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[edit] Median household income

There are two figures - one in the Introduction, and one in the Economics section. I removed the one in the Economics section because it has no citation. The other figure is from the IHT article

[edit] Its Maithili

Its funny when people edit these pages without even taking the trouble to google. Maithili was spelled Methli; no wonder the alienation of an uprooted people, who cannot recall the kingdom of Mithila where Goddess Sita came from. It really is funny.

[edit] Demographic and Cultural Profile

Why does somebody delete my statement that Indian Americans are also well represented as taxi cab drivers? Anybody who lives in U.S. know that Indians are highly represented as cab drivers. Is it because it does not sound as fancy as being doctors and computer engineers?

I heard it was mostly paks that drive the taxis. Gujus mostly to the shops and hotels. --Dangerous-Boy

Do you have evidence? The plural of anecdote is not data, but the majority of taxi drivers I've taken rides with (in the Boston area, in the Philadelphia area, and in the San Francisco Bay Area, are of Indian origin, mostly Sikh (many of them clean shaven).

But for some data, here are some sources: Also, 60% of the members of the New York Taxi Workers Alliance are from [1]

From another source: "It is estimated that 65-80% of New York City's 25,000 taxi drivers are Sikhs." [2]

I'm adding back the statement that Indian Americans are also well represented as taxi cab drivers.

Arun 08:33, September 1, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Population Figure

"Numbering at least 2.5 million, Indian Americans account for slightly less than 1% of the total population of the United States"

2.5 million is the wrong number. According to the 2000 census, there were 1.6 million Asian Indians in United States or about 0.6% of the total population. July 25, 2005

Footnote 7 links to a population distribution map among all 50 states. I found it on the Indian Embassy webpage and the data from which it is complied comes from the U.S. census bureau and India Abroad Center for Political Awareness.....so you know it's credible. OhioDesi 19:51, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Asian Group

"the official stance became to classify Indians as Asian despite acknowledging that many anthropologists classify Indians as Caucasian and not as Mongoloid."

What does the term "Asian" has to do with being "Caucasion" or "Mongoloid". Not all Indians are classified as "caucasion" by Antropologists. Only the North Indians are classified as "caucasion". Besides, the term "caucasion" does not mean anyhting. Indians are not considered "caucasion" in Western countries. Caucasion in America only refers to European Americans. 27 July, 2005.

According to U.S. courts and census bureau, Middle Easterners (not Indians) are considered Caucasian, so your assertion that "Caucasian in America only refers to European Americans" is invalid.



American Indians, Pakistanis, and Bangalis refer to themselves as Desi (meaning "country men"), and usually forget about the political strife between the three countries which share very similiar cultures.

article is about indian americans, not paks and bangladeshis. There is already a pak american article.

"What does the term "Asian" has to do with being "Caucasion" or "Mongoloid". Not all Indians are classified as "caucasion" by Antropologists. Only the North Indians are classified as "caucasion". Besides, the term "caucasion" does not mean anyhting. Indians are not considered "caucasion" in Western countries. Caucasion in America only refers to European Americans."

No actually South Indians are classified as Caucasion as well. Theo only difference is skin color (being closer to the equator). 97% of all Indians (both North and South) belong to a caucasoid race of the mediterranean sub-branch. Also in America Russians, and Southwest Asians (Middle Easterners) are classified as caucasion, despite being Asian themselves. So race classifications often contradict themselves. Zachorious 03:31, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bend it like Beckham?

Should Bend it like Beckham be included in the films sections even though it's british? --Dangerous-Boy

First of all, paks and bangladeshis are not desi. Desi is a name we indians give to greet other indians. Pakkis just want to be included. Let them find themself some other urdu word. Bend it like Beckhams should be included as it covers all the indian american sentiments. Location is less important than the subject. In this case the subject is universal and applies to indians everywhere(out side of india).

 Finally i end with a message to all the pakkis and bangladeshi's.  Stop identifying yourself with US!!!!

-You are so ignorant. We Pakistanis are the closest thing to you Indians, other than your fellow Indians. Our languge is the same as Hindi, just an overemphasis of Persian and Arabic vocabulary, as you guys overemphasize Sanskrit, (after independence). Our culture, customs, sentiments (for the most part) and languages are the same. We Pakistanis are majority Panjabis and Sindhis (i persoanlly am a Pathan but I feel proud of Punjabi ancestry as well). We are as much desi as others. Remember, a bloody violent partition is not enough to cut us off from each other. We are as tied together as Syrians and Lebanese are tied to each other. -User: Afghan Historian

I disgree. If you wanted to be apart us, you would have stayed. I have nothing incommon with a paki. Go join the arabs. that's what you center your culture around.--Dangerous-Boy 09:35, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not a place to stir up nationalistic rhetoric. This page is starting to sound ominously like Talk:Aryan_invasion_theory. While YOU may feel you have nothing in common with people from Pakistan (I think Paki is a slur like brownie, coolie, etc, btw!), at my Uni, and many other Unis around the country, communities from all of the greater Indian subcontinent are very tightly bonded. Vvuppala 10:24, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
To each his own. ALthough I don't agree with your statement.--Dangerous-Boy 17:55, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
I think "Indian" should encompass any South Asian who feels Indian. There are thousands of years of Hindu history and Indus Valley history buried beneath Pakistan. True, modern-day Pakistani curriculum discards any evidence of a pre-Islamic civilization, but the same was true between the Christian Holy Roman Empire which all but denied that it was once a pagan Roman civilization, and the Eastern Byzantine empire which continued the literature, technology, and values of the original Romans. 80% of Pakistanis will probably rather never remember that they share anything with India, but 20% are quite aware that Pakistan is a modern creation and in antiquity it was Indian, and in even earlier antiquity it was Hindu. - Thoreaulylazy 05:13, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Bend It Like Beckham is a film whose main protagonist is a British Asian. 65% of the film is about Jess's family (her, her sister and her sister's boyfriend, etc.), and in addition, the film was co-written by and directed by yet another British Asian. So, yes, I think that this film deserves to be in that category. No question. -- Jalabi99 06:24, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Classification

As for scientific classification, an Indian can be classified as causasian or mongoloid depending on which part of India you go to. There is even some negro. Most Indians probably put down asian American on surveys. Not causasian. --Dangerous-Boy

See United States v. Bhagat Singh Thind and Luce-Celler Act of 1946 for opinions of the Unites States govt. regarding the classification of Indians. While anthropologists may classify many Indians as Caucasian, the US govt, for legislative and census purposes, classify Indians as Asian. This is important because many laws and quotas are race-based. Thus, Indians are counted as Asian when tallying the Asian quota of UC (University of California) schools, as well as when tallying minorities to ensure large corps are diverse. The U.S. census is "self-described" affiliation, so a blue-eyed blonde of Nordic descent can check "African American"; however, many census-style forms explicitly mention "Asian (including Indian sub-continent)" to reduce doubts. --thoreaulylazy

You should add that info into the section. --Dangerous-Boy

Somebody added this, which I have removed: The Supreme Court determined that to be part of the White Race a region needed to be 2 out of 3 things: white-skinned, Caucasian, and from the West -- the 2/3 White Race Rule. The Indian Subcontinent was determined to neither be white-skinned nor from the West, being only (1)Caucasian, so they were determined to not be part of the White Race. Similarly, the Far East was determined to be neither Caucasian nor from the West, only being (1)white-skinned, so they were determined to not be part of the White Race. The Supreme Court case's name was (Ozawa v. United States 1922). Therefore, people from the Indian Subcontinent are Asian because they’re Asian “from the East”. In this sense, "from the East" and "from the West" refers to the 2 major religious groups of Eurasia. The "from the West" group: Jewish, Bahai, Christian, and Islamic religions are all similar to each other. In contrast, the "from the East" group, Hindu, Jain, Shinto, Daoist, Confucist, and Buddhist, are all similar to each other. The Middle East, unlike the Indian Subcontinent and the Far East, passed the 2/3 White Race rule. They are White because they are (1)Caucasian and (2)“from the West”, lacking only being "white-skinned". They are “from the West” because it was argued that the Arabs were historically the roots of Western civilization and they're Muslim. This Supreme Court case's name was (Ex parte Mohriez). There was no cite and I couldn't find any evidence of this when I searched. I put more reasons for the remove in United States v. Bhagat Singh Thind since the same person added this content there as well. Moreover, the results I found for Ex parte Mohriez seemed to all show that Arabians were found to be not White, contrary to what the original poster had mentioned - and, it was a 1944 verdict, which has nothing to do with the 1923 US v Thind case. To clear up the mess of classification once and for all, I've added a timetable of United States classification of Indians. --thoreaulylazy

It was done by User:Dark Tichondrias. I can't tell if he's a vandal. ----Dangerous-Boy

US paki's don't identify ourselves as Indians thus the name PAKI

[edit] what else needs work?

I think the article still needs to be fleshed out more. I want to make it even better than the chinese and filipino ones. What else do u guys think do we need to work on? --Dangerous-Boy

  • I see sentences about politics, voting, affliations etc are spead out throughout the article. Bringing all of them under one section would be good --Vyzasatya 01:53, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
Go ahead. Dangerous-Boy 05:14, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] age bias

the article shows clear age bias. the focus seems to be entirely on people 21+, who have emigrated to the US for jobs. many indian-americans are of my generation, and grew up in america. i realize there is already and article for the so-called "ABCD", however, at least some of that information needs to make its way into this article. also, i don't identify as ABCD, because I was born in India and still speak and read/write telugu. there are plenty of things that can be added to make this article more well rounded.

Vvuppala 02:19, 12 October 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Swadhyaya Pariwar

I saw that the edit that added Swadhyay Pariwar to the list of cultural establishments. When that edit was removed on charge of vandalism, I looked on Google- Swadhyay Pariwar actually does exist, and does have centers in the US. I have reverted to the edit that includes the Swadyay Pariwar amongst the list of institutions.

Vvuppala 18:59, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Yes they are quite big among Gujarati people.Bakaman 18:19, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Voting/Discussion for Merge ABCD into Indian American as a section

I think the whole article should be moved over here. Having a whole entry on ABCD seems more like a Wiktionary thing to me. -Joshuapaquin 08:26, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
I support the Joshua's idea. That is apt --Vyzasatya 14:48, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

I don't think it article should be merged. ABCD deals with a lot more issues to all south asian people, not jsut Indian Americans. --Dangerous-Boy 01:15, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

I dont foresee ABCD article growing more than what it is at present. With slight changes it will perfectly fit into Indian American as a section. If you look at what links to it you only see Indian related articles only. So none of the other relevant parties seems to be concerned about it --Vyzasatya 06:31, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
To remove ABCD as a separate article is akin to removing pages like Jewish-American Princess, Fresh off the boat, and others that occupy a similar social use and position in language. It would display Eurocentric bias to remove it, imo, and additionally serve no purpose. --Saurav
Saurav, merging the two articles serves the purpose of keeping Wikipedia separate from Wiktionary. A simple definition of the term "ABCD" does not need its own article. Please do keep in mind that the subject matter is not disappearing, it is moving to a location that gives it context. ABCD is an integral part of the Indian American identity. If you feel as though Indian American and American-Born Confused Desi are such separate topics, please do elaborate that. Also, I don't see how merging the two articles represents "Eurocentrism"? Vvuppala 09:12, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
Jook-sing for the chinese is not merged with the chinese american article. --Dangerous-Boy 21:36, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Thats because Jook-sing has enough written to be a seperate article and ABCD not. Dangerous-Boy I respect your opinions but consensus seems to be for merger. --Vyzasatya 21:11, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
merger complete. I made ABCD a section in this article --Vyzasatya 21:20, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Race-based laws

In the "classification" section it says that classification of Indian Americans as "Asian" has consequences because many laws and quotas are race-based. Well, clearly many quotas are race-based, but are there really any state or federal laws that could be described as "race-based"? If so, which ones? Babajobu 11:40, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Indian Voting Patterns

The article is showing signs of bias in discussing Indian Republicans. The article says

"Also, many Indian-Americans are extremely wealthy, and thus tend to vote Republican, while others identify as minorities and tend to vote Democrat. This, in turn has lessened the effectiveness of lobbying for Indian-American causes."

This sentence is rife with unsupported assumptions. It implies that only wealthy Indians vote Republican, being wealthy leads people to vote Republican and that those who consider themselves to be minorities vote Democrat instead of Republican.

A similar sentence is found in another part of the article:

"Indian Americans as a whole tend to vote in U.S. elections for Democratic candidates. However, because of the number of extremely successful and wealthy Indian professionals and entrepreneurs, there is also a sizable Indian Republican vote."

Many Indians vote Republicans not because they are are wealthy but because they have conservative moral values. Others vote Republicans because they are business-owners and find Republicans to be business-friendly. Remember most business owners are not rich - they are middle class. In addition many Indians are wealthy ABCDs who vote Democratic because they are socially liberal. I suggest deleting these explanations for why Indians vote Republican (unless someone offers evidence-based explanations) and replacing them with a sentence such as:

"The majority of Indian Americans vote Democratic in national elections, however a substantial minority of Indian Americans vote Republican."

What do you guys think?

It would be interesting if we could find a source that discussed why different segments of the Indian-American population vote differently. Do Americans born in India more frequently vote Republican? Do their American-born children more frequently vote Democrat? Do business owners more frequently vote Republican? Et cetera. But unless we can find an actual source, maybe it would be better to remove the sweeping generalities, yeah. Babajobu 16:21, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

The only poll of Indian American voting patterns, indicated that in 2004, South Asians (which is a reasonable proxy for Indians in this context), went 90-9 for Kerry against Bush- Asian "Natural Republicans" vote 75% Democratic Arun 10:02, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

It was still there. So I removed it and added some things about political clout. Superdosh 21:23, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
I believe that the article Asian "Natural Republicans" vote 75% Democratic is using a survey of the Indian-American voting of the Bush vs. Kerry Presidential Election of 2004. This does not show preference for a political party. It only shows preference for candidate. The second problem is that it uses a sample size of 99 voters. This sample size is too small. Therefore any conclusions built on this data is an extrapolation.
There is also another link that Vote Getters seems like it charges to see the article.
I suggest that we try to find better sources and delete these links. -Emmadi 12:05, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
I agree that 99 voters is too small of a sample size, but it seems to be the best survey out there. Also preference for a presidential candidate can be a proxy for party preference . If you can also find some national data on party registration, congressional/state/local candidate voting patterns, better presidential election surveys, endorsement by various Indian American associations, that would be great. But you should add them to the existing data, until we get too much concrete data that we have to remove the less noteworthy sources. Arun 16:50, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Intro

I reverted User:Dangerous-Boy's revert as:

Asian Indian is the current US Census term for Indian Americans, not "East Indian". East Indian was formerly used colloquially, though not as a US Census term for people from the Indian subcontinent. Speculation about the total South Asian American population should go in the South Asian American article. This article is strictly about the Indian American population.

Arun 10:16, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

sorry. I thought the user was vandalizing by deleting so much stuff.--Dangerous-Boy 19:41, 11 January 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Edited out Zogby report

Edited out: "See external link for a comparative media portrayal: [http://www.niaf.org/research/report_zogby.asp"

(1)Is this a peer reviewed study? (2)"People from India" are not in the report. For many Americans, "Asian American" or "Asiatic" refers to Chinese. For example, see the Wikipedia article Asian in other English-speaking countries. (Remember, the Zogby report was asking teenagers, not United States government officials. 4.228.90.84 03:31, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Flawed Population Figures

The population figures, seeming quoted from the US Census of 2000 are highly incorrect. The 1.6 million figure is apparently taken from the the census where it is denoted for "Asian in combination with one or more other races" and NOT Indian American. It should be further noted that the same 1.6 million is further divided 5 sub-groups including Asian White, Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander, and even Asian Black. Not all of these can be categorized as "Indian American". Now I am not here to tell you that there aren't so many Indians in America, just that the source of are quoting does not match up with what is being said in the article. So either find a better source, or remove the 1.6 million figure.

Reference: http://www.census.gov/prod/2002pubs/c2kbr01-16.pdf

--H2d2 22:23, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

No, the number is correct. Go to the following US government website http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/SAFFIteratedFacts?_event=&geo_id=01000US&_geoContext=01000US&_street=&_county=&_cityTown=&_state=&_zip=&_lang=en&_sse=on&ActiveGeoDiv=&_useEV=&pctxt=fph&pgsl=010&_submenuId=factsheet_2&ds_name=DEC_2000_SAFF&_ci_nbr=013&qr_name=DEC_2000_SAFF_R1010&reg=DEC_2000_SAFF_R1010%3A013&_keyword=&_industry= The exact figure for "Asian Indian alone" is 1678765. For "Asian Indian alone or in combination with other races" the figure is 1899599.

[edit] Asok the intern

This character was introduced way, way earlier than 2003 -- he was around at least as early as 1996.

[edit] areas that still need work

  • Cultural establishments
  • Entertainment

citations

  • Disunity
  • Assimilation

--Dangerous-Boy 20:55, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Also, moving out the racial classification into another article. Arun 07:47, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image of "an Indian American boy"

Is this really necessary? I mean it seems bit silly. Not every article needs an image. In this case, I find it both funny and sad. That image can be of anyone anywhere in the world. I can't think of the words but it looks rather ridiculous. --Blacksun 04:58, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Some cleanup

Got rid of the not very relevant Indian American image, some unfounded speculation, made some corrections (people want to keep removing the fact that many Indians are cab drivers. Also added a few "Citation needed" tags, where they would be useful.

Arun 07:43, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I kind of liked that image. Also, we might need to clean out some of the links section.--Dangerous-Boy 18:04, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
LoL "not very relevant" is rather diplomatic :P --Blacksun 19:23, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Disunity

There is a clear unified Indian-American voice in the U.S. political system. Indian-Americans have a PAC (Political Action Committee), the US India PAC (www.usinpac.com). Their goal is to represent Indian-Americans and offer a clear unified voice for the Indian-American community in American politics. They do offer bipartisan support to candidates while representing the community.

It is true that Indians vote for different parties just as Caucasians and Hispanics but it does not mean that there is not a clear voice for the Indian-Americans in American politics. I believe that there is confusion as how sub-communities differ on opinions on issues such as culture, language and traditions with politics.

I suggest that there be two categories one that shows that there is disunion between the regional communities and one that shows that there is a clear voice for Indian-Americans in the US political system while showing that the Indian-American community shows support for both the Right and Left wing.

Hello anonymous user. It will be easier to participate in conversations if you create an account and sign your messages, by placing ~~~~ at the end of all of your messages. I have a couple points about your last comment. First, how prominent is this group? The following article Vote Getters seems to indicate that there are several other groups. Also, there are several industry groups which additionally have political platforms like the Asian American Hoteliers Association. This statement is a bit sweeping.
Arun 15:55, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Also, www.usinpac.com seems to have a broken webpage.
Arun 15:57, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
I have heard of US India PAC. It is new but fairly prominent group. The link www.usinpac.com seems to work for me. Annonymous has a point. I don't think that industry groups like hotel really attempt to represent the whole indian-american community. US India pac does have a presence in lobying [3]. --72.193.109.15 09:36, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] get rid of disunity section?

The politics section seems to cover it.--Dangerous-Boy 07:18, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree, I believe that it should be deleted. I would also like to suggest a clean-up of Politics. -Emmadi 11:38, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spelling bee competition

Is it worth noting that spelling bee competitions regularly have Indian Americans in the top 10. They were also past winners. In 2006, that was shown live on ABC yesterday, Rajeev came 4th. - Ganeshk (talk) 17:24, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

He didn't try hard enough! should have made first!--Dangerous-Boy 17:53, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hate crimes

I'ver heard of a couple.[4]

another one had a hindu temple in minnasota vandalized.--Dangerous-Boy 20:09, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Famous indians

Are there any notable indians that could be added to this page? for example, the Asian American article talks about various people who have made in impact in the arts, sports, science etc. There has to be a least one or two notable indian americans...right? Wangster 15:37, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm sure there are scientists.--Dangerous-Boy 18:16, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
There's a complete list at List of Indian Americans. How about Nobel Prize winners Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar and Har Gobind Khorana? --Musicpvm 21:05, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My Space accounts marking the "East Indian" category

A lot of My Space accounts mark "East Indian" who do not look like people with original origins from India. Living Dead Girl has marked the "East Indian" category, but does not look Indian. She looks like she has original origins from northern Europeans. She has also listed a ficticious height of 1'1" and the improbable hobby of being a body builder. Another account, Geometric has facial features (person on left) which look too European to possibly be a North Indian marked "East Indian" but said she was also a "taxi cab driver" and in high school which would not seem both likely to be true. I do not know what to make of the self-identification of these people as "East Indian". Do some people who do not have origins from India self-identify as Indian Americans? Another interpretation is that these two people do not really identify as Indian, but are marking categories as jokes. I would like to hear what other users think.--Dark Tichondrias 03:10, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Wow, so everything you read on the Internet, isn't true ?
Seriously though, 'East Indian' as an identifier kinda obscure in terms of American ethno-racial classification system, unlike Black, White, Asian and Hispanic classifications the term 'East Indian' is largely unpoliticized. Which is probably why non-Indian Americans are comfortable with using it as a gag identity.
Regardless, I fail to see how what teens say about themselves on 'myspace' is relevant to an encyclopedia article. VirafPatel 18:26, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Macaca" and general article quality

Does anyone else think there needs to be an entry for or passing reference to "Macaca" in the discrimination section of the main article? Granted, it's not really that important, but the media seems abuzz with it. Also, the list of famous Indian-Americans in the main article is paltry and the choice of using Rep. Jindal (R-LA) for a portrait picture is suspect, in my opinion. Once I get time to spend, I'll try to clean up the main article some, but if others want to try, there's a better chronicle of Indian American heroes/accomplishments at somebody's blog. The blog itself seems to be a sort of retort to the recent macaca-incident (however important/unimportant it is), but it seems to do a better job of conveying the essense of being Indian-American (emphasizing the -American part in terms of how Indian-Americans have improved America) than the main wiki article for Indian-Americans. Also, it does a better job of not totally focussing on Indian Americans since post-1990s lest readers think the '90s were the birth of us. My 2 cents. -- Thoreaulylazy 05:40, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Those two pics should be removed. put Upendra J. Chivukula in instead. Macaca should be mentioned.--D-Boy 21:54, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ABCD origin

From my recollection, isn't ABCD a description created by particular sects of desi people (i.e. Indians born in india and living in american, of whom characterized American born Indian people who have "lost their ethnic ways")? From this article, one would assume that the term ABCD was created by ethnicities other than east indians.

66.182.249.211 03:49, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Added to cultural establishment on Indian American Churches

Added to cultural establishment, a portion on indian american churches representing various indian ethnicities, with link to Indian american Churches Directory site[5]. Also added malayalis as part of recent indian ethnicities coming to america.--71.30.188.223 04:22, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

xtianity didn't come from india. it came from the middle east. xtianity was already etablished before indians came to america.--D-Boy 21:55, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

D-Boy, your statement is a little confusing. You might have been too quick to read my statement, read it again and consider what you said. Nothing in the previous statement or the additions made make any historical claims for the origins of Christianity or geography. I am hoping you are not initiating any attack or confrontation. I am taking good faith in that you aren't and have misread statement. Please have a good day --71.30.188.223 04:23, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

I think you read my statement too quick.--D-Boy 08:07, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, thats a very mature comeback. If you have a anti-indian christian POV please keep it to yourself. No ones bothering you, so don't bother others. From what I've seen most people just want to contribute here in wiki, take their example, and keep at that. Have a good day--71.30.188.223 02:33, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

D-Boy definitely isnt anti-Indian. He wants to remove the link to some nn church only because he's a desi.Bakaman Bakatalk 23:16, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Beg your pardon, who are you? What does it matters if he's desi or not? More importantly what business is this of yours?And it was anti-indian christian POV, not anti-indian, please read more carefully, thanks, have a good day--71.30.177.228 04:27, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

I've been working on this article since it was a stub. What you are doing is putting religious proganda. This article was pretty secular. You make it sound that there are more xtians than muslims from india. --D-Boy 23:32, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
I practically created Category:Indian Americans (I added over 100+ ppl to that category). Anyways there are more Indian Muslims than Indian Christians in the US, and every nn church doesnt deserve a spot on the article.The majority of Japanese American (per this article: Japanese_American#Religion) are Chirstian so they et a para of recogntion in the article. Christians are nowhere near the majority, or even a burgeoning minority among Indian Americans. Indian Christians rarely set up their own churches, they are usually absorbed into mainstream churches anyways. Bakaman Bakatalk 16:53, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
This is true.--D-Boy 23:33, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually, everything you have said is irrevelant. It has nothing to do with the subject I'm addressing. A very prejudiced opposition to my subject is shown by your statements. On top of that this has nothing do to with you. Baka you have no proprietary rights here, get over it, D-boy, stop your harassment, and stop spreading nonsense. This article is far from secular if only one religion is allowed to be heard. Your behavior is very discriminatory and has nothing to do with improving this article. Think about your actions carefully, ganging up on people for your kicks reveals your true selves.--71.30.177.228 03:27, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

If anyone is being harassed or discriminated against, it me by you. You accused me of being anti-indian and anti-xtian. I have not removed any of the content that you added. I suggest you apologize immediately and cease desist from your current actions. It's unfair to wikipedia that you are perscuting people on such biased claims. I think you should think about what you have done and how it has affected others in this matter. Also, you do not have proprietary rights here either. I also suggest you obtain a username.--D-Boy 00:17, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Good point IP. I'm goin to list out every Hindu organization in the Us, every IMuslim org, every Parsi org, every IBuddhist org etc. Wikipedia is not secular.Bakaman Bakatalk 02:43, 1 November 2006 (UTC)


Aren't you guys done talking nonsense yet? Have you nothing better to do other than gang up on people and patting each other on the back after? Heres let me help you out. Baka you actually have a pretty good suggestion about the listing of every religious organization. D-Boy help him with the research. Go find the diverse organizations of every Indian American faith, or you can just concentrate on your favorite, Hinduism. I totally would support that as it would make the article more interesting and indepth. Also it would give you something to do other than going around provoking people and making things up. Heres a suggestion, do some of the lesser known cultural organization of other parts of India, such as south indian Hindu societies(i.e., Nair Service Society, Sree Narayana Guru Society) These usually don't get enough mention. South indian hindu cultural institutions especially need more coverage. Why don't you guys go make yourselves useful and start on that. Bring it back to me if you still need some guidance. Happy hunting--71.30.177.228 03:55, 1 November 2006 (UTC)


Baka(I'm assuming you're the one that made all the changes, correct me anyone if thats incorrect) thanks for taking my advice and channeling your energies into something productive. This is mostly the same thing I said on User:Deepujoseph talk page [[6]] , here it is again. I welcome the additions to the sections on the other faiths and ethnic organizations as we need to portray how diverse the Indian-american community is. I told you that was a good idea, you should come up with more without the sarcasm. I will probably add a couple more things to give a clearer and more indepth picture, but I must say you did some work there. I wish you added a little more diversity in some of the institutions(different regions, unique organizations, NSS SNDP, Mar Thoma, Aga Khan's), but we can work that in later. Oh and post next time you change a whole section that another person contributed to, as I know I would like to know any changes of my words, its the polite thing to do. I will do some more additions in the near future to help. Have a goodnite--71.30.177.228 04:47, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

If you make an account you would see the changes on your watchlist anyways. My edit summary is notification enough since you seem to view this page everyday, a task made easier by the watchlist function. The only time I explain edits is if im reverting or theres a dispute.Bakaman Bakatalk 04:07, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sexual Predators, Indian Americans

Whats the reason people want to hide the ugly details of this High-Achieving community?

Is there some rationale for RV this??
-       ==Crime==        
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-       ==Sexual Predators==     
-       As of Nov, 2006, Dateline program aired on MSNBC, in their sting operation on adults who try to make illegal-contact     
-       with children for crimes including underage-sex, caught 7 Indians, among the total 29.   
-       People include,          
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-       # Jaswinder Cheema, 30, San Jose, Bose Electronics manager,      
-       # Pulkit Mathur, 25, Sunnyvale, executive,       
-       # Chandrashekhar Nonna, 31, Oakland, S3 Tech Solutions engineer,         
-       # Gopichand Pai, 25, Sunnyvale, TCS software engineer.   
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-       The complete list can be accessed from ''Argus Courier'' local newspaper of Petaluma,    
-       where the operation was held. See ''Argus Courier'' website [http://www1.arguscourier.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060906/NEWS01/60905007].          
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-       The ''MSNBC Dateline'' Video of the operation can be viewed at, [http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15130487/page/6/ | MSNBC Dateline Video of the Petaluma, Child Predators Operation].

BTW a new google search on these names shows up this: http://www.india-forum.com/forums/index.php?s=2a2ff779e0d8da69615ce8c33c3384bf&showtopic=1297&pid=61219&st=60&#entry61219, and as for the lame excuse that these guys arent Indians, well nobody in the whole world has names like these, which is a fact, and in the Video @ MSNBC (listed in ref) the anchor clearly mentions these guys being Indians. Well, if the person who RV'ed it is blind, I dont think Wikipedia should overlook FACTS.

--பராசக்தி 20:05, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

First, how about giving WP:NPA a read? Second, the article does not mention Indians, and even if it did, information about this one program definitely does not belong in the Indian American article. This is just POV to the extreme. You even added a list of names. It is ridiculous. What does this have to do with Indian Americans as a whole? Absolutely nothing. --musicpvm 21:20, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
The only Indians I heard up that raped kids were some indian xtians priests in NYC. I don't this belongs in the article since the american articles don't have it.--D-Boy 03:11, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Well WP:NPA!! Was I attacking anyone saying it was a lame argument? Anyway, we can all uncomfortably stomach the details, that Indian-Americans donot have any criminal activity. I mean, its just a fact right? I was just pointing out whats happening, and I dont know how it becomes POV. Please explain that. And Please see the video on MSNBC, and donot argue that they dont mention Indians at all. Anyway.. you can decide, its noway on the top of my list... and Im thinking twice before I run into anyones toes here... great to know how this article works.—Preceding unsigned comment added by MuthuKutty (talk • contribs) 02:43, November 25, 2006

[edit] Anatomy section?

The anatomy section is laughable. I have edited it to separate the assertions of racial similarity and penis size, and included requests for references.

24.7.67.118 11:30, 10 December 2006 (UTC)Concerned Indian American

I removed the anatomy section. Is there an anatomy section for other American immigrants? --BostonMA talk 13:34, 10 December 2006 (UTC)