy Mabbett 17:00, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Transclusion of doc subpage

There is now a subpage at Template:Infobox_Swiss_town/doc which is generally used to transclude documentation and interwiki about the template. Looking at an old version [3], the coordinates of the sample collide with the ones used in the template. Shall we keep it there or leave the sample to this talk page? -- User:Docu

Documentation belongs on /doc, not /talk. Andy Mabbett 11:05, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
What are you going to do about the colliding coordinates? -- User:Docu
Pigonthewing, shall we note that you didn't respond or do you only respond after people undid your edits? -- User:Docu
I didn't notice your earlier message; I'm happy to answer now: nothing. My name remains, Andy Mabbett 12:52, 17 May 2007 (UTC)