Talk:In My Country There Is Problem

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Articles for deletion This article was nominated for deletion on December 14 2006. The result of the discussion was Keep.

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[edit] Redirect?

There is nothing in this article that cannot be mentioned at Borat. Lyrics are likely WP:COPYVIO. Suggest that the redirect stay. --Kinu t/c 06:59, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

No, this article details the fisical place of the performance and its place in the tv show, and gives more info on its content and background. That's too much info to add to the Borat page for only a single part of a one of his segments. Also, it should rest aside of the rest since it's arguably its most controversial and notorious piece.

The lyrics are reported as information on the subject matter, not as content itself, as such they do not fall under any copyright restriction. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Barbabarba (talk • contribs) .

According to WP:COPYRIGHT#Using_copyrighted_work_from_others
All works are copyrighted unless they either fall into the public domain or their copyright is explicitly disclaimed
Since The Ali G Show is not available in the public domain, you need special permission from its rights holder(s) to reproduce the lyrics on Wikipedia. --Madchester 07:19, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
By that logic basically 99% of the pages in Wikipedia are illegal.
check this part:
If you use part of a copyrighted work under "fair use", or if you obtain special permission to use a copyrighted work from the copyright holder under the terms of our license, you must make a note of that fact (along with names and dates).

Probably I should have placed the fair use note in there. Those lyrics fall under the fair use policy, since are inherent part of the information described in the article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Barbabarba (talk • contribs) .

Sorry to say, but the full lyrics of a song are not fair use. A line or two might be -- it's rarely if ever acceptable to use the full contents of anything. Please see Wikipedia:Fair use criteria for more details. Luna Santin 07:34, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia policy infringements

Lyrics and youtube links of commercially available copyrighted work violates the following policies: Directly from WP:EL#Restrictions_on_linking:

"Sites that violate the copyrights of others per contributors' rights and obligations should not be linked. Linking to websites that display copyrighted works is acceptable as long as the website has licensed the work. Knowingly directing others to a site that violates copyright may be considered contributory infringement."

and Wikipedia:Copyrights#Linking_to_copyrighted_works:

"If you know that an external Web site is carrying a work in violation of the creator's copyright, please don't link to that copy of the work. Knowingly and intentionally directing others to a site that violates copyright has been considered a form of contributory infringement in the United States (Intellectual Reserve v. Utah Lighthouse Ministry).
Also, linking to a page that illegally distributes someone else's work sheds a bad light on Wikipedia and its editors."

Meanwhile KazakhPol's only argument against this has been "If Cohen wants to sue YouTube, Wikipedia could care less." Gdo01 04:18, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Requested Move - In My Country There is Problem

The song is actually called "In My Country There is Problem" and not Throw the Jew down the Well. This can be seen in both the original performance of the song as well as in the recent advert for the film soundtrack. [1] - hahnchen 21:47, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

  • Added: "...is the key line..." IZAK 11:10, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
    • True, it's the chorus, but wouldn't the song title make a more fitting title? - hahnchen 17:12, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
      • This article is not about any old song, it's about this highly inflamatory line in the song that is causing so much controversy which is what the article is about: all the commotion caused by "Throw the Jew Down the Well" -- whereas "In My Country There is Problem" is not rocking the boat and no-one would even know what that's about or what it's referring to. Similarly, it would be like calling Jerry Lewis "Joseph Levitch" or Leon Trotsky "Lev Davidovich Bronstein" (by their original given names) and no-one would know who or what you are referring to. IZAK 17:27, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
        • Absolutely not. Your analogies are ridiculous. Even though pretty much everyone thinks that the title of The Rockafeller Skank is "Funk Soul Brother" or "Check it out now", it's not. The song title is "In My Country There is Problem". One aspect about the song is that the first verse is a "safe verse" to lure people in. There are many songs in which the chorus line is a lot more popular, well known than the actual title. Yet we use the title as an article name. - hahnchen 18:23, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] This article is ridiculous

It is almost entirely an analysis of Cohen's overall approach to cultural criticism that borders on original research, and only tangentially discusses the song itself. I am tempted to whittle away everything that's not directly related to the topic at hand - the song itself. I am, frankly, disappointed this wasn't merged with Borat.--Dmz5 10:55, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Similar texts

Actually most of the first paragraphs is verbatin of the main Borat article. Looks like someone just pasted the text from one to another

--Dr. Pnz 15:40, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ADL condemnation

I chnaged the word codemn in the article refering to the ADL letters, i think that word is way too strong when you see what the letters actually state:

"While we understand this scene was an attempt to show how easily a group of ordinary people can be encouraged to join in an anti-Semitic chorus, we are concerned that the irony may have been lost on some of your audience – or worse, that some of your viewers may have simply accepted Borat's statements about Jews at face value"

"When approaching this film, one has to understand that there is absolutely no intent on the part of the filmmakers to offend, and no malevolence on the part of Sacha Baron Cohen, who is himself proudly Jewish. We hope that everyone who chooses to see the film understands Mr. Cohen's comedic technique, which is to use humor to unmask the absurd and irrational side of anti-Semitism and other phobias born of ignorance and fear."


They obviously weren't condeming it as a whole they were just likely over-reacting about, that other's won't get the satire involved with the character and just "buy in" to what he was saying. ---Duhon