Talk:Impressionist music

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Should this page be part of Impressionism? How closely are the two movements connected? -- Tarquin

They actually aren't linked at all, but the concept of creating an impression. Musical impressionism took place a bit later. The french origins of both is probably the link between the common title. --Sketchee 03:03, Dec 19, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] POV?

While the author's dismissal of Impressionism as a valid tag for music is in keeping with most contemporary scholarship, he's a little cavalier about the idea that Impressionism doesn't exist. More than this, though, that section is written like an off the cuff opinion instead of the product of musical scholarship. Keep the idea, but cite some sources and make the tone WAY more NPOV.

Impressionism means nothing?

Too whom I wonder. mean, you just can't say that Impressionism means nothing, and DEFINITELY not say it without giving any proof for it.. After all, if impressionism does not mean anything, what then does Romaniticism or Classisism mean? They are all terms meant to describe the music. I can say with total confidence that I can recognize the impressionistic "sound", just like I can recognize a Romantic work, or a Baroque work. Articles like this make me loose faith in wikipedia. What if articles on subject that I don't know anything about are written with the same subjectivity? Horrendous. - Rich

I was pretty taken aback by this article too... I'll see if I can fix this some time if no-one else does. In the meantime, don't lose faith; be bold in updating pages :-) Ornette 17:02, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

What author? When was this infromation in the article? Hyacinth 10:38, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Apparently 205.158.76.102, who added the following paragraph (since removed by Depleater):

In music the impressionist title means nothing. Composers like Debussy and Ravel were essentially romantic composers (Ravel maybe neo-classical). People give them the title impressionist because of the art movement that occured. Basically the impressionist title was given to romantic composers who stretched harmony and expanded harmony to make more vivid details in the music.

I'll try and root out something that might clarify this issue. JGF Wilks 07:08, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Impressionism is just a convenient cop-out to describe the music, and the term became so popular that it became the de facto name for the musical genre. Debussy himself rejected the label. I can't speak as strongly for Ravel, but Debussy and Fauré draw their inspiration mostly from the Symbolist movement in literature and art. Many of their works were based on symbolist sources: Afternoon of a Faun (poem), Pelléas et Mélisande (play), and other poems by Paul Verlaine and Charles Baudelaire. If there is direct evidence of their works being based on impressionist painting, it should be added to the article. (I'm considering adding a "Impressionism is a misnomer" subsection)Cnadolski 16:16, 18 June 2007 (UTC)