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Radiohead song articles

Hello. I've noticed that you have redirected several Radiohead song articles to their respective album article. I would ask that you refrain from this. Most of the songs you've redirected weren't singles from the band, yet they serve importance to have an article. Examples are "I Might Be Wrong" and "Optimistic". They were released as radio-only singles in some areas, yet they were redirected. Please take caution when you make decisions like these which could spark unnecessary upheaval. I will slowly but surely revert your edits so the songs will have their articles again. In the future please seek consensus to prevent controversy like this. Thanks, and enjoy your Wikibreak. —Imdanumber1 (talk • contribs • email) 10:03, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply.
You have pointed out some things that I haven't known before. Songs are indeed notable as singles because of their public appeal. But some songs are also notable because they have a music video. Sit Down. Stand Up. is an example. Its video appears on TMGLMOAT and their upcoming Best of Radiohead DVD collection. Another example is "Idioteque". That has a video. Songs like this probably should have their own article. But there are other songs that are neither singles or have a music video, but have some importance to have an article. It can get very confusing, however, I'm glad that you contacted me about this before you re-reverted the articles, which possibly could have sparked an unnecessary revert war. I'll admit that I should have contacted you first. However, I think it'd be best that we leave the articles as is for now and not reverting them and instead bring it to WP:SONGS(?) for an outside opinion. But I'll point out that many of the Radiohead song articles need lots of work (cleanup, sources, the whole nine yards). —Imdanumber1 (talk • contribs • email) 22:29, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
I hope you enjoy the Sit Down. Stand Up. video, he he. :) I have mixed feelings whether if the Sit Down. Stand Up. article be redirected. As for "Idioteque", I'm confident that it should have it's own article; it is notable enough for having a music video known to those who watch MTV regularly. The only two Kid A songs that should have articles are "Idioteque" and "Optimistic" (Optimistic was released as a radio-only single in the U.S.). The other Kid A songs that have articles are "The National Anthem", "How to Disappear Completely", "Morning Bell" and "Motion Picture Soundtrack", and those probably don't need articles, although MB may have an exception because there are two versions, the Kid A version and the Amnesiac version, called "Morning Bell/Amnesiac". That song can have its own articles because there are two different versions, and they can both be described in one article to avoid redundancy. This is going to be a very strenuous task to decide what songs deserve an article and which don't. We may need outside opinions to decide this. I don't think it would be easy to take a look at every song on every album, and determine if they should have an article. This is an extreme case. —Imdanumber1 (talk • contribs • email) 00:13, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
Well, let me see:
Picking from the Amnesiac songs, I think we can both agree that "Knives Out", "Pyramid Song" and "I Might Be Wrong" remain. The remainder, which are covered by articles, are the ones hat should be disputed greatly. As for the Sit Down, Stand Up song, I see that after taking a glance at the history, it was created by an IP user, only to be edited later by users who signed up. It has somewhat matured since then, although no significant references were ever added. I believe most of the articles can be "saved" requiring that they get the attention. I will fully discuss this some more later on before the close of the day.
Also, another thing: I will be replying to messages posted on my talk page at that page. Just check there from now on as I find fragmented discussions inconvenient. —Imdanumber1 (talk • contribs • email) 20:43, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I reverted "Optimistic (song) back to its article. I think the #10 showing on the Billboard Modern Rock Tracks chart is sufficent for its stand-alone notability. Billboard page lists every song by Radiohead that charted on a Billboard Chart 14:43, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

According to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Songs#Radiohead song article importance, the user who replied brought up a good point: whether or not the article about the song is a single or not shouldn't be the issue. If the article has an adequate amount of references, then the article can stay. As for Sit Down. Stand Up., that article doesn't have any references, leading to its re-redirection. If we can find some references for songs like those, or songs that do not have an article at all, we can update the information and the articles will be in place again. —Imdanumber1 (talk • contribs • email) 16:57, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Doggystyle FAC

I think i've taken care of your concerns about the CD Universe quotes, is the page Ok now ? - Guerilla In Tha Mist (talk) 15:29, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

One question, is Acclaimed Music a reliable source to use for showing a list of accolades an album has received, instead of using Rocklistmusic ? - Guerilla In Tha Mist (talk) 15:52, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
I've changed the accolades section into a table and added the AcclaimedMusic ref, would you be willing to change your stance from Oppose now ? - Guerilla In Tha Mist (talk) 17:32, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
Sorry to bother you, but I was just wondering if you've had a chance to look back over the article yet ? - Guerilla In Tha Mist (talk) 19:46, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
I responed to your oppose at the FAC, just informing you incase you missed it :) - Guerilla In Tha Mist (talk) 14:43, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Have you had a chance to have another look at the article ? I hate to be a pain, but I think I've taken care of most of your concerns. Also, the only other problem seems to be that it needs a good copy-edit, which i'm trying to get done. - Guerilla In Tha Mist (talk) 19:03, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

grunge

its a pov statement and as been discused to great exstent and everything you described only reinforces what i have said every event that is mentioned in the article took place in 1994 which happends to be in the in the early 90's not mid 90's so stop being a troll--Wikiscribe (talk) 23:31, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

you know as well as i do that nobody breaks down a decade like that thats pov .The real issue here is not prose the issue is article ownership and only wanting a article to say what a click of editiors wants it to say so you and your click just fillibuster any editors who come along with changes you dont like and just complain about grammar,so you are telling me that sentence is the only way to lead the paragraph off?you would have to be kidding me,and dodd had said he could live with the change and said he just didnt like a set date so please stop lieing about prose and grammar being your motive--Wikiscribe (talk) 14:22, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Assistance

Hello, sorry to bother you. I'm having a little trouble with User:Freedom (song) on the Soundgarden album articles. He keeps placing charts into the chart section that I insist aren't notable. These are charts like the Top 40 of a particular country for which the main chart is already listed. Can you check this out? Thanks.-5- (talk) 14:03, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your help!

The Reviewers Award The Reviewers Award
Thanks to your help and review, Sinestro Corps War has reached FA! Keep up the good work! Hemlock Martinis (talk) 18:15, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Soundgarden

No, it could be much better, especially compared to the other FA articles on the "Big Four" grunge bands. I remember a few months back Xihix wanted to turn it into an FA but had trouble finding sources. I remembered that there's a bio from 1994 called New Metal Crown, but that's been out of print for years. Still, it'd need to be looked at in order to assauge comprehensiveness concerns. WesleyDodds (talk) 21:36, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, but I remember an older version where it would list pages by ranking in a nice orderly format. I noticed on that list that certain bands would rank higher than others; when it came to alt-rock, My Chemical Romance, the Chili Peppers, and Green Day were generally the most visited, although Smashing Pumpkins got up there around the time they officially announced their reunion last year. It might be comforting to know that My Chemical Romance still got less visitors than Nirvana (band) last month. WesleyDodds (talk) 08:33, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
I was looking up some stats and was wondering why the articles for Alternative rock and Grunge music spiked unusually on April 22. It took me a few minutes to realize that was the day Pearl Jam was on the Main Page. WesleyDodds (talk) 08:38, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
People were updating Grammy results, from the looks of it. WesleyDodds (talk) 09:01, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

God, no. I hate those things. They make tracklists needlessly complicated. WesleyDodds (talk) 02:37, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

What do you think of creating a composite infobox image for Foo Fighters? We have enough clear images of the current individual bandmembers. WesleyDodds (talk) 09:18, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Important

Are you saying that i'm user:Wellwater Conspiracy cause i'm not. And it's not my fault wellwater conspiracy likes the article User:-5- has written and i set up okay. --Freedom (song) (talk) 13:25, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

If it's so importent for you delete two of supporters okay. --Freedom (song) (talk) 13:33, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Heaven Up Here

Hi Indopug, thanks for your help with the Heaven Up Here article. I'm just a bit curious about some of the repeat references you've removed. If you look on the talk page you'll see that User:Efe who is reviewing the article for the GA nomination has suggested that they (at least some of them) need to be there. Is he likely to fail the nomination now? --JD554 (talk) 16:57, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

What I would to say that all qouted materials must be directly sourced. --Efe (talk) 09:08, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
Tell me if you're done copy editing it. Thank you. --Efe (talk) 09:18, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
Really? All I know is that when a certain sentence have "this", it should be directly sourced. BTW, I thought you'll be back by June. --Efe (talk) 09:20, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
Ok. --Efe (talk) 08:21, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
Heaven Up Here passed the GAN, so though I'd give you a cookie as thanks for all your help. --JD554 (talk) 08:41, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
Heaven Up Here passed the GAN, so though I'd give you a cookie as thanks for all your help. --JD554 (talk) 08:41, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Jeff Buckley

I'm restoring some of the associated acts you removed as per the infobox article "Associated_acts=Acts from which this act spun off; acts which spun off a group act; groups with which an artist performs; other acts with which the act is associated."Sillyfolkboy (talk) 13:39, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

WP:CHART

I've started a thread at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Discographies/style#WP:CHART asking members whether they think WP:CHART should be followed in discographies. Just letting you know for if you want to comment. Regards, Matthewedwards (talk · contribs · count · email) 08:18, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Dorothy the Dinosaur (and me) have given you this beautiful rose in appreciation for your assistance in getting The Wiggles to FA-status. Yoo hoo! and Good on ya, mate! --Figureskatingfan (talk) 03:36, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

TWS

Thanks! I'll use the SP article, as well as the Sex Pistols article since that one looks reeeeally professional. I do listen to a few things that aren't punk or blues actually...I grew up on SP, they got me listening to "different" kinds of music. Still love Gish & Siamese Dream. Anyway though, I think we sould really work hard to get The White Stripes to FA status. I literally know so much about them that if you knew the far-reaching extent to which my 7-year obsession with this band ranges, you'd probably not talk to me at all, LOL. Lastly, I have a question for you: how do I add a pic of myself to my userpage? Thanks. :) —-Tim010987 (talk 4:20 AM, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Very big house

When you want me to add sources to "Country House", let me know. WesleyDodds (talk) 01:27, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

The Allmusic review doesn't say too much about the song's structure. I'll take a look at the John Harris Britpop book; I believe he talked about its cliched Blur Britpop beat, at least. WesleyDodds (talk) 23:25, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Oddly enough my NME Originals: Britpop has neither the review for "Country House" or "Roll With It". Oh, there's three articles and two sidebar features about the Battle of Britpop, but no reviews of the singles. You'd think they'd included something like that. WesleyDodds (talk) 22:53, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Echo & the Bunnymen discography

Hi, I've made a number of changes to Echo & the Bunnymen discography as per your suggestions for the peer review. I'd be grateful if you could give it another look to see if you have any further suggestions. Thanks --JD554 (talk) 12:35, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Paramore

According to WP:LEAD, a lead section should "explain why the subject is interesting or notable". As this band qualifies as a band that "has won or been nominated for a major music award, such as a Grammy, Juno, Mercury or Grammis award.", this a major claim to being notable according to WP:MUSIC. --neonwhite user page talk 14:23, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Metallica

Put Metallica's tours in the template Template:Metallica tours which redirects to template Metallica, don't just disappear them!-- Rockk3r Spit it Out! 02:10, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Fightin'

I'm going to start moving to the "Musical style" section on Foo Fighters, so if you could check out what I've done with the rest of the article so far and tweak here or there that would be much appreciated. WesleyDodds (talk) 08:57, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Madonna reassessment

I have replied to your comment/concern. --Realist2 (Come Speak To Me) 21:31, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Watching a video on VH1 Classic right now . . .

You know what I'd like to fix up someday? Led Zeppelin. My main concern is the amount of sources I'd have to dig through to refresh my memory on things and to use as suitable reference material. WesleyDodds (talk) 06:06, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

No; I've never even seen it in stores. I'm assuming it's a UK-only release. WesleyDodds (talk) 08:48, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
And no fucking way is Coda a studio album. Haven't they heard of an "odds 'n sods" collection before? They must be friends with the people who change the Nirvana infoboxes to include Incesticide as a studio album. WesleyDodds (talk) 08:50, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

On a semi-related note, Black Sabbath is rather long (81kb), but skimming through it it's remarkably focused and doesn't really go into unnecessary detail. I'm trying to think of ways to trim it, if it can be done at all. I think the legacy section is the weakest part right now, and the musical style section in need of some serious expansion. WesleyDodds (talk) 10:09, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

By the way, I asked JD554 replace the everyhit/chartstats UK chart refs in some of the featured discographies with references from a book he has. That should quell some major sourcing issues. WesleyDodds (talk) 21:34, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Got an album to recommend for this month's newsletter? Something good but not outrageously obvious. WesleyDodds (talk) 11:42, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
I'll roll with that. WesleyDodds (talk) 11:55, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

I think Hammer of the Gods mentions something. Sharon Osbourne pushes the myth that Sabbath emerged fully formed from the ether with no precedent, but I wouldn't be surprised if the musicians in the band respected Zeppelin. I believe I read once that Tony Iommi is a Zep fan. WesleyDodds (talk) 22:01, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

By the way, one of my pet peeves: The Beatles are primarily a rock band. People act as if there are tons of harmonies and hooks in in your songs you aren't "rock" enough. That just means you are really good at writing vocal melodies. WesleyDodds (talk) 22:14, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Random list of rock band FAs, more or less in order of when they released their first albums: Pink Floyd, Genesis, Rush, AC/DC, Sex Pistols, Motorhead, Joy Division, U2, R.E.M., Metallica, Slayer, Pixies, Nirvana, Nine Inch Nails, Alice in Chains, Uncle Tupelo, The Smashing Pumpkins, Pearl Jam, Radiohead, Stereolab, Tool, Silverchair, Wilco, Powederfinger, Opeth, New Radicals, Godsmack, Audioslave, Damageplan. WesleyDodds (talk) 22:38, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
I know Genesis passed an FAC over a year ago. Or maybe it was Phil Collins. WesleyDodds (talk) 22:59, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
I remember looking at that page a while ago and it saying "pop rock" or the like (currently going through Pink Floyd revision history). WesleyDodds (talk) 23:15, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Ok, here's the version of Pink Floyd promoted back in February 2006. WesleyDodds (talk) 23:18, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

That lead sucks so hard . . . WesleyDodds (talk) 08:45, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

When "Hey Jude" was up for FAR, no one stepped up to fix it up. It was about to be removed until Ceoil suggested the two of us work on it. Reading all the Beatles books on my university library shelf was certainly taxing. WesleyDodds (talk) 19:26, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Random: Why does the Gandhi article list his middle name in the title? WesleyDodds (talk) 20:42, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

As a dirty godless American, we only need to say "Mohandas Gandhi" for people to know what we are talking about. WesleyDodds (talk) 20:56, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Not everyone can pull off a mullet. WesleyDodds (talk) 00:28, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

That Mary Chain picture should go into the article ASAP. The R.E.M. one could be better, but it's nice to have an image of when Michael Stipe had hair. And is this not a great Prince photo? WesleyDodds (talk) 00:31, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

PR

Hey boy, "Deja Vu" in on PR right now: Wikipedia:Peer review/Déjà Vu (Beyoncé song)/archive2. Thank you. --Efe (talk) 08:44, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey! Could you re-visit Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Baby Boy (song)? Thanks. --Efe (talk) 10:07, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Do you have more concerns? Please check the FAC page, I left comments there. Thanks. --Efe (talk) 01:52, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Janet Jackson

Hey, take a look at the JJ talk page. Consider putting the article on your watchlist to keep up to date with the dialogue, your input would be great, cheers. — Realist2 (Come Speak To Me) 21:25, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

There are a few more dubious links that i have brought up at the madonna reassessment if you wouldnt mind vetting as a more experienced editer. Cheers. --— Realist2 (Come Speak To Me) 00:22, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

I discussed it on the admin noticeboard, im to take the links to Jayron32 when I have finished to be wiped off the site. Cheers. --— Realist2 (Come Speak To Me) 20:32, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Here, if Jayron cant handle it he wont mind passing it on the the relevant body. Im gonna AGF on your part that you didnt think i was wildly removing stuff because of my taste in music, id like to think I have a little more respect off the community than that. — Realist2 (Come Speak To Me) 20:39, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

I might do when im finished, at the moment im just trying to get through the 18 archives, you can help me if you like, start from 18 and work your way down. Its so much fun. — Realist2 (Come Speak To Me) 20:45, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Strapping Young Lad

Hi! Could you please take one last big look at the article, Strapping Young Lad, if you happen to have free time. It's a FAC again, and now the only concern is with references, but I'm slowly taking care of it, so just look at other stuff, grammar and things like that. By the way, thanks for the cake!:) Gocsa (talk) 12:43, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Alternative music newsletter

The Alternative music WikiProject Newsletter
Issue 14 - May 2008
"I go to a fucking office and I write. I'm not one of these dickheads who opens a beer, high fives his mates and opens his mouth and shit pours out, which he then writes on a beer mat. It doesn't come easy."- Nick Cave
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Don't bother, forget it, pay no heed

I think that after literally years of work, I should get serious about getting Nevermind ready for a GA nom. In terms of prose, I really only need to fill out the Music and Legacy sections. Could you help cite the chart positions, borrowing liberally from Nirvana discography? If you have any questions about the prose, ask away; I sourced most everything myself. WesleyDodds (talk) 07:48, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

In a sense, yes, but Michael Azerrad specifically mentions "Sliver" as the key change in Nirvana's sound, and Kurt Cobain did as well. WesleyDodds (talk) 08:12, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Quick answer

I don't think I have (at least none that I've noticed). I'm pretty sure that Everyhit is accurate, or at least as accurate as any source is. And for anything from 2006 onwards it seems to be the only source there is. --JD554 (talk) 13:45, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Past Masters, Volume One article

Please explain the deletion of the LP album cover of the Past Masters Volumes One and Two LP. The album cover has formal fair use rationale included. The CD version was issued as two separate CDs. The LP version was released as a combined double LP. Steelbeard1 (talk) 18:06, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

There was a discussion to make the double LP a separate article, but it was rejected in consensus. There are different release dates as the separate CDs were released before the double LP. The inclusion of the double LP sleeve was part of the compromise. Steelbeard1 (talk) 10:39, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

The requested info was inserted. Should a new spinoff proposal be made for the double LP? Steelbeard1 (talk) 16:15, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Still waiting for answer about spinning off double LP into a separate article. Steelbeard1 (talk) 19:05, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

The Arise article

indopug, I'll adress the issues you've brought up in due time, although I have to say that the tone of your judgement on the quality of this article ("I'm not convinced this is anywhere near GA status" or "doesn't even resemble a professional tone of writing") seems harsh and unecessary. Maybe a bit more of constructive criticism next time? Musicaindustrial (talk) 20:18, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for your input! Musicaindustrial (talk) 01:32, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

FAQ

Oh, jikes, cheers, ill take note. I was pointed to the Bob Dylan article myself my someone working on the elvis article. I took it at face value, saw the star and ashumed it was good. I should know better than that having just put the Supremes article up for FAR lol. --— Realist2 (Come Speak To Me) 17:03, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi, earlier you took the part about wives and children out of the MJ lead. The article does donate quite some time to these issues and they are a significant controversy in MJ's life. Is there a reason that you didnt think it note worthy enough for the lead? Should the lead have clarified their controversial significance perhaps? --— Realist2 (Come Speak To Me) 22:15, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I will think on, im trying to keep the lead neutral so negative aspects shouldnt be removed if possible. Ill see how it goes, if I readd it, ill clarify its reasoning. Cheers. --— Realist2 (Come Speak To Me) 22:28, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Another question, the new picture seems to be getting the thumbs up. I was wondering if there was anyway to make the background completely black, to get rid of that annoying green shirt. Or would that be photoshop? — Realist2 (Come Speak To Me) 22:57, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

MJ is always leaning forward for no apparent reason. see here. ;-) — Realist2 (Come Speak To Me) 23:07, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

AMG on Madonna

It collects personal info and is not all that reliable. So Billboard is needed. But I haven't put back the numbers

Wish You Were Here (Pink Floyd album)

I saw that you took out details on the tracks, as well as details on the 8 track. I understand that it's good to reduce clutter, but I think there are some necessary details there (especially regarding the 8 track, as there is additional music on it that's not available on the CD/Cassette/Vinyl releases). Jrclark (talk) 22:59, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

UP & RUNNING!!!

This user is a member of the
Janet Jackson WikiProject.


Glad to see all the enthusiasm, all further questions should now be delt with at the Project talk page here where we will discuss our first tasks. Put the project on your watchlist, add the badge to your user page by pasting {{Wikipedia:WikiProject Janet Jackson/Userbox}} .Then add your name on the user project page here. — Realist2 (Come Speak To Me) 00:26, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Pearl Jam discography

I checked the total number of live albums and official bootlegs again and it comes out to 251. There's the six live albums listed on the discography page, 72 official bootlegs from 2000, 72 official bootlegs from 2003, and 101 digital bootlegs from 2005 and 2006. I'll go ahead and put it up for nomination.-5- (talk) 03:47, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

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