Template talk:Infobox Christian denomination

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[edit] Additional Parameters

Could we have a few variations of separated_from and separations? I have just placed this template on the Reformed Presbyterian Church of Australia article. It became independent of the Reformed Presbyterian Church of Ireland, but I wouldn't call that a schism. Could we either have a different parameter for the independence of a daughter denomination, or pipe the seperation link to a more appropriate article?

This template has also been placed on the Presbyterian Church of Australia article. This denomination was formed by the federation of Presbyterian churches in each of Australia's states. Could we have a box for constituent churches when there has been a merger or federation? Blarneytherinosaur talk 03:17, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

I can confirm that it's not a schism; see Reformed Presbyterian Church (denominational group)
-- TimNelson 04:23, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I've added a parameter, parent, for those that simply branched off of another (It displays as Branched from). I used schism in the link as the article about that reads: "a division or a split, usually in an organization or a movement." I can't find any other article to link to, any suggestions? Religion is not my strong point here. I've also added "merger" which dispays as Merge of. I hope this is what you are asking for. I've updated the example on the documentation to reflect this. Mr.Z-mantalk¢ 04:27, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
I'd say there's no obvious article for "Branched from". The reason Schism is so well documented is that it generally indicates a disagreement, and is therefore talked about fairly often, whereas the other forms of branching tend to just be for administrative convenience, so are not the subject of a great deal of discussion, and what discussion there is is usually not thought to be worth preserving, unlike in the case of schism. IOW, you did the right thing :).
-- TimNelson 04:32, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
There is now an article on Church union. Just started it, and there's a lot more work to be done, but I don't have the time right at the moment. But it can be the link for Merger of. StAnselm 04:52, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
Thanks Mr.Z-man. The new parameters are just what I wanted. Perhaps the new Church union article should be mentioned at WikiProject Christianity? Blarneytherinosaur talk 04:58, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

I added two new subsections, "Humanitarianism" and "School system" with appropriate entries underneath, as well as a ministers tag. I am not an expert template coder - please feel free to improve on these changes or reword anything. Colin MacLaurin 16:24, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Could add an "orphanages" parameter. Possibly also "publishing houses" and "budget". Unfortunately, the infobox is getting quite long. Colin MacLaurin 20:02, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion and merging

Hi. I developed Template:Infobox Calvinist Denomination Which is fairly similar to this one. It seems to me that that's now redundant. I'd like to merge that template into this one.

Creation of a template along the lines of this one is currently under discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Christianity#Infoboxes and Templates. I'm going to recommend that all discussion of this particular template be brought here, but I think those here will be interested in the other templates that are currently under discussion at the above link.

Another relevant template is Template:Infobox church created by Nate Bailey. It's also under discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Christianity#Infobox for churches.

-- TimNelson 04:23, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

As I'm really not all that familiar with the specifics of different denominations of Christians, I'm really not the best person to continue updating this. If anyone wishes to try to update it, the code is borrowed from Template:Infobox Company (it's a little old but it works). The general way to add a new parameter is as follows:
-->{{#if:{{{param|}}} | <tr><th style="text-align:right; padding-right:0.75em;">Text to be displayed</th><td>{{{param}}}</td></tr>}}<!--
If adding a param under the Statistics part (beginning now with "Congregations"), please add the param to the line that activates the Statistics heading:
-->{{#if:{{{congregations|}}}{{{members|}}}{{{newparam|}}}|<tr><th style="text-align:center; padding-right:2em; font-size:120%;">Statistics</th></tr>}}<!--
-- Mr.Z-mantalk¢ 04:36, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
Ok, I'll take responsibility for the actual editing from here on (unless someone else wants to make changes; they can go ahead). Thanks!
-- TimNelson 04:49, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Historic Denominations

It seems that at present, the template doesn't have a good place for describing the termination of a denomination.

I'm thinking specifically of 2 denominations that I'd like to add the box to:

(1) The United Presbyterian Church in the United States of America, which was founded in 1958 when the United Presbyterian Church of North America merged with the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.). The UPCUSA ceased to exist in 1983, when it merged with the current Presbyterian Church in the United States to form the present-day PCUSA.

(2) To add another wrinkle: the Cumberland Presbyterian Church divided from the PCUSA in 1810, but in 1906, the majority (though not all) of the Cumberland congregations rejoined the PCUSA. So, Cumberland continues as a denomination, but it would be misleading for the infobox to not include some indication of the 1906 departure of the majority of Cumberland's congregations.

Adam_sk 05:11, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Today's PC(USA) is the first with that name

The present-day large Presbyterian denomination is called the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.), abbreviated PC(USA). The church formed in 1788 was the Presbyterian Church in the United States of America, abbreviated PCUSA.[1] davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 20:19, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Added imagewidth parameter

Some logos are less than 200px and look bad. I added a new imagewidth parameter with a default value of 200px. While you can use values > 200px, you shouldn't. I updated the documentation to reflect this.

If there is a standard way of getting an image to show at its native size or 200px, whichever is lower, please incorporate that into this template and deprecate the imagewidth parameter. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 03:43, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Distinct fellowships?

What are others' opinions regarding the proposed addition of a 'Distinct Fellowships' field? This would allow groupings within a church to be listed – not quite the same thing as 'Separations'. See Churches of Christ for an example. —Adavidb 12:18, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

With no comment after a week, I went ahead and added the additional field, and will update the above example to make use of it. The documentation page is updated as well. —Adavidb 05:02, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Merged In"?

I propose adding a "Merged In" field for denominations that have "absorbed" other denominations while maintaining their identity. One example is the Presbyterian Church in America, formed in 1973. In 1982, the Reformed Presbyterian Church Evangelical Synod merged into the PCA, but this merger did not produce a new denomination. The PCA simply grew from the receiving of RPCES congregations. raekwon 16:16, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Sounds good, but what's the best term for this? Is there a preferred one? "Absorbed" would be a possibility, but probably "merged in" would be better. Colin MacLaurin 02:24, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Leader field

I've begun adding this to some of the larger denominations, many of which are episcopal in polity and thus have a single, identifiable leader (e.g. the Pope for the Roman Catholic Church). Can we add a "leader" field with a variable title (like head_label and head in Template:Infobox University) so that this might be reflected in the box? Lockesdonkey (talk) 01:33, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

I would also like a leader field. Joshuajohanson (talk) 22:43, 28 January 2008 (UTC)