Talk:In Bloom

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Unless this is a different version than the one on Nevermind, it wasn't recorded in Dec. of 1991. Flyerhell 05:50, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Well this is the Nevermind one so someone must have got something wrong.

[edit] POV

Removed this POV content:

Truth to be told, many fans of Nirvana didn't know what the lyrics to their songs were about; however, this was not just because of apathy but also because many fans had trouble understanding Cobain's then-unusual vocals. Still, some fans were apathetic to the lyrical content of Nirvana's songs, and instead listened to their music for the instrumental content.

That part is not POV. Kurt had often complained that many fans didn't pay attention to the lyrics. Furthermore, it was a known fact that many people had trouble understanding Kurt's voice; in fact, Weird Al parodied that fact in "Smells Like Nirvana". All of this is common knowledge to Nirvana fans. -- LGagnon 21:36, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

I am not contesting the given meaning of the song. I am contesting this idea that many "fans" of Nirvana were unaware of what words were in the song. This reads as an opinion that sounds like a fan trying to defend himself against Cobain's charge. CaveatLector 05:55, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

If you have a problem with the wording, then I suggest making a rewrite of it. But do not delete the actual info, because there is some truth to it, which is common knowledge. -- LGagnon 13:44, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

I am contesting the fact that it is common knowledge and that there is some verifiable truth to it. I do not have a problem with the wording, but the sentiment. I will revert to my edits once again, which believe do not cut out anything substantial or undisputed from the article. If you insist on keeping that paragraph in there, then I will mark the page as POV-disputed and hopefully open it up to a wider discussion. -- CaveatLector 23:29, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

I am fine with that. In the meantime, I suggest learning about "Smells Like Nirvana", probably the most well known claim that people had trouble understanding Kurt's vocals.

And if you'd like to present a better version of the paragraph, that'll be fine. -- LGagnon 04:03, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

I agree with LGagnon on this issue. Daniel Olsen 00:52, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Im a huge Nirvana fan and I'll admit kurt at times is rather hard to understand however I am sure that the average Nirvana listener did not try to find deep meaning behind the lyrics. As a songwriter myself I try to understand the meaning and sometimes the lyrics don't make sense to me. However, they all bring across some sort of feeling. I still do agree with the claim though that the (average)nirvana fan did not understand the deeper meaning behidn the lyrics

I think alot of people don't get what Cobain's lyrics are about, and some also have trouble understanding them. I also think that the song is making fun of people who like the way the songs sound and enjoy them without understanding the darker meaning behind some of the lyrics. I think most people get the meaning of this song in particular if they listen to it at all, because this song is pretty strait forward, but most other songs remain a mystery to most people. Of course, if you aren't the type to pay attension to the lyrics to figure them out, you also may not be the type to listen to or absord the lyrics at all.

This may or may not be related to the above discussion, but the article seems to imply that the "In Bloom" lyrics are a criticism of some Nirvana fans which seems very unlikely given the time at which the lyrics where written (quote from the main Nirvana article : "In bloom (...) had been in the band's repertoire for years"): how many fans did Nirvana have before Nevermind was released ? I also fail to see how the fact that they later gained some fans that were also into "arena rock" is relevant, since, again, at the time the song was written I don't think any "arena rock kind of person" might have ever heard of the band. The explanation that sees In bloom as a take on some rock fans in general seems much more plausible to me. I do agree that it is very ironic that they later went on having fans that are exactly like those Cobain made fun of in the In Bloom lyrics :) Mwarf 20:03, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

It's a bit simplistic to limit the discussion to fan's apathy toward the band's lyrics. Nirvana and most of their punk and alternative contemporaries were reacting to the overblown, stylized, more-is-more commercial schlock rock of the 70's and 80's. It was more than just the lyrics that were different and meaningful, and definitely more than the clothes and (anti)fashion. It was a lifestyle and an ethic and a philosophy, a completely different way of viewing art, music and life. The lyrics wasn't the only thing people didn't get. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.41.65.190 (talk) 19:29, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm not native english-speaking. and I do have problems understanding the words and especially the meaning of the lyrics. It is obvious that kurt cobain often changed words in several concerts. For me is in Bloom even more about living in a Bloom and just beside about 'the lucky poor guy'. this theme I see even more in smells like teen spirit... whatever. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.136.82.70 (talk) 21:23, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lyrics

Have to apologise for putting incorrect lyrics in the article. I've been listening to this song for years and honestly thought he was singing "don't know what it means", but now I listen to it more closely it is definitely "knows not...." Obvious really, since these words are on the inner sleeve of the album. MFlet1 (talk) 22:06, 21 April 2008 (UTC)