Talk:Indian Creek Designs BKO
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[edit] Notability and advertising
I do not think this article should be considered advertising, as the product has apparently been discontinued. However, notability needs to be established with reliable sources. --Eastmain 18:30, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
I don't see this as likely to be notable, so i have nominated it for deletion. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bushmaster Knock-Off for further discussion. DES (talk) 20:38, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] sources
alright well exactly.. i am not trying to advertise the marker just educate people about it , since it is discontinued there is no point to advertise because it cannot be bought of the company. About the sources they are reliable , i got them form the company and people that are highly educated on the subject.. it is not just some random guys making stuff up.. the information they give is completely credible even if they are not part of the company
also the notability part.. this is a distinct gun , it not like every other gun. It is really a gun that got the whole icd company started and i really dont understand how this gun wouldnt be aloud if the Promaster or ICD freestyle would be!BKO THECANADIAN 19:48, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] One of the worlds foremost BKO experts.
I am an administrator for an ICD paintball marker group. I am one of the foremost BKO experts in the world. There are very few people outside of ICD that have as much knowledge about the BKO as I. This Wiki is presented fairly and is accurate. I request that you not delete this Wiki.
If you have any questions or comments about this Wiki please feel free to email me.
Yours truely, Spitlebug
Spitlebug 01:06, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Clean up
i agree with the claims that this sounds like a advertisement, however i might beable to clean it up to make it sound like a Wikipedia Article. as per the person above i must claim Sockpuppetry. the only edit made by the above person was that one message he placed. As much as i hate to see a paintball article deleted, the way things are looking i might have to change my vote on the AFD page. so if anyone is intrested please help me clean up this page.User:Maverick423 If It Looks Good Nuke It 16:29, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Clean up help
all the information in this article is perfectly accurated. I will help with the clean up since i am the original creator of this page , maverick i would really like to know exactly what required "cleaning up"
also maverick if your the one that nominated this article for clean up you must post reasons for it , such as grammar etc.. BKO THECANADIAN 19:26, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
ah yes there seems to be stuff that sounds like advertisement. also it seems to have some unessasary information. ill show you a part in a bit
ok heres a example. the timeline
This timeline was made by DarrylHadfield (ICD-owners). This is a timeline with a detailed descriptions of the various bko generation with specifics to the marker.
2002
2002 bkoThe first BKO was produced in the second half of 2002. ICD has not released a formal statement about it, but it is widely rumored that the BKO actually stood for, “Bushmaster Knock-Off,” as the marker was intended to capture the lower-end of the electro-pneumatic market, as well as compete against the massive market of seartripper markers like the Kingman Spyder. The BKO was released with an MSRP of $300.
The milling style of the ’02 BKO was distinctive, as it was very simple and easy to distinguish. Only a single-color (i.e. no fades, splashes, etc.. were available from the factory) of blue, red, purple, green, black, or silver was offered. This marker also had the same style of trigger frame – a .45 style, with an aluminum blade trigger. The BKO also used the same electronic guts as the B2k – the 8200 board, capped at 10bps, in a semi-only firing mode.
The BKO also had the same distinctive high-rise feed-neck as the Bushmaster. The BKO benefited from industry standards, however, as ICD was starting to move to a standard ASA threading for the high-pressure regulators, instead of the custom-style that was offered on early bushmasters. Curiously, ICD chose to use a different style of mounting for the low-pressure regulator, opting for a much smaller one that sits between the trigger frame and the high-pressure regulator.
The bolt in the original BKO was the same as the bushmaster, and barrel threading was also the distinctive ICD threads. The item you see in the place where you would expect an LPR to sit is actually a volumizer, although many contend it was never necessary.
The solenoid in the BKO is also significantly different. The bushmaster line uses a three-way solenoid; the BKO’s solenoid is only a two-way model, given that the ram is spring-returned. Additionally, the ram housing in the original BKO model is not re-buildable, causing significant frustration on the part of many users. The BKO operated at 200-240 psi compared to the B2K series marker that operated at 280-320 psi.
The tray on a BKO is also shorter(1/4”) than on a bushmaster– so the battery has to go into the grip frame, instead. Another key difference, which changed in later models, is that the ’02 BKO used cocker detents. Rounding out the “out of the box package” was a 700psi gauge on the front block, a one-piece black aluminum 12” barrel
if this is a timeline then why are you describing the product? a timeline would be more focused on the exact dates when the guns came out and maybe a few minor diffences comparing the older version to the newer one. but this lacks that as it just jumps from gun discription to gun discription. check bolded areas for advertisement like data User:Maverick423 If It Looks Good Nuke It 19:58, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
RESPONSE well i guess then its not really a timeline.. because what its suppose to do is describe the changes between generation. I guess we can do with out the price.. but the colors etc.. is perfectly alright.. the one where u bolded the board top speed.. isnt really advertisement its a descriptiong of the board. lots of the stuff u bolded is information pertaining to the gun of that generation.. i dont understand how it would be taken as ads.. since this marker isnt even for sell anymore.. it was discontinued.
combine the bolded areas and you get pretty much a advertisement ill show u what i mean once i get home from work User:Maverick423 If It Looks Good Nuke It 21:14, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
hey in trying to reword the bolded areas i found that it looks more article like if its the only data avalible. you can switch the timeline paragraph into something like (Marker Statistics) or something of that sort and just have the stuff that discribes the gun. as far as looking as a advertisement, check it out how it comes together .
Note that even it its discontinued the fact is it basicly looks like a advertisement.
The BKO worth $300.it comes in the consumers' choice of blue, red, purple, green, black, or silver. The 8200 board is capped at 10bps in a semi-firing mode. Compared to the rest of the bushmaster line, which uses a three-way solenoid; the BKO’s solenoid is only a two-way model,due to a spring-returned ram.....
i can keep going but i think this is enough to show that only a little rewording is enough to change this to a Ad. User:Maverick423 If It Looks Good Nuke It 22:23, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
Also in the picture gallery, is that a list of the offical names of the guns or are those usernames? if so then please convert them to the offical names of the guns if not they might be removed. User:Maverick423 If It Looks Good Nuke It 22:38, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
RESPONSE WOW you know how you put all the bolded areas together.. your completely taking the text out of context. first off were not advertising the price.. im just saying the price of the gun at the time of it realease , the color is saying that it was not available in fades etc.. just standard blue , silver , purple etc.. the thing that probably most far from the truth is the solenoid part. How are u supose to describe the gun with out saying how it operates via solenoid. Were not saying it better but you have to describe the gun works to describe the changes from generation to generation. Also 10bps woudlnt really be a selling point since most gun can reach 15-30bps.
i know how u say rewording would make it into an add.. but then dont reword it , as it is now .. its not an add. I really dont understand why this has to go sooo much trouble trying to delete it etc.. meanwhile there are tones of other marker on this site ie smart parts ion , promaster etc..
response to the gallery part.. its says the username and then the gun. would you like me to remove the username? the only reason i put them is because i dont want to claim those guns are my own.
The user name is unessary. just place the name of the gun instead. if you want to show a custom gun like that awsome gold one you placed just put something like (the name of the gun-followed by- custom version) it would look like *BKO 2000 custom made*
Respone alright i changed the name of the gun in the gallery except for the gold bko , unsure if its a 2004 model or possibly a 2003- 2003.5 I will change it as soon as i get the info.
[edit] Sorry Maverick423.
Sorry to tell you this, but I am one of the worlds foremost BKO Experts. You need to Respect that position and not Assume that you know who I am or what I Know. Darryl Hadfield as mentioned earlier is an Admin at the Owner's group that I also Admin. He's is very reputable as well. My business partner to which I produce parts for various ICD markers was ICD's head tech (10 years) and is responsible for the invention of the BKO paintball marker. Respect - That is the word of the day.
Yours truely, Spitlebug@hotmail.com
Spitlebug 00:29, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
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