Talk:In-Flight Safety

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[edit] Citations, mainspace, and new article

All articles that are in mainspace must be presumed to be "finished" at the time they are examined. An article that fails a guideline is judged against the guideline as it is. All editors are encouraged to cite sources for any factual claims in an article, particularly where those claims are in support of a guideline. For an "article-in-progress" it's usually best to write the article in user-space, then move it when it's more mature. - brenneman ^{L} 05:58, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

The band's own website has a concert listings section which inherently covers the national and international tour claims by expressly listing national and international concert dates, but I've taken the extra step of citing the exact page URL for the concert listing itself as a direct citation for the concerts claim even though any normal person would accept the band's webpage being present as an external link as more than sufficient sourcing to cover any claim in the article that's supported by the content of the band's webpage. I'm one of the last hundred or so people on Wikipedia who needs to have article sourcing rules explained to me, just for the record, and I fail to see any standard by which the article failed any sourcing guideline. Not a single solitary word in the article as written when you started snarking on it was anything less than fully covered by a source that was already provided. Bearcat 06:05, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

While the guideline allows use of "Self-published sources in articles about themselves" they have to be "subject to verification by other sources." Since that line was the one that made if appear to pass the guideline for inclusion of bands it needs to be sourced somewhere other than the bands' website. It was prod-worthy before, now it just needs it's sourced improved. If that happens before mainspace entry next time, everyone will be saved some time. I trust this article is in good hands, so I'll take it off my watchlist. - brenneman ^{L} 06:16, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, for what it's worth, I'm not overly inclined to believe that a band would lie about its own concert schedule. It's not a vague claim about "our smash hit single!" that isn't supported by any actual chart data; it's a specific list of "we'll be playing in X location on Y date", where Y is, in some cases, literally only two or three days away, and in every case I've double-checked, backed up by the venues' own websites ([1]). That shouldn't, to me, mean that we have to provide a link to each individual venue's "Coming next week: In-Flight Safety!" preview page in addition to the concert calendar on the band's own site...although I'd obviously look for a chart archive to support a vague claim of "our smash hit single" on an article about a band I'd never heard of. That, to me, is where the issue with self-published sources lies, not so much in second-guessing specific information about their performance schedule just because it's on their own website. Bearcat 06:51, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

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