Talk:In Search of Space
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Assessed article as "Start" & album as "Mid" importance. Megamanic 05:45, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Cover As T-Shirt
Recently I was in David Jones in Perth (A large department store) and noticed a ladies fashion T-Shirt that was an almost exact facsimile of the album cover of "In Search Of Space"
My wife wouldn't let me photograph it so I have no evidence but is this relevant?
Megamanic 03:45, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Personnel
Robert Calvert isn't credited on this album, but is he doing the vocals on Adjust Me, or is it Brock? Also, Dik Mik is credited on the album but I suspect that he doesn't play on it having left the band imbetween May and August. Can anyone clarify these two things? Drwhawkfan 00:51, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
On the official Huw LL site here() it claims he played on this one - shurely shome mistake--C Hawke 13:43, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Citations
All of the statements I've been asked to cite a reference for are common knowledge amongst many followers of the band, so I'm unsure as to when citations are required or not. For example, if I were to say Dave Brock had been a busker, need a reference or quote be cited for that? I'm unsure as to where the boundary is over these things, but I do think the ISOS page is now a little bit over the top. I'm also perplexed as to why someone would make a change, 'Huw Lloyd-Langton left the band for religious reasons', and then ask for citation on it. Perhaps the reasons for Huw's departure should be omited entirely, I'm feeling uncomfortable about this. Drwhawkfan 08:31, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
- I'm not one of the citation nuts but I can understand their point. Try and imagine a hypothetical reader who's just been told about Hawkwind & wants to find out more. What we tell them should be factual, encyclopediaic (sp?) and with citations to give them further reading. I have less problem in pop-culture pages like this one in being a bit POV as long as it's balanced. I mean there are certain albums the majority of us would recommend to a first time listener and those albums would probably all have Lemmy on bass ;) That I consider to be helpful to newbies so I wouldn't delete it if someone put either in the discography or the main article something like: "listen to Space Ritual, Mountain Grill, Warrior & if you're still listening try Quark or Hawklords to see the way they evolved, after that fill in the gaps but take care buying anything after Levitation". Others would delete it giving some po faced "we're an encyclopedia" guff to which I retort, "How many other encyclopedias have full episode summaries of Star Trek and the Simpsons and Jabba the Hut as a Featured Article, get over yourselves & embrace wikipedia's differences". You're facing a bit of that but don't worry. You're making a great contribution - just cite one or more of the band bio books. Citation monsters won't bother to check & 99.9% of the stuff you're writing is in there anyway if they do. Megamanic 02:01, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
- If you did add that to the discography I think it would be too much POV - by all means highlight the differences in style and approach the the band have adopted, especially pointing out where style radically changes (Astounding Sounds in the 70s, the trancy stuff in the 90s, and the back to rock music with TMTYL are three points worth making) but making a judgement on their worth may be too much - who knows, people may like 60 minutes of synthesized washes - after all people even like Tangerine Dream :-D On the issue of Hugh leaving, I think it is about right now, as Drwhawkfan says, most fans no the full story, but like a lot of histories from this period it is hard to cite for. The facts are as stated - he took LSD and had a bad time, and didn't want to risk it again - I think maybe "leaving to find god" is as bit wrong, from Sonic Assassin's account this was during the bad trip - he left the band because he didn't want to risk taking LSD again - I thought HLL had always had a strong Christian faith, and would need to "find god" --C Hawke 09:42, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
- If there's POV, quite rightly remove it. I've tried to be as objective as possible, but I may well have inadvertently added non-factual statements, and sometimes when I've written something like "Sonic Attack is one of their most Heavy Metal type records" I've wondered whether I can justify it, but some sort of description of their music and lyrics is required. As far as HLL, I don't get the fuss - "Without the miracle happening, I would have ended up being institutionalised eventually, or I would have died or killed myself, I don't know. Although at the time, I was too afraid of death after my acid experiences to have killed myself. I totally believe, and have done ever since, that it was God, whoever God is, that brought me through the breakdown and out of it. Then I went through all the various beliefs, searching for who God was" is pretty unequivocal. But again 1) perhaps this is all too personal for this article, and 2) originally it was just a simple comment on the reason for Huw not appearing on this record - this article should be about this record, not about Huw and I'm in mind to totally remove all of these references from it. Drwhawkfan 11:18, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
- I think mentioning HLL is worth doing, as it contradicts what the LLG band site says, which says he played on the first 2 LPs. All our info seems to show he didn't, so leaving this in will give a chance for anyone who know differently to challenge it!
- If there's POV, quite rightly remove it. I've tried to be as objective as possible, but I may well have inadvertently added non-factual statements, and sometimes when I've written something like "Sonic Attack is one of their most Heavy Metal type records" I've wondered whether I can justify it, but some sort of description of their music and lyrics is required. As far as HLL, I don't get the fuss - "Without the miracle happening, I would have ended up being institutionalised eventually, or I would have died or killed myself, I don't know. Although at the time, I was too afraid of death after my acid experiences to have killed myself. I totally believe, and have done ever since, that it was God, whoever God is, that brought me through the breakdown and out of it. Then I went through all the various beliefs, searching for who God was" is pretty unequivocal. But again 1) perhaps this is all too personal for this article, and 2) originally it was just a simple comment on the reason for Huw not appearing on this record - this article should be about this record, not about Huw and I'm in mind to totally remove all of these references from it. Drwhawkfan 11:18, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
- If you did add that to the discography I think it would be too much POV - by all means highlight the differences in style and approach the the band have adopted, especially pointing out where style radically changes (Astounding Sounds in the 70s, the trancy stuff in the 90s, and the back to rock music with TMTYL are three points worth making) but making a judgement on their worth may be too much - who knows, people may like 60 minutes of synthesized washes - after all people even like Tangerine Dream :-D On the issue of Hugh leaving, I think it is about right now, as Drwhawkfan says, most fans no the full story, but like a lot of histories from this period it is hard to cite for. The facts are as stated - he took LSD and had a bad time, and didn't want to risk it again - I think maybe "leaving to find god" is as bit wrong, from Sonic Assassin's account this was during the bad trip - he left the band because he didn't want to risk taking LSD again - I thought HLL had always had a strong Christian faith, and would need to "find god" --C Hawke 09:42, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
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- Don't think there is anything wrong with saying stuff like Sonic Attack being a heavy LP,Distant Horizons being a very ambient one, WOTEOT having several spoken tracks etc. It all goes to help in showing the band's changes over time, saying a LP isn't very good because it is heavy/ambient/too much spoken stuff is POV - as you've linked to external sites such as Starfarer's anyone really interested who hasn't heard them will at least be able to see one person's honest views! --C Hawke 13:24, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Name
In older discographies this is listed as X In Search of Space - as that is what it says on the cover - any thoughts anyone?--C Hawke 13:26, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
That was Barney Bubbles who titled both In Search Of Space and Doremi Fasol Latido. You can clearly see on the front cover it says X IN SEARCH OF SPACE, but the spine and labels from first pressing to reissues have always simply been In Search Of Space. Some Hawkwind fans get a bit shirty over the X, I don't see the big deal myself, but it may be worth noting to please the pedants. Barney liked his graphics, and I've noticed someone has added a note about the message on the reverse of the cover where Barney went made with the letraset, but "a demonstration of the heavy metal umlaut" is a stretch in my opinion. Drwhawkfan 14:37, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
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- May not be worth it, I was just curious as to how many people used the X - it is a differnt case to Hawklords/25 years on where using both names is important to avoid confusion, anyone who confuses In search of space with or without the X shouldn't be allowed out on their own! --C Hawke 20:48, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
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