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[edit] Discussion from WT:MMA

Good start. Most of the fields should be made optional (ie, it doesn't show up if it doesn't have a value). I would remove the "other information" section, listing of family members has WP:BLP issues and much of that other stuff is irrelevant. Also, isn't stance implied within style? It's redundant for boxers, that's for sure. hateless 21:35, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

I like it, and will make most of it optional. I also believe "stance" refers to orthodox/southpaw. east.718 at 22:12, 10/23/2007

All of it is optional. I had stance and reach in for boxers and style (fighting style) for MMA and kickboxing guys who come from various backgrounds. About the familiy section, it was meant for only the notables, likes of Laila Ali, Klitchko brothers, Gracies etc. thx for your feedback. (Marty Rockatansky 01:44, 24 October 2007 (UTC))

Could you please refrain from adding it to any pages for now? Let's perfect the template first, then I'll have my bot sweep through all instances of {{MMAstatsbox}}, {{Infobox Boxer}}, and {{Infobox Kickboxer}}. east.718 at 03:08, 10/24/2007

This looks awsome Eastside. you definitely know how to tweak it. it starts looking like the most complete infobox i've seen here in WikiP. How do you "pot sweep" if you don't mind if i ask?(Marty Rockatansky 07:23, 24 October 2007 (UTC))

I have a WP:BOT that can replace all instances of the old templates by itself. east.718 at 12:21, 10/24/2007

...and I've taken Ray Sefo live. east.718 at 16:04, 10/24/2007

i think height, weight and reach should use the same conversion tool. don't see a reason why not. ... oh ok i saw what u did. got confused little bit coz the weight wasn't registering.(Marty Rockatansky 08:07, 25 October 2007 (UTC))

Whats your thoughts about including Olympic Medals in boxing or wrestling. it belongs under amateur career section. example Wladimir Klitschko, Rulon Gardner. i like their short template what they have right now, but visually wu be cool to add that up as well. make it like the last little section under amateur career. (Marty Rockatansky 09:57, 25 October 2007 (UTC))

The Olympic medal templates are far more profilic though... and the only I see with this is that all boxers will have to have their articles updated by humans (for the Olympic templates at least). If it were up to me, I'd first phase out the other four martial arts templates, then work on this. east.718 at 13:55, 10/25/2007

i wouldn't add on k-1sport.de as an official rec. source. they are one of the most conclusive for K-1 fights but not for fighters full kickboxing record. unfortunately there is none compared to sherdog and boxrec. at the end of the day K-1 is still only a company, like UFC, not a sport itself. (Marty Rockatansky 20:03, 25 October 2007 (UTC))

Thoughts about adding Ethnicity: Maori. for Ray Sefo example. i'd place it next under Nationality.

OK, I'll remove k-1sport.de. Also, I'd avoid ethnicity, I have no doubt that it would cause forest fires on every page where it is remotely contentious. east.718 at 01:51, 10/26/2007

[edit] Integrating mixed martial artist/pro wrestler statboxes?

Should this template be expanded to include the pro wrestling statbox information? Right now, some MMA/pro wrestlers have the mma box ([Brock Lesnar]) and some have the pro wrestling box ([Giant Silva]). On the other hand, perhaps integrating them is inappropriately implying some kind of parity between legit fightsports and pro wrestling. I dunno. Thoughts? gnfnrf 17:25, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

The only difference I see is that {{Infobox Wrestler}} has two extra fields for billed weight and height. I'll get in touch with WP:PW. east.718 at 20:32, 10/26/2007

yeah why not if theres only two fields different. I wud like to add real wrestling too, along with various different styles, like sambo, these are all amateur circuits and would fit under Amateur career section. Maybe we need to make amateur section a little more specific. I don't know... But for sure some arts like sumo, (see Akebono Taro) or karate have very specific stats and should stay separate. (Marty Rockatansky 21:09, 26 October 2007 (UTC))

Talk about an overly bloated infobox. I think the wrestling infobox should stay seperate as they don't really share much common info (it would be like wanting all athletes to have one infobox rather than having one for the NFL, one for the NBA, etc). As for Brock Lesnar, he should have a wrestling infox primarily since he's been a wrestler for about 6 years and only recently got into MMA (and has only had 1 fight) and have a mini-MMA infobox elsewhere in the article. TJ Spyke 21:41, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

pro wrestling is not a martial art itself, more like a "Sport entertainment". i think as well it's about time to draw the line somewhere. (Marty Rockatansky 22:10, 26 October 2007 (UTC))

(ec) I don't think it's bloated, it only seems that way because of the vast number of fields available. Take a look at Template:Infobox Martial artist/Test case for an example of how lightweight it is: it presents the same amount of information with less formatting and clutter. east.718 at 22:16, 10/26/2007

Personally i think this template is pretty much complete, just wanted to know whats the update can we start adding it on (Marty Rockatansky 07:08, 4 November 2007 (UTC))

Nah, I think some intangible elements are kind of ugly and squished together... I'm going to try playing with the formatting in the next couple of days. east.718 at 07:10, 11/4/2007

Alright you're the boss. (Marty Rockatansky 11:09, 4 November 2007 (UTC))

[edit] line of title

Hello, I'm User:Watermint who've participated in WP:Boxing. I feel this template is very suitable and very convenient. I'd like to use when it can use. BTW, if possible, how about adding the line of an acquisition title? --W/mint^-Talk- 14:59, 28 November 2007 (UTC)