User:Improv/chuckf conversation 30nov2004

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Below is a conversation on IRC on the wikipedia channel. Chuck F is Visitor-8315C

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> Visitor: So chuck, why don't we take this to mediation or arbitration? Wouldn't it be simpler than these endless reverts?
<Vague_Rant> Although evidence that it was Wik can't be released.
<Comrade_Nick> :(
<Comrade_Nick> rick is kinda mean
<Vague_Rant> Chuck already is in ArbCom, isn't he?
> Visitor: I heard though that you've been banned from editing libertarian-related articles, no?
<Vague_Rant> Rick is gone.
<silsor> rickk is prickly but effective
<Vague_Rant> He's on a wikivacation.
<Comrade_Nick> he'll be back sooner or later 
<Comrade_Nick> i suggest you do the same chuck 
<Arminius> Rickk will most likely be back...unless he decides to get a life
<Visitor-8315C> Actually thanks to me bringing an arbcom case against reithy and him trolling me, i'm banned from editing all
+articles, which pretty much has shown me the use of talk as being ineffective now, becasue people don't have to have a reason
<Arminius> yowza
> Visitor: If you're banned from editing all articles, why are you still editing articles?
<Visitor-8315C> because the articles are wrong
<Arminius> is wal-mart paying you to do this?
<Comrade_Nick> what's was wrong with the articles chuck?
> Visitor: If you're not welcome to edit the articles, STOP EDITING THE ARTICLES. Geez
<Arminius> or at least try to build up a false identity and edit that way
<Arminius> ...actually no
<Comrade_Nick> just take breather chuck
<Visitor-8315C> Mainly the fact that these people refuse to accept the word modern mainstream as being anything but a weseal-word,
+when it's quite impossible to argue against it
<Comrade_Nick> (wik-vaction)
<Comrade_Nick> vacation* 
<Comrade_Nick> brb
* Submarine ignores Visitor-8315C
*** Signoff: Vague_Rant (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
<Visitor-8315C> Submarine - thanks, But they were asking me what my problem was, I wasn't spouting off in the channel
> Visitor: We have a disagreement over the facts, and most people think you're wrong. Instead of abiding the rules of the site, you
+act rude, dodge bans, and stuck your stuff in anyhow
/whois Visitor-8315C
*** Visitor-8315C is ~dasd@r019195.203112.miinet.jp (cds)
*** on channels: #wikipedia 
*** on irc via server irc.freenode.net (http://freenode.net/)
*** Visitor-8315C has been idle 13 seconds, signed on at Tue Nov 30 03:39:22 2004
*** Visitor-8315C : End of /WHOIS list. 
<Arminius> re rant
<Visitor-8315C> Submarine - And why do you have to mention the fact you do it? that's really rude, the only reason to mention the
+fact is to be mean
<Arminius> visitor:considering how easy it is to reverse people at wikipedia...you won't really ever "get your way" through
+circumvnting bans
<Visitor-8315C> Arminius - but when they are really minor things like the fact disambigs are normally at the top not the bottom and
+nobody will listen to you thanks to the fact you have a temp injuction
<Visitor-8315C> it's possible you might get your way eventually on that
> Visitor: Don't edit means DON'T EDIT. 
> Visitor: Until the ban is over, your input is not welcome.
<Arminius> visitor:is it worth risking a longer ban over sucha trivial issue?
<Submarine> Improv, I think it's hopeless.
<Submarine> Don't feed the troll.
<silsor> doesn't sound like a troll to me
> Submarine: It's important to try to keep dialogue open in some form while he's still editwarring
<Arminius> submarine:don't inflame the situation
> Submarine: If you prefer it happen elsewhere, I can understand though.
<silsor> trolls get a kick out of your reaction, visitor is reacting
<silsor> trolls enjoy creating controversy, visitor would rather have his own way in the controversy
<silsor> there's a big difference
> For what it's worth, I don't think Chuck is a troll, I just think he has a strong point of view and he is unwilling to follow
+proper process in the dispute because any other views are an abomination
<Visitor-8315C> why are you reverting wal-mart? check out the talk page, we've come to an agreement that examples of critcism belong
+on another page
> Visitor: You are banned from editing. Any of your edits are to be reverted on sight.
<Visitor-8315C> oh, wow somebody updated the numbers
<silsor> yes
<Visitor-8315C> see, this is why I keep reverting improv - Because I can't discuss any changes with anybody, nobody will listen on
+talk thanks to me having disagreements with reithy, who was obviously a troll
> Visitor: Both you and Reithy are seen as trolls.
<Vague_Rant> Some people need to restart their computers.
* Vague_Rant needs to restart his computer.
> Visitor: You will be unable to discuss your changes with anybody until your ban wears off, and so far, you're just making it more
+and more likely to be a very long ban indeed.
> Visitor: Take a break, wait for it to expire, and then talk before editing, regardless of your notion of right or wrong.
> Visitor: You want to be listened to, you need to be civil. If you're not, you won't be listened to, and your points, no matter how
+good they may be, will be ignored.
<Arminius> improv is right, a little civility goes a long way
> Visitor: Geez, cut it out. You're still doing it.
<Arminius> wow if I can postpone this presentation a day and clean this up, it will be pretty good
<Arminius> improv:you have warned him enough IMO
> Arminius: I guess that's true.
*** Signoff: _sj_z (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))
<Arminius> I think theoretically you were supposed to do something after he/she admitted violating an injunction
> Arminius: I'm not an admin :)
<Arminius> oh
<Arminius> is anyone else here an admin?
> I am an old user, but never was nominated for Admin :)
> Probably some idle people
<gentgeen_> normally
<silsor> yes, but I'm going to bed now
<Arminius> I am sortof out of commission right now
<Arminius> silsor quick block
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<Arminius> oh wait
<silsor> what why where when how who
<Arminius> improv tell ambi the IP <silsor> how are you out of commission?
> 200.226.137.10 and 200.226.137.11
*** ambi is ambi@125.b.002.gee.iprimus.net.au (ambivalenthysteria) *** on channels: #wikipedia
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<ambi> whos IP?
<OldakQuill> Does Rock formation refer to the actual creation of the rock - igneous etc. - or the structure that we see today
+due to weathering
> ambi: More open webproxies Chuck F found