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Contents 1 Reversion 2 Roster 2.1 Fair use rationale for Image:IPW.jpg 2.2 Fair use rationale for Image:Ipwmondaysports.PNG

[edit] Reversion

I have reverted an edit by User:198.138.41.107 that deleted a large amount of information from the article. Some of the deletions may be defensible, but at least some seem wrong to me; for example the claim attached to the edit that "rosters and title histories are all unacceptable as decided upon by WP:PW" is not backed up as far as I can see by anything on the page referred to. Many wrestling feds have title histories and rosters listed in Wikipedia; for a smaller fed like IPW it would indeed be unnecessary to have a separate page for these details, but listing this information on the fed's page seems reasonable. On a broader note, it may well be that some of the information on this page is redundant or needs citation; but given the very large amount of material removed in one edit I thought it was simplest to revert the edit so we can consider the material more independently, perhaps by discussion on this talk page. - Conniption 12:19, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

For example, I have deleted the list of 'hosted wrestlers', because I can't see the encyclopediac value of listing every single wrestler who was ever appeared at an IPW show. - Conniption 12:23, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi there. See the edit summaries for the most recent edits. Thanks. ~~ 15:28, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your response. I agree with or am neutral with all your deletions except two - your deletion of the roster and the title histories; you refer to this edit by Jimbo Wales as precedent, but I'm not sure you're drawing an appropriate lesson from that deletion; he was deleting a (very long) list of former employees of a company, while this was (mainly) a list of current employees. There's plenty of precedent for pro wrestling rosters being notable in Wikipedia - indeed, there's a whole category of them, and similarly with title histories. I don't see any reason to split these off into separate pages, either; that wouldn't make the information any more or less encyclopediac if that is your concern with the information, and the page isn't long enough that it needs to be split. As such I will revert these, and only these, deletions.

Second, I agree with the need for citations; NZPWI and the IPW official homepage should be able to back at least some of the info up. I'll try to look into it over the next couple of days if no one else does it before me. - Conniption 16:42, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi. Regarding the rosters, I am just following the precedent, by which I mean - See NWA Shockwave, SHIMMER Women Athletes, Empire Wrestling Federation, Scottish Wrestling Alliance, and many other wrestling pages which have had their rosters removed all within the last month and a half. 198.138.41.80 17:41, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing this to my attention. All the edits you cited seem to be the work of one person (Paulley), so I'm not at all clear whether this is a general policy that one person is doing most of the work of implementing, or merely one person on a deletion spree. I have started a discussion on the WP:PW talk page to clarify this. - Conniption 15:58, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

The consensus at WP:PW seems to be that rosters within a promotion's page is fine. - Conniption 14:47, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Roster

The roster was deleted from the article as 'original research'. I have restored it based on IPW's official website, which does disagree in places with the roster that was previously listed on this page. I believe that the differences are mainly due the official website's roster being a little out of date, rather than this page's version being wrong. However, if you want to correct it note that changes do need to be referenced. Show reports and news articles from NZPWI and IPW's official website are probably the best source of such references. - Conniption 11:05, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

The roster has has been removed again by SkalyMartian, so I'll move the discussion here rather than starting an edit war or anything, as I'm sure we're both trying to act in good faith to improve the page. I'm not 100% clear on why you think the roster shouldn't be included in the page. The edit summary statement Wrestling promotions do not usually list rosters (see WXW, WCW, SMW, etc.) is the only explanation I can see. This is not true, however; see Wrestling Society X roster and List of World Championship Wrestling alumni for the first two of these promotions' (former) rosters. The only difference is that these rosters are on a separate page, but given the shortness of this article and relative obscurity of this promotion I think the roster belongs in this page rather than a separate page; the discussion at WP:PW concurred with this, and it is also in line with articles like Memphis Championship Wrestling. - Conniption 16:17, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

I've done some digging and found the following professional wrestling promotion articles that include roster or alumni sections within the article: PCW, MIW, WWA, WCW, KPW, NZWPW, BCW, BSE, NWA All-Star Wrestling, ECCW, UWA Hardcore Wrestling, CWA, QoC, BJPW, El Dorado Wrestling, HUSTLE, NJPW and many, many more - I only checked a small proportion of Wikipedia's pro wrestling promotion articles. Given that, I'm going to restore the roster to this page if I don't hear a good reason not to in the next couple of days. I see no reason not to restore the title histories that have been deleted by another user also. But I'll wait for the moment in order to give the chance for responses that I said I would. - Conniption 16:20, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi there Conniption. Regarding the roster. while those promotions you named do have rosters, that is probably because they are not as monitored as articles such as WWE, TNA, XPW, CZW, Ring of Honor, etc. With the exception of NJPW, BJPW, WWA, and HUSTLE, none of those promotions could be considered really high profile, meaning that if htey do have rosters, thats probably because WP:PW haven't ogtten a chance to look them over and review whether they meet Wikipedia's guidelines. I support the removal of hte title histories as well given that very few if any wrestling articles have title histories right within the article.

Well, of course they're the more minor promotions - the major promotions have longer articles, so roster information and the like are forked off into separate articles. This has happened with all but one of the promotions you mentioned above - see the roster articles for WWE, TNA, CZW and RoH. As far as WP:PW goes, I've raised this issue there and the discussion came down strongly on the side of rosters being included within promotion articles if it doesn't make them overlong. Given that you are yet to give a reason why the roster information should not be included in the article, bar an appeal to convention that I've shown to be false, and vague reference to Wikipedia's guidelines (which guidelines in particular?), I am going to re-add the roster information. On the other hand you may be right about title histories; I will have more of a look at that. - Conniption 11:20, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Ricky DeVinal is an anouncer now not a wrestler

Thanks for that, I had changed it, but somehow a user has re-edited my posts, I don't know why but I'll revert it back to before. - DaTruGunJack 19:53, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

I would like to know if someone has deleted the info on IPW? I noticed yesterday that most of IPW's history had been deleted due to the content not being verified, like to know who so I can keep track thanks...

DaTruGunJack 19:53, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Merger I have made a contribution from information posted on both NZPWI IPW websites, I believe that it is very relevent to the history of IPW.

--Primal 06:44, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:IPW.jpg

Image:IPW.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.

BetacommandBot 18:27, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Ipwmondaysports.PNG

Image:Ipwmondaysports.PNG is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.

BetacommandBot 18:28, 13 September 2007 (UTC)