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[edit] Location maps

Thanks for your comments! No, I don't have any other location maps ready yet. I did start on Sumatra and Sulawesi, though, but I still need to regenerate them with better data. BTW, the resolution of the data I'm working with is 90 m - I had to downgrade it by a factor of 6 for Java maps. So I could make location maps for much smaller islands, too. I'm going to create few "real" topographic maps for some of the smaller islands (e.g. Flores, Sumba) and could do location maps for them as well. There probably would be little/no use for them, though. – Sadalmelik 11:15, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] External links on Suppressor article

I have restored the links section on the Suppressor article; you're right that there are questions about WP:SPAM and WP:EL, but I'd prefer that it be discussed some on the article talk page before it's completely removed like that. Thanks. Georgewilliamherbert 21:43, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Why.......?

Hey Man, would you give one reason why your knaife so sharp to cut every bit of what have I'm done in Bengkalis Regency....? Nice to know you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Me iwan (talk • contribs) 00:22, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removed link

I don't understand... Forgive me, but I added a link on the "Dirty Dancing" page in good faith to very well regarded wiki style non-commerical site that contains lots of information and you removed it immediately --whilst leaving utter commerical dreck like this link intact(http://www.movieweb.com/movies/film/38/3638/summary.php/)???? Did you even check the link?

UPDATE: I only added it as you were mis-attributing an important quote on the movie's success to two sources that had taken it from another writer in 2001. I also notice that you removed the reference. This was a perfectly legitimate affort to contribute. No wonder good editors are leaving. I added several links because I am a frequent vistor to that site and very much appreciate their totally non-commercial stance with no ads, no agenda and everyone can contribute. I couldn't believe that they (as an important contributor to the genre) weren't listed anywhere whereas so much commercial dreck was... Thats all. Sorry, but this was my first effort at contributing and I feel that you were a little hasty in your judgement... Thanks again. Fanpot 16:17 4 September 2007 (GMT)

[edit] Be my guest?

What is that supposed to mean? Can we please address the issue?

Yes, I posted 3 links to an important non-commercial resource from 3 relevant pages. 3, not 3 hundred for heavens sake. But No, I am not a link spammer. And no, you didn't *check* their validity.

I've spent a significant portion of my time this afternoon learning how to contribute before posting and I point you to the following wiki editor guidelines relevant in this situation: (from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Assume_good_faith)

1) Unless there is strong evidence to the contrary, assume that people who work on the project are trying to help it, not hurt it.

2) If criticism is needed, discuss editors' actions, but it is not ever necessary nor productive to accuse others of harmful motives.

I'm not being funny, but, should I just cancel my account and accept that this is a closed community line DMOZ, where new members are far from welcome to try and help or correct issues? I don't want to waste your time or mine, so honest answers are appreciated. Thanks in anticipation.Fanpot 16:25, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Thanks for your latest reply. :)

Obviously being accused of being a spammer was *very* annoying after I'd just spent *ages* trying to figure out how to contribute properly, --but, upon relection I realised that it must be very difficult in your position, so I hope we can chalk this up to my experience and that I may now be able to start fresh and contribute something positive? :)

That said, I have taken your advice and posted to two of the discussion pages of the pages where I tried to contribute. Any further advice you can give would very much be appreciated :)

Can I ask you to please consider reviewing your decisions to delete all my contributions? If I have to go through a proposal stage for every update, it will be a very long and frustrating process (it seems) or is this just the way it works?

Thanks again :) Fanpot 16:35, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RE:Bali

Sorry - just realized :-) --Bencomplain 07:14, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks again :-)

I have had a few experiences of so called "community" sites where the concept is very good, but the reality was a hidden agenda that excluded all but the priviliged few. Wiki seems different and it probably is down to the efforts of people like yourself so, as I said, I understand that it must be hard to seperate the "wheat from the chaff". Thanks again for your help and understanding :-) Fanpot 08:33, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bengkalis

Hey Man, Look at the article's history at 25 November 2006: [1]. You did cut my own work from years ago, you know that. So what i'm done to that article is only make rollover it to my work from last year.

— Me_iwan (reply) — 10:07, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Combat Revolution

My changes to my talk page about my mod were removed...Im just wonderng why... I added detailed information about my mod such as file type, download type, size, genre, etc...Apparently Vandalism?

I was under the impression that the creator of the mod, and the page would be correct about its contents...Im not likely to vandilise my own mods page --Sgt. D. Pilla 00:58, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


I just recieved your reply...
I just realized that you created that page, but please don't put your user name and signature on the article space. Please read WP:MOS on how to edit articles in Wikipedia. — Indon (reply) — 00:47, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
Does this mean I may edit back in what was removed, minus my username and signiture and certain emphasis?--Sgt. D. Pilla 00:58, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
Yes you may, and please do not use first person in the article. This is an encyclopaedia, not a report, and please be as neutral as possible. Cheers. — Indon (reply) — 01:00, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
I have just re-edited the article, and re-wrote as a report...Please inform me (when you get a free moment) if any further editing is required to conform with Wikipedia's Guidelines --Sgt. D. Pilla 01:25, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] huh

Why did you remove my comment from Postoaks talkpage? stop being an ignorant fool. --Smerit Blandereichen 00:54, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

You are only doing this because you hate me, If all else fails, I'll complain to Jimbo. That'll shut you up --Smerit Blandereichen 00:57, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


Policies are only guidelines! Unless they support my position, in which case they are, of course, set in stone --Smerit Blandereichen 01:00, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Also, see Wikipedia:Ignore All Rules --Smerit Blandereichen 01:02, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


[edit] .

You, who's supporting my opponent (User:SatuSuro) is either a puppet or a friend called in to help. After all, could more than one person oppose my natural good sense? --Smerit Blandereichen 01:13, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

hahahhahaa SatuSuro 01:44, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

To SB, it was 3 am and I was going to sleep and I woke up this morning to see you blocked. Nice system. ;-) — Indon (reply) — 08:04, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Tentang Apec in Australia - ust read up on a very very strange phenomenon in australia called 'the chasers war' - it might explain apec - and you might find it as hard to comprehend as the average australian might find understanding the descriptions of the taste of rambutan or durian written by an american tourist :| SatuSuro 10:49, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chaser%27s_War_on_Everything - kalau belum mengerti - tak apa apa - mungkin semua orang di luar australia kurang mengerti SatuSuro 10:52, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


Negara aneh - oz - belum mengerti negara atau kebudayaan yang lain - tetapi ada hal aneh dengan kebudayaan oz - mungkin indon bisa mengerti editor oz sekarang dari itu! SatuSuro 01:39, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sundial

Can you please examine the page history. Carl Sabanski's mysundial.ca site is the principal site in the gnomonics community ex Wikipedia. It is the only site with the full mathematical treatment of every dial. He is a wikipedian but a ipeditor, but the type of qua;lity editor we cannot afford to lose. Over the last year this link has been persistently targetted in unexplained and possibly sophisticated way and removed. On several occasions I have bored into his site looking for commercial links , libel and anything else unwiki- the site is clean (though the raw HTML is sometimes unexciting.)

I don't understand why, or how you decided to do a delete, but you are obviously being drawn into this spat. What we need is a way to protect this link from deletion. I haven't the experience to initiate this process and I done know the tags to use. These deletions would break the 3 deletions rule 3 times over were it to be the same person who is doing the deletion.

Can you advise. ClemRutter 08:19, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for comment. Did as advised. The mastersite link is www.mysundial.ca/tsp/tsp.html this triggers a spam blocking. I have already requested that this gets a local whitelisting- but there has been no action, which is presumably why other user, used link. This is really a embarrasing tangle. ClemRutter 08:57, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Indonesia collaboration = Jakarta

Hello there Indon/Archive12, this fortnight's Indonesia project collaboration is > > > Jakarta < < <. Please contribute. The most important thing is to find reliable references for all existing information, and for any new info added.

Also, please help nominate an article for the next collaboration at the collab nomination page. An underdeveloped or stub article is preferred over a long and developed article. Please nominate up to two articles. any questions, please let me know. Kind regards and happy editing. --Merbabu 11:40, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Wrong message section

You deleted my views on Mughal article. I thought that was right so that people know about the effect of Mughal's ruling in India. I am new to Wiki, so might not be aware of many things which you might know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikideewana (talk • contribs) 07:51, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RE: Zekka and my talk page

The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
Thanks for reverting the vandalism on my page! I did decide to keep it, though, just because...well, it's hilarious. :) How do you think I ought to go about responding to a legal threat? GlassCobra (talk • contribs) 17:51, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sorry about the edit

I logged on wikipedia at school, and when i went to the bathroom, my friend edited the page hoping to get me banned. Im real sorry about this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr Chuckles V2 (talk • contribs) 22:46, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for the quick revert on my user page! It is greatly appreciated. --TeaDrinker 23:29, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your page

I may protect your userpage for awhile if the troll whose vandalizing it keeps visiting you. If I do protect it and you wish for it to be unprotected, contact me at any time.¤~Persian Poet Gal (talk) 00:54, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Soeharto

this WAS discussed on the Suharto talk page. please read it —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mtl1969 (talk • contribs) 20:14, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

We seem to have a few 'change' the spelling - even though the issue was sort of resolved months ago. Will try to compile the different threads and creata policy/idea at the project noticeboard later - zaman ini seperti zaman gila - kalau semua mau soe dan su hilang - mungkin zaman dan orang semua gila - kurang atau belum goro goro di tengah malam SatuSuro 03:23, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
How about removing soe and su, then we have only one nice word: "harto". :-) — Indon (reply) — 03:25, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
wah - banyak orang tahu di indonesia - bung karno and pak harto - mungkin.... tetapi... SatuSuro 04:22, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Spamming

Hey Indon, seems like you know how to handle Wikipedia spammers. So I thought you might be the right one to ask. What way is there to block a spam poster indefinitely or to report him? Seems like User:Angarali is a candidate, for example. Cheers, Trigaranus 22:18, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! Trigaranus 18:40, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nagarakretagama

Hmmm - are the quote boxes the best way to present in-line quotes? Normally I save them solely for an article that can be read independently of the box - ie, like Mount Tambora or U2 where they are not "in-line". On the other hand, they are really part of the prose in Nagarakretagama and thus I'm thinking that block quote is better. Gimana? --Merbabu 08:42, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I know, but the article is still stubby. There isn't much yet other information about the book. I don't mind of any quote box styles for the article. — Indon (reply) — 08:44, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Communications in Indonesia

Hi Indon/Archive12, Communications in Indonesia currently has the most votes for the next collab but I think we should agree on a direction for the article before we make it the collab. In the meantime I will post Sutan Sjahrir as next fortnight's collab. Can you please put your thoughts on Talk:Communications in Indonesia? Many thanks. --Merbabu 09:38, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Speedy deletion of Pardis Maghami

Err... I think I never heard of that page before and don't remember editing it. Why did you write me about it being tagged for speedy deletion? --Fritz S. (Talk) 13:51, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Hm, strange. Must have been some kind of mistake. I don't even know what Pardis Maghami is... --Fritz S. (Talk) 14:10, 21 September 2007 (UTC)


Pardis Maghami is awesome, hes a legend in Australia. U yanks wouldnt know that though...... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.79.19.162 (talk) 00:30, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy deletion of Nolan Stolz page

You reverted my edit to the page Nolan Stolz and cited WP:CSD. Can you please explain to me why the page doesn't meet the criteria for speedy deletion when criterion number 7 states:

Author requests deletion, if requested in good faith, and provided the page's only substantial content was added by its author. If the author blanks the page, this can be taken as a deletion request.

Sabian220 14:52, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of history articles...

I notice that you are not putting historical characters into this list. Any reason? Where should, say, Bung Tomo go? thanks! --Merbabu 04:19, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

It should be placed in Wikipedia:WikiProject Indonesia/List of biography articles, but I haven't yet updated that page. I'm a bit slow this time. :-) — Indon (reply) — 07:03, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Calo2007

Howdy. Just fyi, I've left a uw-error3 warning template, and removed the welcome template that you left, from Calo2007's talkpage. The account seems to be being used for pure vandalism so far. If I notice any more vandalism from there tomorrow I'll notify an admin. Hope that is acceptable :) --Quiddity 05:47, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Murder

Hi, I notice you've previously contributed to the Murder article. It is sadly lacking content from domains outside of Europe and North America. Your participation would be most welcome in addressing this situation. LeadSongDog 22:03, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

No. I just reverted one vandal edit. I don't have any interest further with that article. — Indon (reply) — 13:24, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Indonesian rice table

Lihat tentang sama di dalam EB - mungkin copyvio? SatuSuro 01:49, 26 September 2007 (UTC) gmail SatuSuro 08:43, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Belum fixed rice table - tetapi - Candi Pawon - most guide books in the 1970's said candi Kitchen (kamar makan) - shall i find a ref? SatuSuro 11:33, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
That's okay. And yes if you can find a ref for that. — Indon (reply) — 13:22, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Anda bisa membantu

anda bisa membantu membuat artikel baru tentang shawn wolley ini saya fjr_ab nyantai beh! 14:04, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Di mana, Mas? Di wiki inggris ini ato di wiki indo sana? Dan sapa itu shawn wolley? Mana linknya? — Indon (reply) — 13:23, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

for fixing the vandalism to my user page. Vgranucci 02:55, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome. — Indon (reply) — 09:04, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Members

Hi Indon. I've been asking around regarding 'member'. The word was used to describe members of terorrist organizations such as the IRA and the Red Brigade (and Kopassus!), but it's a strange word. You can say "member of the army", but "army member" sounds strange. Can we stick to "members of the G30S" until or unless somebody comes up with something better? Davidelit 09:13, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Challenged

Wah - good catch!  :) SatuSuro 14:43, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dear Sir/Mademoiselle

Such accusations are highly exorbitant. Assuming you're eminently adroit enough to apperceive this volume's protocol hence I make amends for this miscomprehension. Yours truly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tianasez (talk • contribs) 13:20, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] External links/Bridget Jones

Hello,

I've just read your messages about the external link I added on some of the Bridget Jones related pages of Wikipedia. I don't want to cause troubles and I apologize if I did something wrong, but I'm rather puzzled about why the site I tried to post (http://bridgetarchive.altervista.org/) should be considered spam. I read the external links guideline and this site - who isn't mine - doesn't break any of yours rules: it contains an extensive collection of material about the character of Bridget Jones, so it does not misleads the reader about its contents, it's completely free, it doesn't advertise absolutely anything, it's easily accesible by everyone and there is nothing offensive on it.

On the other hand it offers the possibility to read a lot of material unavaible everywhere else, like Helen Fieldin's original columns, interesting articles and reviews and other actually out of print writings that could be very helpful for students, like me, who are writing their thesis on Fielding. To deny the possibility to consult it wouldn't be a disservice antithetical to the very aims of Wikipedia?

Thank you very much, and again, I apologize for any problem I may have inadvertently caused and for my terrible English.

Carrie26 Carrie26 14:16, 3 October 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Jakarta

Hi there. Apa kabar? Jakarta is taking a well-intentioned (?) battering today. Any thoughts about what to do? Davidelit 15:58, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rf: External links/Bridget Jones

Thanks for your prompt reply. I'm sorry for my misapprehension: I thought that since there were many high quality pictures, articles and video-interviews of the actors themself on the site, it may have been of some interest for their fans. It will not happen again. But could you leave the link on Helen Fielding's page, please? The site is really mostly about her writing and hosts the most accurate biography I was able to find on the web...

I'd like and I hope to cooperate more substantially to Wikipedia in future, but since I'm not a native English speaker I'm rather terrified to not be able to do it adequately.

Thank you again and have a nice day.

Carrie26 16:13, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sorry

I'am teribly sorry my friend he messed around while I was in the washroom. sorry Please forgive me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.87.63.191 (talk) 01:13, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Talk Page Scallywags

No problem! Happy editing! GlassCobra (Review) 01:52, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reply to your message

thankyou for your understanding on this matter. however, the fact no one wants to delete my articles isn't true. plus, i have cited reliable sources. anything from a company website is NOT misleading, since by nature, it not allowed to be.

ever thought of checking the phpBB article? they reference to their site...come on, equal opportunity here guys. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nick Tompson (talk • contribs) 12:58, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] please help me

hello I was advised to get a new account by a wiki admin recently, this is my problm:

I was recently being bothered by another user Precious Roy who seemed to be following every single edit I did on wikipedia, and would make abusive remarks to me. Sometimes I would do edits without loging in ( I am forgetful) and he would say this made me a "sock puppet"..so weird!

On one public forum, he accused me of working for a Public Relations firm, (completly false) and he exposed that I do my edits from the London Public Library on one page, and where I work. I stupidly threated him with legal actions (whoops Wikipedia:no legal threats) but it was misinterpreted that it was against Wikipedia..which was not the case.

If I had know what the hell I was getting into I never would have bothered with this.

All I really want now, is to have my personal info deleted! ( there is exposure of my political, and relgious beliefs by this user) as it puts me at risk because of an ex-boyfriend being able to find me, and also exposes me to problems at my place of employment.

Please help me with any advice,...I hope this Precious Roy person is not a friend :O)

Prior to dealing with Precious I never had any problems for two years, —Preceding unsigned comment added by Julia1970 (talk • contribs) 15:55, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bukit peninsula

Is mentioned in this article - do you think we should create a stub for it? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreamland_Beach SatuSuro 01:18, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Done. :-) — Indon (reply) — 01:20, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks - mudah mudahan says kurang keras ness - says mencari tempat bernama 'halus' atau 'sopan' :( SatuSuro 01:23, 6 October 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Does Indonesia have the equivalent article

[2] - kalau lihat itu, mungkin Indonesia needs one! maybe? SatuSuro 01:55, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

I dont really know, but it's a bit difficult with thousands of islands which means thousands of tips? — Indon (reply) — 01:56, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
OK it might be very difficult - but the idea is to start. maybe western most point, eastern etc- if i can find a good reference i might start - it got inspired by seeing the rivers - as in 'longest in indonesia etc' - so its in the dimensions as well - longest river, longest island and so on - will think about if for a while maybe -and if a good ref can be found - it would make it all that easier SatuSuro 02:01, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
Hmm, maybe the extreme points is a good idea. It has some notable references anyway, for instances this nice image. Do you want to start it? ;-) — Indon (reply) — 02:03, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
hey - says harus membuat saya seperti bapak taxi untuk teenagers - please - I'll dig for some refs - ..after you SatuSuro 02:15, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
mungkin saya membuat bingung - please could you start it - I think of your list of volcanoes list and think i know who should do it:) SatuSuro 02:16, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
I'd love to, but there is still long queue on my mind: Borobudur, Great Post Road, Sanjaya-and-Sailendra, Law of Indonesia which are still incomplete. I'm planning to submit Borobudur at FAC soon, so that's why I dig on Sanjayas and Sailendras which getting me more interested of. Have you looked into my post in Talk:Sailendra? — Indon (reply) — 02:19, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
Kalasan and kalasan inscriptions - hmmmm very very very close to number of issues - hey lets 'hilang sebantar' the extremes of indonesia - I understand where you are coming from - semua sulit - mungkin nanti tentnag semua - keep up the hard work! SatuSuro 02:23, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Wow SatuSuro - that's an "extreme" idea, I'd say go for it, and I can chip in. and User:Caniago with his geography focus would be a good source too, no doubt. --Merbabu 02:33, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

OK - stub kosong - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_points_of_Indonesia - enjoy! SatuSuro 02:46, 6 October 2007 (UTC) gmail SatuSuro 01:06, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Good. Now it's listed in the monitoring list. — Indon (reply) — 08:18, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I've jumped ships...

[3] --Merbabu 13:26, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

WP:GAYA, hehehe :-) — Indon (reply) — 13:44, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
Aku memang gaya (dalam mimpiku saja). (how's that for basa aussie translated literally into basa indo loosing all meaning?) --Merbabu 14:07, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
Can you see a message below and my reply to him/her? I even can't find correct standard words for Indonesian. I was trying to find "central vent" to Indonesian, but my old grayed brain cells come with "lubang utama", hahaha. Oh, do you know the meaning of "gaya luh!". ;-) — Indon (reply) — 14:11, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
Orang tahu gaya, kalau orang tahu gaya. (just kidding!). Yeah, for "vent" i would also say lubang. Lubang lepas? --Merbabu 14:18, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
"Menurut WP:GAYA:#Gambar" - Benar, enggak? --Merbabu 14:27, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
Nope. "Luh" or "lu" or "elu" is a slang word of you in Betawi. Thus, it's a shouting to a person who likes to keep his/her appearance. :D — Indon (reply) — 14:41, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
Ok, so "per WP:MOS#Images" is sama dgn: "menurut WP:GAYA#Gambar" ? --Merbabu 14:52, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
Now, I get it. :-) Yes it's the same. — Indon (reply) — 14:54, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] tau artinya ga?

mas Indon tau artinya cascaded down dari kalimat The central vent emitted lava frequently, which cascaded down a steep slope. ga? thx before  Mimihitam   Bicara  13:53, 6 Oktober 2007 (UTC)

oh iya, kalo convergence rate tau artinya juga ga? thx juga  Mimihitam   Bicara  13:53, 6 Oktober 2007 (UTC)

Kpd Indon: Tolong lihat User talk:Mimihitam#Pindah. Banyak terima kasih, Bessel Dekker 17:12, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

wow, thanks Indon :).. anyway busway, i wanna ask again >.< do you know what's the Indonesian word for Oceanic Basin? i know the oceanic one, but i dont know what basin mean.. when i look it in dictionary, the meaning is baskom? thx before :-) Mimihitam 23:59, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] :D

kok tau :p ... thx ya.. sementara pake istilah itu dulu... *nunggu kedatangan ahli geologi* Template:Grin  Mimihitam   Bicara  00:12, 7 Oktober 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanh Hoa Bridge 10-06-07

I was updating the information on the Thanh Hoa Bridge. You stated these photos were not from the era - The photos I was uploading were from the Vietnam era as they show A-7C's flown by VA-82 near the end of the air war. This is heavily documented, as well as this squadron's involvement in dropping the bridge, especially in John Sherwood's book, Afterburner: Naval Aviators and the Vietnam War (2004) published by the NYU Press.

My father was award the Distinguished Flying Cross for his part in this raid. I have all his documentation, plus the discussion of this attack in Sherwood's book, where he interviews Admiral Leighton "Snuffy" Smith, who was in the flight of four from VA-82 that day.

Please let me know what I need to know to correct the description.

Thanks, Brian Baldwin —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bbri4570 (talk • contribs) 23:39, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

I will work on documenting the pics and then update the information. Thanks for your help......first time updating Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bbri4570 (talk • contribs) 23:47, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] West Java history...

Hi Indon

I thought this was fairly impressive work - you don't think it should stay? Where could we put it? Although, it seems a little odd - so much in one edit from an anon. --Merbabu 02:01, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

thank you Merbabu for your support. The material I wrote in West Java has the same for as for Central Java. I do not understand why Indon discriminate me. Muct time, energy and money for dial up internet access I expended for doing this but Indon does at his will. Very cruel. Endeed my lnguage is a little odd but actually as ou said we can edit it to be a better one. Once more, I thank you very much for Merbabu support. BTW, I would like to introduce myself. My name is Hadi, a half Javanese (descent from Tegal and Indramayu) and a half Sundanese. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.5.17.26 (talk) 03:03, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
Okay, okay. I was going to find out to which the place for the content is more appropriate. The article itself is talking about a province and should tell the history of the region's administration. Otherwise it will distract readers. Some like summary in Jakarta and the administration section of East Nusa Tenggara. The content added is more or less throwing everything that relates to West Java. I'm not discriminating your work, Hadi. Punten atuh. I'll try to re-edit the content. — Indon (reply) — 08:46, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

(note to Hadi). Could you please register? It's free and you can choose any name if you want to hide your true identity. Now you're using multiple IPs, as seen in the West Java's history, which makes me difficult to talk to you. — Indon (reply) — 08:48, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you Mr. Indon, I am sorry for using multiple IP because I am mobile recently. I would like to learn how to register tomorrow. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.5.36.80 (talk) 10:51, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
And now I had succesfully registered myself with User ID: Ciserayu. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.5.16.240 (talk) 10:06, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Y Done. I have re-added your edits, Hadi, with more appropriate contents and tone to the West Java province. Please check their accuracies as I don't have those sources at hand. — Indon (reply) — 09:51, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
Thank you Mr. Indon for your kind assisstnce. I have forgoten to write information concerning the ruler in West Java after the downfll of the Kingdom of Sunda. According to Herwig Zahorka in his book “The Sound Kingdoms of West Java – From Tarumanagara to Pakuan Pajajaran with Royal Center of Bogor, page 52:
From 1567 to 1579, under the last king Raja Mulya, alias Prabu Surya Kencana, the kingdom declined essentially, particularly after 1576 due to the pressure from the Sultanate of Banten. The king could no longer reside in Pakuan Pajajaran (Bogor). The sultanate of Banten now ruled the former Kingdom of Sunda.
Other sources said that in the eastern part of the former Kingdom of Sunda (near current Central Java Province), the Sultanate of Cirebon ruled for hundreds of year in the north, meanwhile the sultanate of Mataram reign in the south (Priangan Timur) for about 50 years until the West Java was controlled by Dutch colonialist.
Many sources said that Demak (in alliance with Cirebon) seized Sunda Kalapa harbour and renamed it Jayakarta and give it to Banten for administration control. Thus, I asked your permission to make correction for the last prgraph of West Java history with the information from Herwig Zahorka above plus other resources. Ciserayu (reply) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.5.16.204 (talk) 10:17, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Laut Bali ("Bali Sea")

Just FYI, I have reverted your changes relating to this body of water. If you do a Google search, you will find that "Bali Sea" is almost unknown, with Laut Bali qualifying as the common name in English. "Bali Sea" appears to be an anglicisation of the Dutch name. See also Talk:Battle of Makassar Strait. Grant | Talk 14:49, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Maybe back to the project noticeboard on this one :( SatuSuro 01:07, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Maybe a good idea at that.
Indon, I don't know how you arrive at a figure of 528 Google hits. I get 3,160 hits for "Laut Bali" and you may have noticed that the vast majority of hits for Bali Sea are for "Bali Sea Shells", "Bali Sea Grass", "Bali Sea Salt", "Bali Sea Boutique", "Bali Sea Food" (etc), that have absolutely nothing to do with the name of the body of water, i.e. they are the name of the island tacked onto the front of "sea"-related business names.
I also don't understand you point about anglicisation. I suggested that "Bali Sea" is an anglicisation of the Dutch name, not an Indonesian one.Grant | Talk 06:30, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Nope, sorry. I don't get 506 hits when I search for "laut bali", I get 3,160. When I search for laut + bali I get 318,000; bali + sea = 332,000; "bali sea" = 27,500

I don't know where you are located but Google results can vary depending on location (i.e. some parts of the web are not "visible" from particular locations at particular points in time. Likewise my original search may have been affected by this, so I will defer to the project on this, as Satu has suggested above. Grant | Talk 07:59, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tolong

Mas Indon,tolong ganti nama username saya dari FadhilRamadhan menjadi Fadhil2007.Tolong ya mas. Adil dan sejahtera 02:38, 8 Oktober 2007 (UTC)

Mas Indon,dimana ya list admin di sini?.Disini gak ada listnya. Adil dan sejahtera 14:44, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ah

Akhirnya, proyek Gunung Tambora selesai juga.. makasih loh, udah buat artikel tentang Gunung Tambora di EN, sehingga juga mempengmaruhi yg di id.. would you like to see the one in the indonesian? is it right or not? thanks :) Mimihitam 12:40, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Templates enquiry

You may recall that around the New Year you vigorously objected to Template:IndonesianPresidents and Template:IndonesianVPs, but you seem to have had no problems with Template:Indonesia Presidents, created a mere three weeks later. Can we resolve this business by my redirecting the first to the third & using the second, or do you still have objections? Biruitorul 04:57, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Centralised discussion

Could we please re-establish and confirm that issues central to an issue such as sources - and the issues arising from them is in a centralised place - the Bali Sea talk page is an example where any sense of credibility this project has has had a bit of a bump? - It would be appreciated if we realise that projects do have leigitmacy problems - and when outsider editors and admins come in and find discussions like that - they might wonder whether kalau semua orang disini gila or worse :) - cheers

  • It is very important that we are not seen as over reliant upon third rate american based sources - this is the indonesian project?

SatuSuro 09:42, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Yup, but I need to add one more last comment later. :-) — Indon (reply) — 09:50, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Sudah cukup! SatuSuro 09:55, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Belum ;-P — Indon (reply) — 09:57, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
Okay - tutupnya sopan dan mudah mudahan lebih aman - maaf kalau saya meganngu sekali lagi - kita gila dan nakal in west oz okay? :) SatuSuro 10:25, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
No problem. Nobody is disturbing me. ;-) — Indon (reply) — 10:47, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] (New section)

Do not tell me what I can do or what I can not do. I will do whatever the (explicit) I want. I do not want to to hear from you again because you are very annoying. Thank you and God Bless everybody except Indon, whoever that person is.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Ps3ps3 (talk • contribs)

Hahahahahaha. — Indon (reply) — 07:29, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Muttiah Muralitharan

The Muralitharan article is full of controversial material - not least of which the claim that he is "generally regarded as one of the greatest bowlers in cricket history". I can tell you for a fact that no one I've talked to regards him as a "great" bowler, and I expect this sentiment is shared overseas. Except for in Sri Lanka, of course. Over there they think he's great. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sentient LifeGap (talk • contribs) 14:43, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] how to know who is the basic source of a given information here?

how can i know who is really the primary source on the topic biodiversity —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ynamorata (talk • contribs) 14:49, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

qwertyuiop — Indon (reply) — 08:07, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Why are you deleting my links to useful product information and user documentation?17:59, 10 October 2007 (UTC)Documentation10/10/2007

While I am new to Wikipedia (and may not understand all requirement) I have found the documentation and service links I added to various aritcles to be of great value. The external links that have been previously allowed by others (http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos400d/ and http://www.slrtoday.com/articles/29/1/Review-The-Canon-EOS-Digital-Rebel-XTi-400D/Page1.html ) point to commercial sites. Therefore I don't understand why you deleted the External Links I placed. In terms of value to the Wikipedia community I feel the links I added provide users valuable content and utility. Please let me know what I need to do to meet your specific objections.

All the best,

Documentation —Preceding unsigned comment added by Documentation (talk • contribs) 12:59, October 10, 2007