Talk:Infante Juan, Count of Barcelona

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Juan Carlos. Wow. What a guy. I love Juan Carlos. By the way, I have no idea what I am talking about. I'm just a bored student waiting for my classes to start and trying to find out the full name of King Juan Carlos of Spain for my Spanish III Honors class. Hmm...I can't seem to find the information. Will somebody please tell me? Because I would be greatly indebted to you. Thank you very much.

Love, Amanda

  who is bored
and wants school
     to end

Dear Amanda,

It's "Juan Carlos de Borbon y Borbon", or possibly "Juan Carlos Alfonso Victor Maria de Borbon y Borbon". We are not a homework service. Your mission, should you accept it, is to write a proper article here on Juan de Borbon.

Sincerely,

The Wikipedia


Jeez. We had a mediocre stub here half an hour ago. Now look at it! :-) FearÉIREANN 04:29 20 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Is this the proper title for this article? That is, should the surname be used. Should it just be "Juan, Count of Barcelona"? john k 16:28, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)

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[edit] Explain the heir line

There should be some explanation of how the fourth son became heir apparent. Mention the Carlists that recognized Juan, too.

There also needs to be more detail -- when was Juan in the Royal Navy? Where was he born? Educated? Died? And a full article is needed on his wife, the present king's mother. (I'm not sufficiently knowledgeable in recent Spanish history to want to take this on.) --Michael K. Smith 21:02, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ancestor infobox

Cosmos666 has added a box which shows Juan's four grandparents and eight great-grandparents. This is certainly not usual for an encylopedia article (indeed, often not for a full-length book about the subject). I suggest removal. If not, what are the limits to this? Noel S McFerran 04:09, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

  • I added the infobox to make the article comply with the others spanish sovereigns. I was in doubt if it was necessary for the count of Barcelona since he was never king. Ultimately if the infobox is too much, remove it.--Cosmos666 22:47, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

The ancestor infobox has an error, showing Wilhelmina of Baden where Julie von Hauke, Princess of Battenberg, should have been shown as the wife of Alexander of Hesse. I hope that the ancestry-box remains. It's helpful in tracing familial relationships among the various royal families, presents useful information in a concise format, and provides quick links to other biographies on Wikipedia. Thanks. a.windemere@gmail.com

[edit] title seems wrong

"Count of Barcelona" is not a noble title for a junior member of a royal family, like, say, "Prince of Asturias," or "Duke of Cadiz." It is one of the titles of the King of Spain, and by using it, Juan was claiming that he was de jure King of Spain. It seems inappropriate to combine this title with "Infante," which implies a junior status. john k 04:07, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

I would just let it be. It is a special situation (the Count was buried as John III of Spain, apparently) but the King of Spain was the Count's son. The Count renounced his claim to the throne, thereby affirming his status as "just" an Infante. The comital title was later granted to him in an official capacity. Juan Carlos was not giving his father his crown, just confirming a title for him. Charles 04:28, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
Ah yes, I hadn't thought about the post-1978 situation. Probably best just to let it be. john k 22:28, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Succession Box

He renounced his rights on 14 May 1977. So, he was de jure King of Spain until 14 May 1977, even if his son proclaimed himself King of Spain on 22 November 1975. The date of succession box "1975" should be changed to "1977", I think. Motsu 14:24, 31 October 2007 (UTC)