Talk:Indian human spaceflight program

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The result of the proposal was to not merge. (sdsds - talk) 16:30, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Merger request! An entire article based on pure speculation is a rare example. It would better served as a sub-section ISRO main article.

• NASA and Roscosmos, despite their unprecedented success, have human spaceflight summary within the main article section
• Indian manned space programme (as of 12.02.07) is purely based on speculation
• A manned spacecraft design programme is yet to announed
• The article "Indian human spaceflight program" appears more as a hopeful idea, rather than factual page
• The SCRE is a fairly basic spacecraft recovery programme and is no concrete indication of a future spacecraft
• Thus, the Indian human spaceflight programme piece will be best served under the ISRO relevant sub-section

- Ash sul 16:35, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

• Oppose - there are verifiable references, such as an ISRO press release ; this is more than hopeful ideas and speculations. Each human spaceflight program (Apollo, Shenzhou, etc. even far in the future - see CSTS, for instance) has its own article. Hektor 16:56, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
  • I have provided a verifiable source (India Today) with date, author and pages; from now on I will consider as bad faith any further comment about the lack of sources or any statement that a manned spacecraft design programme is yet to announced. Hektor 13:05, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

• Please refrain from merging when there is obviously no consensus. Hektor 13:59, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Please see Talk:Indian Space Research Organisation for merger discussion. This talk page had not been used to discuss merger decision earlier. Please do not force your own decisions on this issue.

"there are verifiable references, such as an ISRO press release ; this is more than hopeful ideas and speculations. Each human spaceflight program (Apollo, Shenzhou, etc. even far in the future - see CSTS, for instance) has its own article...." - The Indian article SCRE is similar to what you are talking about, it does contain extensive outlook into possiblities into India someday (maybe sooner rather than later) having a manned space programme. As you can see from your own statement, an article on a spacecraft can point towrds future possibilities. But an entire article "manned space programme" has to be much more concrete than the current information available. Encyclopedia shouldn't be used for promo article publishment. -- Ash sul 22:50, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

So please explain the existence of article CSTS. Please explain the existence of the article Fuji. The objectives and the budget, between 10 and 20 million dollars in 2007 and 2008, are the same in Europe and India. So why this Euro or Nippo centric bias. Why what is valid for Europe or Japan is not for India ?

Once again this article is NOT speculative. In space the criteria to distinguish speculation from reality is easy : it is budget. When a budget is allocated by a government, the program exists. The Indian human spaceflight program has a budget over the next two years, Rs 50 crore, therefore it exists. And since there are only a handful of such programs in the world, it is notable. Hektor 09:14, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Oppose - We have articles on other proposed manned programmes - Tier Two for example. --GW_Simulations_{User Page | Talk} 19:38, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Third opinion

While I usually do lean strongly toward mergist tendencies, this article is well-sourced and does not seem to violate WP:CRYSTAL-the program itself does verifiably exist and has been mentioned in plenty of sources. I would agree that this article should remain separate, as it is very likely to be expandable now and in the future. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 16:23, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

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