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Indian rock was the Indian collaboration of the week for the week starting on April 14, 2006.

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This article will need a lot of work, especially in creating pages about each band, help from people more familiar with the Indian rock scene would be appretiated. The focus should be especially emphisised on hard rock and metal bands, which have less exposure than rock and roll. Vastu 14:19, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Rudra

The image of Rudra's second album cover will expire soon, I would appretiate it if someone could obtain the correct licensing stuff for it, as im not sure how, and the picture is a good addition, as it shows India has produced heavy stuff Vastu 17:46, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vedic metal

I dont know why that artice was deleted - perhaps someone thought one of the following:

  1. It is some sort of nationalist crap.
  2. It is not a real genre.
  3. The genre insults Hinduism in some way.

None of those three are valid reasons for deleting an article - 1 and 3 display ignorance or insularity, and Vedic metal may only be a genre invented by one band, but it still shouldnt not be deleted, and I have a feeling there are probably other bands that have-been/will-be experiment with similar philosophical themes in future - it is inevitable. I intend to create it again in future. Vastu 15:12, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

You can message an admin and ask them about it (Blacksun 05:40, 22 March 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Very interesting but

I think you guys should really make inline citations as you work on the article. It will help in getting it featured in the long run. Anyways really interesting information. Good luck. (Blacksun 05:38, 22 March 2006 (UTC))

Unfortunatly a lot of this information is word of mouth, so I doubt it will ever get featured Vastu 13:01, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Freddie Mercury

Mercury's Iranian, not Indian, why's he on here?

Do you know what a Parsi is? In medieval times, the Persian empire was invaded by the Arabs and converted to another religion - some Persian Zoroastrians fled to India, where their beliefs would be tolerated entirely. Thus Freddie Mercury's family have lived in India longer than most families can trace their ancestry - they are for all intents and purposes Indian, or Indo-Iranian, or Irano-Indian - go back far enough and anyone can trace their ancestry to another country, but people dont divide the British into Celts and Vikings. The geographic region where generations of a family have lived, what culture they have lived in, etc, are obiously more important than some kind of tenuous ancestral claim. Why did Freddie Mercury favour being called a Persian? Many people speculate it was either Parsi nationalism, or some belief that it was more vogue than being an Indian - he wouldnt be the first person of Indian origin to have some kind of shame in the poor country of his birth. I assume it is because of his own insistance that you believed this, however, his article - Freddie Mercury - make it fairly clear. 86.144.16.247 15:05, 8 April 2006 (UTC)


well, not leaving it at mercury alone... have included a few more musicians of indian origin. just for academic (?) purposes, i guess. some of those bands might seem a bit vague, but they have achieved something or the other in terms of success... except dragonfly, i guess.. joseph 05:41, 6 June 2006 (UTC) joseph

[edit] "Indian Rock"

Shouldn't Indian Rock be about rock music in India? Unquestionably in the 60s and 70s bands such as The Beatles and even Jimi utilized elements of Indian music, but it is ludicrous to classify them as Indian rock. Also, the prominance given to Freddie Mercury (along with the Queen album cover image) gives a wrong impression of his genre of music. He never used elements of Indian music — it always remained very British. If we start labelling Indian rock based on people's place or birth or ethnicity, we'd end up classifying Engelbert Humperdinck, who was born in Chennai and No Doubt's Tony Kanal as Indian rockers! I feel this article should focus on groups such as Indus Creed and Parikrama and not on India's influences in Rock n roll. AreJay 01:56, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

The beatles, etc, havent really been classified as Indian rock, but simply mention as part of the raga rock phenomenon, as well as setting the scene for the Indian rock scene. However, I totally agree that the queen cover is completely out of place, im not sure why it was addded, and will remove it. Vastu 16:11, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't we need a template on the page like Australian rock has {{Australianmusic}}? Shyam (T/C) 19:44, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
The current template is a bit messy - needs cleaning up and genres adding to it - Vastu 07:41, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
gotten started on an indianrock template... at template:indianrock, right now undivided rock.. genres? cover vs non-cover would be a good place to start.joseph 07:08, 6 June 2006 (UTC)joseph

[edit] History, etc

I think it would probably be best if we tried to mention big Indian bands, i.e. landmark ones, in the history section, in addition to the text that is already there, and the dates they were formed, the reception they got, popularity, etc. Then genre specific sections can be expanded with greater information about the popularity of those sub-genres, where they might be heard, record labels, etc. Finnally, we need new sections, perhaps ones on topics like international reception to Indian rock, etc. Extra pictures of bands and their album covers should be added - since Indian metal lacks exposure, I suggest that a cover from a heavy band, such as Rudra, be used at leats once. Vastu 07:47, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reorganization

I've moved that whole section on Hendrix and The Beatles using elements of Indian music to a more appropriate "Influence of Indian music in mainstream rock". I have also deleted references to Freddie Mercury. He didn't play Indian rock and never used elements of Indian music in his songs. His name, it appears, was included here only because of his ethnicity (and then too, he was an ethnic Indian from Zanzibar!). His ties to India, Indian music or Indian rock are tenuous at best. And anyway, I can't recall the source, but I remember reading somewhere that he wasn't exactly thrilled about his Indian origins and that he was more open about his homosexuality than he was about his ethnic roots. I have no source to confirm this though. AreJay 02:06, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

He was really only there as an example of a PIO rocker, but its better this way - Vastu 08:30, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Actually, he grew up in Bombay, not Zanzibar (despite being born in the latter). And, most people agree that there is some distinct, but not direct, Indian influence in his music and shows. Indian music was among his early influences and his parents recount him as having been a fan of Indian mystical music. -User: Afghan Historian

I have to agree with Afghan Historian here. How could you have an article about Indian rock music without mentioning the only Indian rockstar ever to gain massive international popularity? Freddie Mercury was of full Indian Parsi descent, and he did not move to England until he was a teenager. That makes him very Indian. TAY

[edit] check your wiki links.

just edited the links section... i don't think zero and zero have anything to do with the bombay-based band. likewise with pentagram, vayu, prayag, joint family, the superfuzz bigmuff (now just known as the superfuzz), kryptos, medusa and asura.

check the links before adding them.

joseph 00:28, 29 May 2006 (UTC) joseph

[edit] Individual Music Scenes

I have added a little blurb on the west bengal scene. It would be nice if someone can help elaborate or write something on the Bangalore, Mumbai or Delhi scenes. BengalRenaissanceEccentrica 18:28, 5 June 2006 (UTC)


sign me up for the delhi scene... but i'm erratic... joseph 07:02, 6 June 2006 (UTC)joseph

[edit] indian rock template

any inputs? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Indianrock

josephjoseph

[edit] bombay scene. please stop.

whoever it is that writes stuff like this http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indian_rock&diff=92972892&oldid=92947738 on a regular basis, you're driving us blind. where does one begin to correct it.--Yufeeko 02:23, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Freddie Mercury

What is Freddie Mercury doing in this article? He is of persian heritage, his family lived in India but that doesn't mean he is an Indian. Someone sort that out please.

see this edit joseph 08:57, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

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