Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion/2008 January 15

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[edit] Image:AOCWorldMap.png

Image:AOCWorldMap.png (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Monotonehell (notify | contribs).

*Image violates WP:NPOV, green and red are colours often used to represent good and bad things respectively. For example on Wikipeda accepted/resolved = green, declined/unresolved = red, the images used in warnings are usually red, etc. The image implies that a lower age of consent is worse. Guest9999 (talk) 18:23, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

New colour scheme deals with the issue. Guest9999 (talk) 13:39, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

• Comment The image certainly does need to be updated and it would do mo harm to change the colours, cannot someone create a new image before we delete this one. Thanks, SqueakBox 18:27, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
  • If what needed to happen were clear, there would be no discussion necessary. Using terms such as "clearly" tends to denegrate any view that opposes the one espoused. I would support editing the current image, but I'm with SqueakBox: there is no reason to delete it. --SSBohio 17:02, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

• Keep. My own impression is that the Roy G. Biv order of the color spectrum was simply applied to age order here. The color black, which has more negative connotations to my perception, is used in places like Saudi Arabia where extra-marital sex with anyone of any age is actually illegal. —Elipongo (Talk contribs) 19:21, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

• • Personally I am more concedrned about it being out of date, eg see Ages of Consent in Central America but that isn't a reason to delete so keep. Thanks, SqueakBox 19:24, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

• Keep, i see no reason to get rid of this image —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.29.46.104 (talk) 05:28, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

• I've changed it to a straight ROYGBV and removed un-used colors. --Carnildo (talk) 08:31, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

• If the data shown here is correct, then there is no reason to remove it, else it should be at most updated. KS —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.161.79.114 (talk) 12:50, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Would you consider applying a tag to your view, such as keep or comment? --SSBohio 17:02, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

• Speedy Snowbally Keep -- Red & green are not inherently biased colors, but rather neutral semeiotic symbols. This image is an application of the spectrum of visible light to the spectrum of age of consent. We should, however, consider reducing the number of separate colors, perhaps by combining ages, so that the image has more contrast and is easier to interpret for people with color blindness and the like. --SSBohio 17:02, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

• Keep Attributing specific qualities to the colors red and green is original research and POV. Those colors and others are used here to specify different statistical data, not say something is good or bad. Image is free, image is correct. Keep it. Nobody of Consequence (talk) 17:28, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

• Comment I hate to rain on people's parade but WP:COLOR says that "important information cannot be conveyed by color alone." I ran into this problem dealing with the tables at Kid Nation. We ended up having to add letters or words inside each colored box to show what color they are. Ospinad (talk) 18:08, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

• Keep. I don't see the argument that color shouldn't be used to convey this type of information. The scale is sensibly organized according to the spectrum, which puts red at one extreme and purple at the other, while green is in the middle. And much of the map is grey or black. If anything makes me question this image it's the complete lack of sources for the information in it. But that can be fixed. Mangojuice^talk 20:32, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

• Comment the colour scheme of the image has been changed since it was originally nominated. Guest9999 (talk) 13:39, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

• Delete. I agree that the image uses the colours to show that younger is bad and older is good. It also needs an update anyway.--121.72.37.228 (talk) 02:49, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Image kept. Nomination withdrawn. No consensus to delete. -Nv8200p talk 16:34, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Image:Ecantorcaricature.jpg

Image:Ecantorcaricature.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Pepso (notify | contribs).

• non-free image, does not add significantly to readers' understanding Calliopejen1 (talk) 17:04, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Keep, does add significantly to readers' understanding and that is explained in the textbox below the image. - Mafia Expert (talk) 18:32, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

• Delete, no critical commentary, commentary in caption only tangentially related to the article. Violates WP:NFCC#8. —Angr ^{If you've written a quality article...} 18:39, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Keep, Demonstrates how Eddie Cantor's huge popularity was a factor in the rise of celebrity endorsements and how it happened outside the conventional channels of newspapers, magazines and billboards, as detailed in the caption: "One of 12 Eddie Cantor caricatures by Frederick J. Garner for a 1933 Brown & Bigelow advertising card set. The Cantor cards were purchased in bulk as a direct-mail item by such businesses as auto body shops, funeral directors, dental laboratories and vegetable wholesale dealers. These businesses then mailed a single Cantor card each month for a year to their selected special customers." A selection of the National Portrait Gallery, it shows how Cantor expressed stylishness and humor, which the drab Cantor photo at top does not. Pepso2 (talk) 20:42, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Your claims about celebrity endorsements contributing to his success are unsourced original research and don't justify the image's inclusion. Calliopejen1 (talk) 13:34, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Keep, Reference has now been added to Eddie Cantor giving the Smithsonian Institution as the source of information about the Brown & Bigelow cards. As the caption notes, it's a reverse cause and effect: celebrity first, then endorsements. Pepso2 (talk) 18:35, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

I struck your keep because you can't !vote twice. Even if the endorsement is sourced, is it so important we need a picture of it? Tons of celebrities do endorsements and we don't put nonfree images on all their biography pages. Calliopejen1 (talk) 18:44, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Image deleted. The copyrighted caricature of the person does not belong in the article (especially the Infobox), when a free photo of the real person (Image:Eddiecantorportrait.jpg) is available on the Commons ("drab" or not). The caption is too meager to explain how "Eddie Cantor's huge popularity was a factor in the rise of celebrity endorsements" The image might be appropriate in a separate section of the article discussing the significance of the Brown & Bigelow advertising set (properly sourced of course) with some context to show how celebrity endorsements were before the Cantor set. -Nv8200p talk 18:32, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Image:Jayzey30.jpg

Image:Jayzey30.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Pepso (notify | contribs).

• image could be replaced with a free photograph of the subject Calliopejen1 (talk) 17:13, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep: Could be replaced, but why? Image shows artist's style of line art and his sense of humor. It establishes the importance of subject in the cartooning community with text showing that he was selected for inclusion in a series of "famous" cartoonists. Such would not be evident in a photo. As a self-portrait, it provides an insight into the subject which a camera image cannot. The picture has additional information in that it shows one of the artist's cartoon characters. Pepso2 (talk) 04:14, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep, per Pepso2. - Mafia Expert (talk) 09:02, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete, no valid reason to use a nonfree image here. —Angr ^{If you've written a quality article...} 06:58, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Reasons given above. Please comment on those reasons. Pepso2 (talk) 13:26, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Image deleted. Image is purely decorative. There is no discussion of the artist's style or sense of humor in the article. There is no discussion in the article about any of the points presented by Pepso2. -Nv8200p talk 16:45, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Image:Queen's_truncheon.JPG

Image:Queen's_truncheon.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Hammersfan (notify | contribs).

• is this on display anywhere? if it is, it is replaceable and should be deleted. Calliopejen1 (talk) 17:18, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
  • This item is not on display - it serves as the equivilent of the colours of the Royal Gurkha Rifles, and is therefore kept as an artifact by the regiment, not for public display - Hammersfan 15/01/08, 22.20 GMT —Preceding comment was added at 22:20, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Image deleted. Replaceable fair use. The Queen's Truncheon is on public display at certain military parades where the Gurkhas are present. This site indicates there was a parade in April 1997 where the Truncheon was seen. -Nv8200p talk 17:35, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

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