User talk:Imoeng/Archive1

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Welcome!

Hello, Imoeng, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

• The five pillars of Wikipedia
• How to edit a page
• Help pages
• Tutorial
• How to write a great article
• Manual of Style

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome! -- Lost 11:47, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

I have answered your question at WP:HD. Please see it. In case you are looking for other help, please let me know -- Lost 11:57, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

(from my talk page) Hey thanks for replying.. So I just have to wait until the next search update?? THanks again.. Imoeng 12:08, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, thats right. It takes a few days to update the search database - Lost 12:12, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Your helpme request

Don't worry about it, honest, but just for future reference, please use {{helpme}} on your talk page (not user page). I couldn't find a question; how can we be of service to you? Luna Santin 11:58, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Subheadings in AfD

Please don't post in AfD discussions with subheadings as this mucks up the rest of the listing. BigHaz 08:02, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

That's OK. It's not the easiest system to get used to, I'll grant you that. BigHaz 10:14, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox

Ah. I think I found a better page to help here. I've never created an infobox but its my understanding that it would go something like this:

{{Infobox Guitar Specification
|Name = 
|Img = (you'd have to upload an image)
|Img_capt = (this would be the caption below the image)
|Background = 
|Who uses it = 
|Type = (type of guitar)
}}

Which by itself looks like this Template:Infobox Guitar Specification

And you can add more just by adding a "|" a specific name, and so on until you have what you want. There should be more instructions on the page, for a more detailed infobox. SynergeticMaggot 06:41, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Wikiproject Guitarists and Infobox

Hey there! Thanks for the messages. Glad you like the project. In response to your questions about starting your own project and making your own Infobox: First, I would recommend reviewing the page WP:PJ. It outlines the reasons you might start a WikiProject, and how to go about doing so. On the infobox, I don't really know of any good resources for figuring it out - I just looked at other ones that I liked, and tried to emulate the design. So, I would advise finding an infobox that has a design you like, then looking at the code by clicking the Edit tab. You can copy the code into your own test page and experiment with it from there. Hope this helps! --Aguerriero (talk) 17:14, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

No problem using the Guitarist Infobox to base your design. Neither that or anything else here is "mine" - we are all collaborating to make the best project possible! --Aguerriero (talk) 03:19, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding your request for feedback

I've looked over your articles and they all have one thing in common. Many editors (such as myself) wish that any articles on Wikipedia include citations. This shows that an article was not written using OR (WP:NOR), and that the article in question is verifiable. You may want to look over WP:NN, WP:BIO, and WP:MUSIC as I know you wouldnt like someone coming up and proposing the article you work on for articles for deletion (its happened to me before and boy was I mad!, but I had to learn). And since you do enjoy music related articles, you could always look into joining WikiProject Music. I hope things work out for you. SynergeticMaggot 10:17, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi Imoeng, I went through Dewa Budjana pretty carefully and tidied up a few things. I wouldn't call myself an expert here, by any means, but you might find it useful to look at the "diff" between my version and your version here. Here's some more specific feedback, starting with the easiest ;-)

1. The titles for sections and subsections should use equals signs, as you did, but the main sections should have two equals signs on either side, subsections three, subsubsection fours and so on. In your original verison, you had "=Early Life=" which made the section heading as big as the article title.
2. As SynergeticMaggot mentioned above, citations are very important on Wikipedia and becoming more important all the time. This is especially true when writing about real people like Dewa Budjana; for example, if he didn't really steal from his grandfather, he wouldn't be too happy to find Wikipedia accusing him of it! That's why I put ^{[citation needed} in a few places—ideally someone can find a reliable source that confirms any controversial facts in the article and Wikipedia will 1) be more reliable itself and 2) avoid getting sued!!
3. Another important guideline on Wikipedia is avoiding bias. Obviously, you like Dewa Budjana's music very much (or you wouldn't spend your time writing about him!) but I shouldn't be able to figure out that you like him just by reading the article. The article should only have facts, not opinions: for example, you should avoid saying "This movie was very good", but instead say "The movie received very good reviews," or "The movie sold more tickets than any other that year".

Those are the major things I spotted. You asked about your English as well, and though it's not perfect, it is easily good enough to write articles. What's more important than perfect English (or style, bias, or even citations!) is simply adding to the Encyclopedia. The major strength of Wikipedia is that it's continually improving, but no one would be able to improve on any of your articles if you hadn't taken the time to write them first!

I hope this helps! If you've any questions about this (or anything else), please feel free to ask on my talk page :) --jwanders^Talk 11:19, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article Feedback

Thanks again for your feedback, I really appreciate that. When I read SygnergeticMaggot, I reckon the main issue here is the source of information. However, since I researched the information on Indonesian websites (excluding Dewa Budjana's website), you and zillions other people probably wouldn't understand that, which is a huge problem. So, basically I've put the sources, although those are on the external links part (I'll move it to source part). Do you have any suggestion on this? Thank you - Imoeng 11:31, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

The Wikipedia policy page talks about that here. Basically, it's not actually a problem. Obviously, if you could choose between English and non-english sources, you'd choose English; but for this article, there will always be more and better non-english sources. Use them and reference them normally, so that at least other users that speak the language will be able to verify not only the article, but also the translation from the source. --jwanders^Talk 11:42, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Could you check it? I've made the references (its pretty hard to learn though) Imoeng 12:12, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, that looks perfect. The citation/references bit is one of the hardest things to get use to around here; I only started to really make sense of it yesterday, and I've been editing off and on for years! The amount you've learnt and done in three days is truly impressive. --jwanders^Talk 15:10, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:PAmainpa.JPG listed for deletion

[edit] Esperanza

You now meet the membership requirements at Esperanza, please feel free to join if you are still interested, we'd be glad to welcome you :). NoSeptember 13:08, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Exceptional Newcomer

Just five days here and you are already a regular at WP:HD. Great going. Here's a little something for you.

Moved to "People around me" page

[edit] Wikibreak

Have a fun time working on your project, if that's possible! I hope it goes well, see you back here when you finish (or even before, the pull of that "Sign in/create account" button is rather strong even when you're just researching here). :) -- Natalya 03:51, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your Ibanez JEM images

Hey -- I think you should consider requesting that a couple of those images be deleted. We can only use those images under "fair use," and part of the fair use reasoning includes two things that aren't met here: (1) we shouldn't use fair use images when it's reasonable to create free images. (Surely, it can't be that hard to get a picture of these guitars?) (2) when images are used as "fair use" it should be both a limited number of them, and each one should have a specific rationale. Fair use images should not be used to merely decorate an article, as I think is being done on the Ibanez JEM article with all those fair use photos. Mangojuice^talk 04:23, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your birthday message

[edit] Sorry

Hi Imoeng, sorry for the delayed reply to your message on my talk page. I am not online very often these days so I missed the message. I saw that you have already put up the article for peer review. Thats the right way to receive feedback on the article. I would love to help but 1. my knowledge on guitars is very poor and 2. as I said, I am not online often these days. Do leave me a message if you think I can be helpful somewhere. And NO, I will not be taking back the award as long as as I know that your heart is in the right place:) -- Lost^(talk) 07:16, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] An award well earned

Moved to "People around me" page

G3 in Austrlia...good show! I am off to NZ in a couple of days for 2 weeks worth of board(bored!) meetings. I have a busy intinerary but would like to sneak out and see some local talent while I am there. Whenever I travel I never have any luck synching with any big name concert tours. I am going to be in Australia later on this year. I doubt anything as interesting as G3 will be there during my stay. Take care! Anger22 14:30, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fix the Eric Johnson "infobox"

Dude, fix the picture on the Eric Johnson "infobox." Better yet, get rid of the "infobox."--Kwan-Trill 18:34, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] PR Infobox

Please take a look at Wikipedia_talk:Peer_review#Steps_box (I split it out as it was more than an answer to your query). Cheers - Yomangani 19:50, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks!

Imoeng, thank you for the birthday wish! And here's a smile right back at ya:

Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile to others by adding {{subst:smile}}, {{subst:smile2}} or {{subst:smile3}} to their talk page with a friendly message. Happy editing!

--Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 03:07, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Userboxes

From the help page - as it's getting long there and noone else seems to be commenting. Just to make sure you quite get what I was saying (as I went round the houses a bit). OYu don't have a template made for every userbox. Templates are for general things that can be added using the simple {{a template}} syntax. However you can use that code to include any page, so you can create a page in your userspace called User:Imoeng/userbox and then include it on the page as if it was a template by using {{User:Imoeng/userbox}}, note how that specifies that the usernamespace has to be used - not the Template namespace! Any more help you need let me know --Errant Tmorton166^(Talk)(Review me) 11:18, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Hehe no problems :D It may seem simple once you know but if you dont, well... :-) catch u around --Errant Tmorton166^(Talk)(Review me) 11:24, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah of course, you can create as many sub pages to your userpage as you like! I have 20+ and some users have 100 or so!!! Go for it. What userboxes are you creating btw (out of interest :D) --Errant Tmorton166^(Talk)(Review me) 11:44, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey, I was about to leave a comment on Tmorton's page and noticed your issues with fair use images on templates. I had a similar problem myself a while back so thought I'd offer some advice. I was tweaking the King's College London userbox (Template:User KCL) and my attempts to add the King's College logo were, rightly, slapped down pretty quickly. I got around it by using the same font to create a logo just using the initials of the college (Image:Kclsmall.png), so it's similar enough to be recognisably linked to the university but different enough not to infringe any coprights. If you can find the font used for the lettering of Dream Theater's name you could do something similar, using DT in that font for the image. Alternatively, since the band's logo is based on Mary Queen of Scots' mark you could just use an image of that mark for the logo (I'm 99% sure, though not absolutely 100%, that her mark would be public domain). Anyway, hope that helps.--Daduzi ^talk 12:23, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and I forgot to mention this first time round, but I noriced you had a black background, which makes the blue link hard to read. This can be worked around by using span tags and CSS styles, so instead of [[Dream Theater]] as the tag you can use [[Dream Theater|<span style="color: (whatever);">Dream Theater]]</span>. [[Dream Theater|<span style="color: green;">Dream Theater]]</span> for example would give you Dream Theater. --Daduzi ^talk 20:54, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks...

...for the userbox offer Imoeng!! I would love WikiProject:India first:)... Thanks a lot.. I am not likely to be online for the next two weeks or so. So accept my thanks in advance. Cheers -- Lost^(talk) 14:22, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Um.. well, you could probably use the colors displayed in the National Flag of India. Dont worry about all the departments. In any case, this being a wiki, your initial effort is likely to undergo many revisions before it comes to its final form :). I know that wont bother you though. So thanks once again for the effort. -- Lost^(talk) 10:15, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Because you are so very exceptional

(Moved to People Around Me) Imoeng 09:54, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

You are most welcome! -- Natalya 12:03, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] First edit day

Thanks so much! =) I'd completely forgotten. --Fang Aili ^talk 20:34, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Actually yes, it's only 3:40pm on August 8th here. You're way ahead of me! :) --Fang Aili ^talk 20:42, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for the birthday wishes!

EVOCATIVEINTRIGUE TALKTOME | EMAILME 20:47, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks!

For the nice first edit day message. --Dakota 03:18, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Happy birthday to me!

Thanks for the thoughtful birthday wishes. :) – 13:03, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you!

Thank you for the birthday wishes! I had a great day, made all the better by your kind message! EVOCATIVEINTRIGUE TALKTOME | EMAILME 16:10, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Haha, see I already posted a similar message! Oh well. EVOCATIVEINTRIGUE TALKTOME | EMAILME 16:10, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Family Guy

Awesome selection of TV shows on your userpage, Family Guy is freakin sweet, happy belated birthday by the way

Hey there, mr/mrs. family guy lover. Yeah, it is freakin sweet. Oh btw, its not my birthday, where did you get that info from? The press? :P Imoeng 21:07, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Need Feedback

I'd be glad to look at it, Imoeng. I'm looking at it now, though, and it all looks good - what was the problem you'd found? -- Natalya 21:00, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

I think it looks lovely - I'm actually really impressed that you just started it up! I can tell you've done a lot of work on it - but you should get some sleep! -- Natalya 21:07, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Relax a bit, I'm sure no one will mind. It looks like you fixed it, and everyone edits the wrong thing by mistake now and then. -- Natalya 01:35, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Indonesia Portal - Thanks!

Well done for getting this started - it's long overdue! Looks great already - good work. --Bwmodular 21:41, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Hello! Thank you for participating in my RfA! Unfortunately, it ended with a final result of (32/31/5) which no consensus was achieved. Nevertheless, I'd like to thank you again for your support and to keep an eye out for me within the next 3 months. Also, please so kind ans to drop by my suggestions page for my next RfA :) SynergeticMaggot 21:41, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Indonesia

Hi Imoeng! I'm glad to hear that Portal:Indonesia has been set up. Nice to meet an Indonesian Wikipedian from Melbourne, too :-). I'm afraid at the moment I wouldn't be of much help if an Indonesian WikiProject is set up. I'm currently busy enough with school work as well as helping to maintain the Indonesian Wikipedia that I've hardly done anything here at :en except for doing some interwiki linking only. I remember signing up as a participant in the Indonesia-related notice board but haven't even found the time to contribute there! However if you need to ask for a particular help you could always drop me a message here (or maybe in :id). Hayabusa future 11:24, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi Imoeng, thanks for creating the Indonesia Portal, it looks great. I'll support you in setting up the project, for sure. I think there's not so many of us with an interest in Indonesia here on Wikipedia, so it's great that you're making such a big contribution. Sadly, I have to work and can't spend my whole time on Wikipedia, but when I do I translate articles from the Indonesian Wikipedia (there's a long list on the Indonesia-related notice board!), and recently I've been spending a lot of time categorising uncategorised articles. If you want me to help out on anything in particular, let me know. Keep up the good work, --Sepa 20:58, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My First Edit Day Thanks!

Hi Imoeng, and thank you very much for your 1st edit day wishes, and sorry it's taken me so long to get back to you (computer troubles). It's always great to hear from wikipedian's, and especially from those whom seem like such good ones ;) Seriously though, if there's anything I can help you with, please, don't hesitate to ask.

Thank you once again for your wonderful comments, Imoeng! Yours, Thε Halo ^Θ 18:05, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks!

Thanks for the birthday wishes! :) --Coredesat talk. ^_^ 09:15, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your Birthday Wishes

Thanks for you wonderful birthday wishes! :) -- Underneath-it-All 01:21, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] thanks for the welcome!

apa kabar? thanks for the welcome and invited me to the indonesian portal. will try to help as much as i can. HoneyBee 06:55, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you (sorry this is late)

Just a big thank you for the birthday wishes and sorry its late but I have been away .    LONDON UK    • 12:39, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Current events in Southeast Asia

Thanks for your contributions to Current events in Southeast Asia. The present-tense writing style takes a bit of getting used to, but it looks like you have the hang of it now. When starting a new day, I usually just hit edit on the previous day, copy that line of coding from the bottom of the section and change the day to the previous day's date, and then copy the previous day's header and change the date and day accordingly. Hope this helps. It's good to have regularly contributed Indonesian items. -Wisekwai 09:03, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for the Edit day wish!

Thanks a million! Æon ^{Insane Ward} 15:50, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] August Esperanza Newsletter

[edit]  :)

Thank you for the birthday wishes, it brought a smile to my face :) American Patriot 1776 01:06, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

From me too: Thanks for your note! --JoanneB 09:58, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] SatuSuro

Yeah thanks - everythings on hold, I started some arts, very disapointed by some arts in the indo area. will try to get up and running nanti...tetapi thanks for the encouragement. please understand I am orang australie asli, ahli imogiri (!), belum apa apa tentang tempat yang lain di daerah gempa bumi jawah tengah selatan (oops grammar!) but convinced no one understands DIY without having been in gunung kidul and bantul.. enough for the moment. sampai bertemu. SatuSuro 06:08, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Maaf kurang jelas - I have edited and started materials so far up to now. I am 'on hold' -I have to wait till later for any indonesian based edits or 'joining up' - long explanation needed, later on - nanti. Harus kembali nanti :) SatuSuro 08:37, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Sekali lagi - maaf, saya sudah di dalam Indonesia wiki dengan nama yang lain, tetapi bahasa saya sudah lupah terlalu banyak untuk make a good contribution to indonesia wiki, harus dapat "a little help from my friends". SatuSuro 08:41, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

OK I have signed up, but will be slow to get involved for a while SatuSuro 10:47, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

PLEASE no more 'apa kabar', or I'll have to tell you a sad story about the use of that expression. Mungkin "bagaimana pak?" would be more appropriate, or nuwun  :) SatuSuro 11:27, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Some cake for you!

Hi Imoeng, thanks for the birthday greetings! Please have some of my real life brithday cake (which doesn't exist anymore *sob*) :P Cheers!! --Srikeit ^{(Talk | Email)} 11:08, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Indonesia Collaboration

Your comment: "Hey there, I just want to ask for your suggestion. As we all know, there are just few "good" Indonesian articles, which means lots of effort is needed to improve them. What do you reckon about this collaboration plan? Please put any suggestion and respond on the WikiProject's talk page. Cheers, take care -- Imoeng 11:58, 16 August 2006 (UTC)"

I am very willing to help. Maybe i need some more direction from you or someone, ha ha!!! When left me the message i was actually going through my indonesian contributuions and making sure that each article was available from the portal with a maximum of two links. And so far, the portal seems to cover everything i checked. Apart from that, i am editing Indonesian-related articles on an ad-hoc (ie, random) basis.

What specifically is the collaboration plan? Is there a link? Where are the suggested tasks? Is there somewhere i can suggest other tasks? Pokonya - i am very keen, but lack direction! (and although research is the key, editing other people's work is always easier - he, he). OK, i will try to do some research - i have many Indonesia-related books.

My interest includes:

• Language
• Architecture (not so much ancient, certainly colonial, traditional - particularly Javanese, resort architecture, and modern Indonesian architects)
• Geography - particularly volcanoes (if you haven't guessed already from my username)
• History - mainly post 1945, although Indonesia during WW2 is also interesting to me
• I am sure there are others i just can't remember.

Merbabu 12:15, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I think I'll make it now, hahahaha. Give me half an hour and you can check. Btw, whereabout in Australia? I'm in Melbourne. Imoeng 12:19, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Make what now? Do you mean info on the collaboration project? Let me know if you want assistance/advice. I live in Sydney. --Merbabu 12:22, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

OK, i will look into the project page and get back to you. But right now, i am creating the Mount Merbabu article - give me 30mins and it should be there. I am looking at the other Indonesian mountain articles for ideas. (yes, merbabu is my username) Merbabu 12:32, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

OK, as i visit Indonesian pages, i will do 3 things:

1. Place the portal tag (where approrpiate): {{portal|Indonesia}}

2. Assess for importance to project - but this is very subjective. I think you will find my ratings a bit lower than yours. ie, not so many high importance

3. Assess for quality. Please confirm: this only says the article is equivalent to, for example, featured article status - i won't actually be nominating it for FA status, right???

Merbabu 13:42, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merbabu is Here!!

The new article on Mount Merbabu I mean - not me. Please check it and let me know what you think - or just edit away! I will be doing some more research but maybe not tonight. Merbabu 12:55, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Portal Tag

Hi again. A few days ago i remember seeing a tag at the bottom of Indonesia articles - ie, "Indonesian Portal". I can't find it now. But i have noticed a new one - "Indonesian Topics" for example towards the bottom of the Indonesia article. Can you explain?? I ask because i wanted to know if i should put the Indonesia Portal sign on any articles on Indonesia. Merbabu 13:12, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

OK, i found it. It's on the Indonesia page. How can we put this on other pages? Should i put this at the bottom of other articles. Say Bugis, Salatiga, or Merbabu??? Merbabu 13:17, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I'm in

All right, I'm in the WP:INA page. I'll try to help what I can do. Anyway, it's good for me to learn writing English in this wikipedia. :-) I'm going to put my name on the members list. — Indon 14:41, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Hey Imoeng thank you for your kind words! At this moment I am a bit busy but of course I shall dedicate myself more into writing and improving articles about Indonesia. BTW I haven't seen on you on the Indonesian Wikipedia, so why hesitate and do join us! Meursault2004 15:38, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Halo Imoeng, terima kasih juga ya... I'm not a fellow indonesian, though ;-) I'm dutch, my wife is indonesian. I too am quite busy... if I can find the time I mostly work on the articles on nl-wikipedia (For quick questions or remarks, drop me a line here). Salam, MartijnL 16:21, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] happy independence day!

happy independence day, indonesia... HoneyBee 03:43, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Sama sama dari Oz  :) SatuSuro 10:48, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Sama sama dari Inggris !  :) --Bwmodular 16:17, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] userbox

No, it's all right. Anyway, thanks for telling me how to put userbox :-). — Indon 08:07, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kroepoek vs Keropok

I think these two articles should be merged. I suspect that Kroepoek is the Dutch spelling. What about Keropok? Is that Malay? I've only ever seen it spelled Kerupuk in Indonesia, but it could be Malay. Propose I merge Kroepoek into Keropok, and also create a Kerupuk page which redirects to Keropok. Does that sound sensible? --Bwmodular 16:28, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Am I Indonesian?

Ahh, sorry, I reckon you're not an Indonesia. But hey, its for everyone! Have you considering joining the project? Sorry to keep bothering you! :D Imoeng 11:41, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Hmmmm.. Am I not an Indonesian? :cheers: Indonesian Wikipedians Jadi.. Bagaimana caranya bergabung dengan Wiki Project Indonesia?

he he, tidak saja orang Indonesia yang bergabung dengan Wiki Project Indonesia, dong!--Sepa 21:45, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RFF

Thanks for the accolade. Don't be shy - everybody notices different things that are good or bad in an article (although you are probably too busy...I seem to see your sig everywhere). Yomangani^talk 09:18, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rotation ST List

Hi Imoeng, I've a suggestion for the ST List. To make the WP:PID portal more dynamics, how about making featured article, selected biography and featured picture updated not on the same day. They are all weekly update, aren't they? So, for example, feature article is updated each monday, biography on each wednesday and featured picture on each friday. That makes the portal more dynamic.

One more thing, to make updating the portal easier, how about creating a bot that will automatically update the portal from the ST List page. So that you don't have to worry on updating the page, but we can focus more on future things. — Indon 09:53, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

I am no bot expert also, but I've seen this thing on Wikitravel. They have the discover box on their main page that is updated automatically by bot daily from another page. What they do is listing future discover things and the bot will pick the first item up everyday. So if somehow — anybody who knows about bot — could create a bot that pick featured article/biography/featured pictures from Portal:Indonesia/ST_List, then it would be easier. We just add new items at the last list. — Indon 10:04, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree. Until now, it's been good at this way.

About the nomination of collaboration of the week. I want to see how things work first. At the moment, I am waiting for the voting process. ;-) — Indon 10:24, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Ditto with the Did you know entries, would be good to have these rotated from a list. Otherwise you'll be spending your whole life just updating the portal manually. --Bwmodular 11:32, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Hey, thanks for the cute butterfly, though I'm not deserved it. — Indon 10:35, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tourism in Indonesia

Yes, I know. In fact, if you see its talk, there you will read my debate (under the username: Urang Bandung) with people over there. Since the article has negative views from foreign travellers, esp. the "senior" wikitravel users, I became reluctant to contribute again there. It supposed to be a travel guide, not a political issue. That's why I moved from Wikitravel to Wikipedia and there is a good Indonesian project anyway here that I can help.

Anyway, we should differentiate Tourism in Indonesia article with Wikipedia guide to Indonesia. We should make our article to be neutral about tourism and their article is — supposed to be — about travel guide to Indonesia.

Oops I've to go to the mosque. See you later. — Indon 11:49, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Portal / WikiProjects

Hmm, I think I made it even worse, sorry. Can you work out how to get the Wikiprojects section out of the box?. My own Sandbox isn't much help, because of all the portal referencing. Still trying to get my head round the portal and its sub-pages.--Bwmodular 13:17, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, I've made it a bit better by removing the width restriction on the box so it fits more neatly inside the main box. Still could be much neater. --Bwmodular 13:21, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

I've taken your improvements and done a bit more. I'm happy again :) --Bwmodular 14:19, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Japanese Occupation

Hey Imoeng, thanks for creating the stub... you're doing great things for the coverage of Indo on Wikipedia, keep it up! --Sepa 21:35, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Am I Indonesian?

Tentu saja, saya bukan orang Indonesia, tetapi saya, seorang buleh, dari Australi tertarik akan Indonesia. Saya akan prekisa hal-hal tersebut dan kalau ada waktu, saya akan menolong. Peacenik 03:06, 19 August 2006 (UTC)