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This article is part of the WikiProject American Open Wheel Racing, a collaborative effort to improve and standardize articles related to open wheel Indy car racing in the United States, with an emphasis on the Indy Racing League IndyCar Series. The projects encompasses a wide range of open wheel topics, including Champ Car. If you would like to participate, you can edit the article attached to this page, or visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion.

"http://www.champcarfanatics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20208 "I was looking at wikipedia today and decided to see what they had on the EARL. The article wasn't sufficiently negative, so I made some changes:"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indy_Racing_League

"Someone else might want to add to that."

Check it out for yourself............__________________

-I sure hope you're not referring to me as the terrorist, cuz I think my edit history shows differently.

Anyways, I think a discussion of the injury problems isn't out of place, just needs to be NPOVed. If you didn't like mine, what do you suggest?

Kurohone 04:52, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Would like a source on IRL giving away "tens of thousands of tickets". They don't have to in Nashville, but it is a small track, seating-wise, with a capacity of under 50,000.

Rlquall 16:17, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)

It'd be nice to keep the trolls off of here, this is an encyclopedia, not a messageboard. Keep it to crapwagon, alright guys?

Kurohone 04:08, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)

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[edit] Mario or Michael?

The article says the IRL experienced "spectacular high-profile accidents in 2003, including to American racing legend Mario Andretti". Shouldn't that be Michael? Moriori 00:45, Sep 5, 2004 (UTC)

-No, it was Mario. He was attempting to qualify a 4th car for his son's team, which he then would have turned over to another driver. But he crashed while practicing. Kurohone 03:16, 5 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Riquall, the IRL's ratings *were* the lowest ever this year. Lowest rating in the history of the Indy 500 and the lowest ratings ever for many races - one garnered a spectacular 0.2. FCYTravis

[edit] New to Wiki

I see I have a message accusing me of vandalism. That certainly isn't my intent. I do wonder why only negatively-biased comments about the IRL are/were allowed in the engine discussion. Everything I have contributed is in fact true and verifiable. I wouldn't have introduced the balancing statements about the IRL's popularity increase if the negative and unnecessary speculation and comments were not present.

  • The "negative" bits you refer to are direct quotes from corporate executives discussing why their engine program has been terminated. The "balancing statements" are general discussion of the league's commercial state, and hence do not belong in the "Engine" section. They've been placed in their proper context. FCYTravis 20:21, 5 February 2006 (UTC)


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I thought that indy cars moved to 4 cylinder engines. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.32.201.222 (talk • contribs)

Nope, they've been all V8's since 1997 and even before that I don't recall any 4 cylinders, just V6's and V8's. -Drdisque 17:20, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

There have been many 4-cylinder-engined Indy cars over the years, mostly running the venerable Offenhauser engine that formed the basis for the original Cosworth V8, but not in the past 25-30 years.



[edit] Formation of WikiProject Indy Racing League

Much like the Wikipedia:WikiProject NASCAR, there should be serious consideration of a formation of Wikiproject for the Indy Racing League. The following should be considered at a minimum:

  • Standardized organization of race track pages (many have already been cleaned up through the NASCAR project, but typically have little mention of the IRL and past open wheel events
  • Standardized organization of individual race pages....all current NASCAR races have a page listed for each race, and a lit of winners, etc. IRL (and all past open wheel races) have piece-wise scattering of results here and there, some on the track pages. They should all be organized on individual race pages
  • Standardized organization of individual drivers, etc.
The biggest complication is how to treat open wheel history, especially with drivers and race results. A lot of thought will have to be put into it.

Doctorindy 14:49, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I think a WikiProject American Open Wheel might be more appropriate, encompassing all of IRL, CART, OWRS, USAC, and AAA sanctioning of American open wheel racing. -Drdisque 20:36, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

    • That is a very good point and I agree. The first emphasis has to be on past race results and race tracks. Merging all of the sanctions makes sense for continuity, only strict decorum should be established to prevent unecessary (and rediculously 'tired') feuding. How to begin the project would need some help. Doctorindy 17:09, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
    • I quick browsing of all of the open wheel topics shows broadly haphazzard structure. All things IRL, CART/Champ Car, "American Open Wheel" is very disorganized with doubles of a lot of information, a lot of criss-crossing, and general disorganization. A lot of work is ahead. Doctorindy 17:11, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
  • I was thinking that an open-wheel project should be formed too, which would encompass both the CART and IRL branches. The name "Open Wheel" could be easily confused with several other series such as Sprint Cars, IMCA/UMP/etc modifieds, midgets, etc. The articles on some the legendary CART drivers are weaker than they should be. No proposals for how to deal with the transitions in the Indy 500 has consensus yet, considering its high number of sanctioning bodies (AAA -> USAC -> CART -> IRL). I think that coming up with a solution to that problem is paramount. Royalbroil 03:55, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
I don't have a problem including sprint cars and other smaller open wheel cars. In the early days the line between sprint cars and "big cars" was somewhat blurred. Sprint cars and midgets obviously don't need to be covered with the same depth as National Championship racing. -Drdisque 13:23, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Creating Project

There appears to be enough start-up interest, so I am proceding to create the WikiProject American Open Wheel Racing. Should be up soon Doctorindy 20:15, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] IndyCar/Indy Racing League

The majority of the IndyCar article is already covered under Indy Racing League, to a casual fan they are both one in the same.

The article for ChampCar is what a single IRL article should look like.

[edit] IRL

The sentence "In 2006 the series will use an ethanol/methanol fuel mixture eventually going to pure ethanol in 2007" has no relationship with SAFER or safety previously discussed in the same paragraph. The sentence should be placed in a separate paragraph and developed as a separate issue. -- ICE77 84.223.76.15 17:00, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

I moved it to the engine section.Mustang6172 21:11, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Engine Discrepancy

In first paragraph of the engine section includes the line,"For 2007, the engines will utilize a 100% ethanol fuel, and displacement will be increased back to 3.5 L."

And then the final paragraph of the same section states,"Currently, IRL engines are rev-limited to 10,300 rpm and produce approximately 750 hp at that revolution regime. The Honda HI5R engine is a normally aspirated, fuel-injected, aluminum alloy cylinder block V-8 with a displacement of 3.0 liters (183.1 in³)."

  1. Which sentence is more correct?
  2. Isn't the fuel 98% ethanol, 2% gasoline? I believe the gasoline does keep the ATF from getting involved and gives the fuel a visible flame.Mustang6172 18:39, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fuel Resolution

Here's a quote I managed to get from Indycar.com:

Other small issues that we had was, I'm sure you're all aware, a hundred percent fuel-grade ethanol actually contains 2percent gasoline. Sadly that's to stop you drinking it, otherwise it would have been quite nice an event, we could have a party after each race. The ATF department insists we have a percentage of denaturant in the fuel. The most commercially available product is gasoline. We were a little concerned that the gasoline content would have effect on some of the seals in the car, but that's proved not to be the case because the concentration is so small, it doesn't really have much of an effect.

[edit] Split

I think it's time to split the IndyCar Series section off into it's own article. Thoughts?Mustang6172 21:32, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

You might be right... have a page for the IPS and another for the IRL? It would allow us to write in the IRL's corporate structure, history, etc. My vote would be "yes" if done correctly.

[edit] Done

A wise Wikipedian once told me "in the abscence of dissent, Be Bold and expect agreement". I transfered the relevant informatin. Mustang6172 07:10, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wading in, fixing errors, cleaning grammar, etc

First, I added a ton to the engine section, and IMHO, took out some of the bias. I updated the writing into the present tense, instead of ominous predictions from past writers. I created a new section of fuels, since that is a major sponsor of the IRL, including a clarification of the 98% problem (so the CCWS guys will stop saying it's 100%??).

I have very little agenda vis CCWR vs IRL. I just want this to be done well, including being factually accurate. Email me if you have questions or issues w/ my work.Twohlford 15:50, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] FYI - Champ Car merger into IRL deal signed

See: http://www.indycar.com/news/story.php?story_id=10557 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.175.18.130 (talk) 23:08, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Ther's amazingly little information out there apart from that the merger has been agreed...--Amedeo Felix (talk) 12:45, 4 March 2008 (UTC)