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[edit] Whistleblower: InfraGard members given permission to shoot to kill

To add to article: [1]. Badagnani (talk) 19:22, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

The "shoot to kill" permission claim is nonsense. See http://lippard.blogspot.com/2008/02/tinfoil-hat-brigade-generates-fear.html Lippard (talk) 02:54, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

jim - AFAIK, in principle you should get your reply published in a WP:RS or find some other "reliable source" to support your claim that the shoot to kill policy for InfraGard members is false. Sooner or later a wikipedian may decide that your blog reply is not reliable enough. It's not my policy, it's community policy. For the moment, the reference to your blog will probably survive until someone decides that s/he is unhappy with it. Boud (talk) 17:00, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure who put it into the article, I just put it here for discussion. Ah, I see you did. I expect there will be some other media attention as a result of the Progressive article, and a followup with the sources cited in that article. Lippard (talk) 03:54, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bias?

This whole article, especially the last several paragraphs, reads like an ad for the program. Aaronlib (talk) 21:42, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree. How can this be appropriate for a Wikipedia article? No references at all, it sounds like it was concocted by FBI employees. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.148.103.128 (talk) 21:58, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Not exactly as nefarious as 'concocted by FBI employees' - it's a case of some Wiki editor being stupid enough to directly copy and paste the 'About' section on the InfraGard page. --Joffeloff (talk) 13:01, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Uh, I was talking about content, not who did it. Your theory is that the content WAS written by the FBI, which clearly violates policy on bias. If a Wiki editor cut and paste it, they ought to lose their editing privileges. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.44.40.128 (talk) 15:00, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

So if we don't do some proper work on the page, we'll all get shot as dangerous lazy good-for-nothings when martial law is declared :P. Boud (talk) 17:02, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

The FBI has posted a response. I'm not wiki format educated, so someone may want to look this over and cite. http://www.infragard.net/press/2008/progressive_article_response_v2.pdf —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.196.151.191 (talk) 07:50, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] reliable source

quoting: "Blogger Jim Lippard stated in his blog that he has been a "member of the Phoenix InfraGard Members Alliance for years" and denied the "shoot to kill" authorisation, stating that 'InfraGard members get no special "shoot to kill" or law enforcement powers of any kind'.[2]" This reference is self-published. And doesn't seem to satisfy WP:RS. What is needed is a reliable third party source quoting Lippard, not Lippard quoting himself. I move we remove this sentence. de Bivort 20:12, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

9 days since I brought this up - I'll remove that soon, unless someone provides an objection. de Bivort 20:24, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree that's appropriate. You can now refer directly to the FBI's statement of response (available on the InfraGard website) as well as the UPI story that's now listed in the article. Lippard (talk) 21:07, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Some other media coverage: