Talk:Imperative programming

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Imperative programming was a good article, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these are addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

Delisted version: March 19, 2007

Mav, why did you remove the history and title page text? It's required under the GFDL for making a modified version, in this case from Nupedia. You said "see wikipedia:copyrights", but I can't tell to what you refer. Martin 16:10, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)

He's under the delusion that the convoluted interpretation of the GFDL given on wikipedia:copyrights is the only interpretation that can be made. Anthony DiPierro 16:19, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
On Wikipedia the title page is the article itself and the history section and list of authors are combined on the article's history page. So moving the author note from the start of the article to the references section and indicating that the history section you wrote was on this talk page, is above and beyond what is needed. --mav

If so, the point is that just because Wikipedia has a certain interpretation of the GFDL when others use our work, doesn't mean that we're allowed to use the same interpretation of the GFDL when we use the work of others. Now, if the authors of the Nupedia article in question to indicate that they share our interpretation, then that's great. However, if they do not (and they have not yet to date, AFAICT) then we should follow a comparatively strict interpretation to ensure that we are not violating copyright. Martin 16:38, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Maybe this discussion should be continued at village pump? I copy'n'pasted it to the appropriate section there ... -- till we *) 18:41, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
From whence it will probably shortly be moved back to keep the size down. Now I'm not sure where to post my opinion. Ah well, I'll do it at the Pump section for now, but feel free to overwrite this if/when that becomes a pointer in the other direction. - IMSoP 18:49, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
RickK wrote "(delete MyRedDice's odd licensing claims)"

Rick, I'm sorry that you find it odd, but I'm simply reading the GFDL, and creating a page that conforms to its requirements. Perhaps you could explain exactly what in my interpretation of the Text of the GFDL you are questioning? Martin 21:15, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)

I've contacted Stan and asked him for permission to use a short line at the bottom of the article instead. And if anyone tells me that this isn't allowed under the FDL, I will slap them around with a complete printed copy of the emacs user manual.—Eloquence 21:27, Feb 15, 2004 (UTC)
That sounds like a sensible thing to do. There are a few other articles from Nupedia that we should do the same thing with, in due course.
Of course, if Stan consents, there's no reason for us to mention either him, or Nupedia. But that would be up to Stan. Martin 21:40, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 14:35:52 +0000
From: volsung at mailsnare dot net
To: Erik Moeller <moeller at scireview dot de>
Subject: Re: Nupedia article

Quoting Erik Moeller <moeller@scireview.de>:

> are you the author of the original Nupedia article
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperative_programming ?
> 
> Basically our problem is that the FDL requires these ugly "title page"
> and "history" sections in the article which we would like to avoid for
> Wikipedia style reasons. Would you be OK with a short line under the
> article that says
> 
> "Originally based on the article 'Imperative programming' by Stan
> Seibert, from Nupedia, licensed under the GNU Free Documentation
> License' ?

Hi!  Yes, I'm the author of that article.  I would be OK with the modification
you suggest.

---
Stan Seibert
Thanks Stan. :) Martin 19:50, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Moved anonymous comment from the top of the article to talk, Everyking 07:13, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC):

"I'm sure the following makes perfect sense but it does not explain anything meaningful about imperative programming. All I get from this is that an imperative language tells a computer to do something... OK, I'd never have guessed that on my own ;) but it would be even more helpful possibly to compare imperative and declarative side by side so that we can see exactly why one language which tells a computer to do something is different to another language which tells a computer to do something."

[edit] GA reference critiera

i'm concerning that these references do not actually indicate what exactly their referencing, while both seem capable of referencing the entire article, a reader wouldn't know this. It appears to of been added as a GA a very long time ago, and the GA criteria have changed several times, if anyone could, please try to use inline citations for this article or at least hyperlinks or something. Homestarmy 19:10, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

I have delisted this article as a GA, as it clearly fails the criteria →AzaToth 03:53, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of Example Languages section

I couldn't fit my entire rationale in the edit summary field... I removed this section because it's unnecessary: the entire article is about imperative programming, and lists plenty of example languages. The "The canonical examples of imperative programming languages are Fortran and Algol" statement was unsourced. The "Others include..." sentence just offered a place for additional languages to be tacked on (see e.g. the edit that only added "Perl" to the list,) when a link to the procedural programming languages category suffices. WalterGR 23:53, 4 November 2007 (UTC)