Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion/2007 June 22
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[edit] June 22
[edit] Image:ThoraBirch11.jpg
- - uploaded by TheQuandry (notify | contribs).
- Obsolete by Image:Thora Birch (crop).jpg ˉˉanetode╦╩ 00:15, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Disneyandvonbraun.jpg
- - uploaded by Great Scott (notify | contribs).
- High resolution version available on Wikimedia Commons. — Ilse@ 00:16, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:DotandtheKangarooCover.jpg
- - uploaded by The 80s chick (notify | contribs).
- There is already an equivalent in Wikipedia commons. — Annie D 00:26, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:GWBushasHitler.JPG
- Orphaned ˉˉanetode╦╩ 00:33, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
- Deleted; Commons image showing through. – Quadell (talk) (random) 12:56, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:William_Porter.JPG
- orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 00:58, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:The_Life_Of_Will_Porter.JPG
- orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic image of text User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 00:58, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:CoachGMug.jpg
- orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 00:59, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Ryan_and_Winnie.jpg
- orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 01:14, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Cure_for_Boredom.JPG
- Orphaned, Unencyclopedic BigDT 02:51, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Abs.jpg
- - uploaded by Superdan3000 (notify | contribs).
- Orphaned, Unencyclopedic BigDT 03:03, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:HopraA.jpg
- Orphaned, Unencyclopedic BigDT 03:06, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Rfa-fortaustin-a386.jpg
- - uploaded by David Newton (notify | contribs).
- Used only by permission, replaceable (unless I am mistaken, RFA Fort Austin is still in active service). —Remember the dot (talk) 03:30, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Gabs_SharpshooterBTA_.jpg
- - uploaded by Oliverpudney (notify | contribs).
- Orphaned, Unencyclopedic BigDT 03:37, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Uv104_ken1.jpg
- - uploaded by Maestrotaku (notify | contribs).
- No evidence this is PD. Abu badali (talk) 03:41, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Kenlloyd1.jpg
- - uploaded by Maestrotaku (notify | contribs).
- No evidence that all rights had been released Abu badali (talk) 03:41, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:New_niko_bellic.jpg
- - uploaded by Scorpiandogg (notify | contribs).
- Orphaned, Unencyclopedic BigDT 03:42, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Fake+.jpg
- - uploaded by ElectricEye (notify | contribs).
- No reason to believe this was released as GFDL. Abu badali (talk) 03:43, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Darkdogg_gta_iv.jpg
- - uploaded by Scorpiandogg (notify | contribs).
- Orphaned, Unencyclopedic BigDT 03:43, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Obliviondust.jpg
- - uploaded by ElectricEye (notify | contribs).
- No evidence that this was released as GFDL. Abu badali (talk) 03:45, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:07011604.jpg
- Copyvio. Uploader claims authorship but the image has a huge copyright notice from an agency. Abu badali (talk) 03:51, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Kiokiou 19:23, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Normal_season86.jpg
- Unlikely to be self-made. The same uploader has mistakenly claimed ownership in other ocasions Abu badali (talk) 03:52, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Kiokiou 19:24, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Aikagocupid.jpg
- Unnecessary unfree image of a drawing made by a singer. No relevant discussion in the article. Abu badali (talk) 03:56, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:0515071150-00.jpg
- - uploaded by Dawit Mehreteab (notify | contribs).
- Vanity picture not used on any Wikipedia pages. — Rdfox 76 04:22, 22 June 2007 (UTC).
[edit] Image:Picture 018.jpg
- - uploaded by Dawit Mehreteab (notify | contribs).
- Vanity picture not used on any Wikipedia pages. — Rdfox 76 04:26, 22 June 2007 (UTC).
[edit] Image:BCWlarge.jpg
[edit] Image:BSBRS99.jpg
- Unnecessary unfree magazine cover- Abu badali (talk) 04:43, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Niketan_Pic.jpg
[edit] Image:Niutao.jpg
- - uploaded by Belgian man (notify | contribs).
- The image is probably from Google maps and not from NASA and would therefore be copyrighted. On the image one can see written "Google" (or something like this), please see also my talk page and uploader's talk page. — Matt314 05:00, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
- Delete, clearly a copyvio. – Quadell (talk) (random) 19:20, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
- The same copyrighted image is still in the Russian-language wikipedia, will some admin please take care of that (or do the wikipedias not talk to each other? [[1]]
--Ratzer 14:44, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:CameroonAirlinesNewBanner.gif
- Banner logo with slogan doesn't add anything that the simple logo only graphic Image:Cameroonairlines logo.PNG doesn't already provide. — Hawaiian717 06:06, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:LI Ducks license plate.PNG
- Listed as promotional, but it appears to just be taken from the team's website. Doesn't add anything at all to the article it's in. fuzzy510 06:43, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Andrea.JPG
- orphaned image, sole contribution of uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 13:03, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Jordannme.jpg
- orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 13:04, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:PressuRe.jpg
- - uploaded by Pressure0116 (notify | contribs).
- orphaned image, sole contribution of uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 13:06, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:P1010015.jpg
- - uploaded by Northagnick (notify | contribs).
- orphaned image, absent uploader, insufficent information to determine an encyclopedic use User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 13:06, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
- Deleted; Commons image showing. – Quadell (talk) (random) 13:49, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Travellinggnome.net.alps.jpg
- - uploaded by Brugopolis (notify | contribs).
- orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 13:08, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Jerome.sitepic.455.jpg
- - uploaded by Brugopolis (notify | contribs).
- orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 13:08, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Jerome.sitepic.640.JPG
- - uploaded by Brugopolis (notify | contribs).
- orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 13:09, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Jerome.sitepic.420.jpg
- - uploaded by Brugopolis (notify | contribs).
- orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 13:09, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Jerome.sitepic.374.jpg
- - uploaded by Brugopolis (notify | contribs).
- orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 13:09, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Jerome.sitepic.107.jpg
- - uploaded by Brugopolis (notify | contribs).
- orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 13:10, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Jerome.sitepic.355.jpg
- - uploaded by Brugopolis (notify | contribs).
- orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 13:10, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Jerome.asia.31.jpg
- - uploaded by Brugopolis (notify | contribs).
- orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 13:10, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Jerome-L.gif
- - uploaded by Brugopolis (notify | contribs).
- orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 13:11, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Square.petition.animated.1.gif
- - uploaded by Brugopolis (notify | contribs).
- orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 13:11, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:ZimMan.png
- orphaned image, absent uploader, may be non-free screenshot User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 13:12, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:PDmaybe-icon2.JPG
- orphaned image, very low quality User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 13:16, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
- Delete I agree i don't even known why i posted it. -- (Cocoaguy ここがいい contribstalk) 18:25, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Acamonchi.detonadores.jpg
- orphaned image, sole contribution of uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 13:18, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:MPH06LP640.jpg
- - uploaded by Tribalninja (notify | contribs).
- orphaned image, absent uploader, low quality, missing license tag User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 13:19, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Ogame_overview.PNG
- orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic, likely non-free screenshot User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 13:20, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Zulfiqar_Bhutta_Wikipedia_Image.JPG
- - uploaded by Zulfiqar.bhutta (notify | contribs).
- orphaned image, sole contribution of uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 13:22, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:001-plazalorenzoruiz.jpg
- orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic, low quality, watermarked User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 13:23, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Videosift.gif
- orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic, is likely non-free dispite what is included by uploader - granted permission from owner User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 13:25, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Aalogo1.gif
- orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic, likely non-free logo User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 13:25, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Me4.JPG
- - uploaded by Writeethan (notify | contribs).
- orphaned image, sole contribituion of uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 13:27, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Teri H007.png
- - uploaded by Lindell005 (notify | contribs).
- I don't believe this non-free screenshot contributes significantly to any of the articles it's in. (WP:NFCC #8)- – Quadell (talk) (random) 15:05, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Tommy1.png
- - uploaded by Lindell005 (notify | contribs).
- I don't believe this non-free image contributes significantly to any of the articles it's in. (WP:NFCC #8)- – Quadell (talk) (random) 15:26, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Tommy2.png
- - uploaded by Lindell005 (notify | contribs).
- I don't believe this non-free image contributes significantly to any of the articles it's in. (WP:NFCC #8)- – Quadell (talk) (random) 15:26, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Tommy3.png
- - uploaded by Lindell005 (notify | contribs).
- I don't believe this non-free image contributes significantly to any of the articles it's in. (WP:NFCC #8)- – Quadell (talk) (random) 15:26, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Beltranstrike.jpg
- - uploaded by Lindell005 (notify | contribs).
- I don't believe this non-free image contributes significantly to any of the articles it's in. (WP:NFCC #8)- – Quadell (talk) (random) 15:26, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Lidgepujols.jpg
- - uploaded by Lindell005 (notify | contribs).
- I don't believe this non-free image contributes significantly to any of the articles it's in. (WP:NFCC #8)- – Quadell (talk) (random) 15:26, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
- I think it helps becuase it is not only FREE, due to it being a LIVE BROADCAST on TV, it helps explain a big event which happened to many people and effected careers. Lindell005 18:21, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
- If it comes from a TV broadcast, it's almost certainly unfree. See copyright. - Mike Rosoft 18:22, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
- Grow some balls you queers, Pujols owned Lidge. Let it forever be remembered. Boner
- If it comes from a TV broadcast, it's almost certainly unfree. See copyright. - Mike Rosoft 18:22, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
- I think it helps becuase it is not only FREE, due to it being a LIVE BROADCAST on TV, it helps explain a big event which happened to many people and effected careers. Lindell005 18:21, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Rc19403.jpg
- - uploaded by Royalbroil (notify | contribs).
- I orphaned the image because it is potential copyfraud. Part of the deletion Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2007_May_6#Template:Flphoto. I would have speedy deleted as uploader, but several contributors touched the image. — Royalbroil 16:28, 22 June 2007 (UTC).
[edit] Image:ISO_Front.jpg
- Per WP:NONFREE, cover art may not be used for identification without critical commentary, as is the case here. howcheng {chat} 16:33, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
- Please see updated discussion pages at those images pertaining to La Femme Nikita (TV series: previous decision concerning the use of all those DVD covers from the packages of the DVD box sets copyrighted by Warner Bros. needs to be revisited, in view of material posted more recently in the discussion pages and the notices at User talk:Tardis pertaining to the images (cover art, screen captures from copyrighted merchandise). Fair use rationales still under dispute for each of those images (all copyright-protected cover art). See 28 June 2007 and scroll to Article listing as well. Thank you. --NYScholar 21:28, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:HouseDVD.jpg
- Per WP:NONFREE, cover art may not be used for identification without critical commentary, as is the case here. howcheng {chat} 16:36, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
- In addition, Image:House s2dvd.jpg and Image:House season 3 dvd.jpg are also nominated for deletion. howcheng {chat} 16:37, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
- The very act of it being on the wiki pages for House is "critical commentary". That's why i uploaded it, and that's why it needs to stay. I placed a correct fair use description on the image, per WP:FU. dposse 03:47, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Blazedcu0.png
- Multiple reasons. Image is identical to a previously uploaded image (Image:Power-shazam-10-1995.jpg). The previous image is already a low resolution version (300px @ 72ppi) and has a FUR attached. As the article the png file was attached to has been moved to the jpg, the png is effectively orphaned. — J Greb 16:43, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Divine.gif
- - uploaded by [[User talk:#Image:Divine.gif listed for deletion|]] ([[[:Template:Fullurl:User talk:]] notify] | contribs).
- Copyrighted image — Oscarthecat 17:47, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Castle_on_the_Hill.jpg
- - uploaded by Golem88991 (notify | contribs).
- No reason to believe this image is " ineligible for copyright". Abu badali (talk) 17:54, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Sega-rally-psp.jpg
- no longer needed as i uploaded a xbox 360 cover. — Oli3 17:58, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Roy_Dupuis_-_Michael_Promo.jpg
- Not enough source info to verify the claim that this images was released as part of a press kit bor reuse by the media Abu badali (talk) 18:10, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Chusnt.jpg
- Image is a derivative work of a video hosted by youtube. The uploader seem to have acted in good faith, misinterpreting youtube's Terms of Use. By posting videos on youtube, one gives permission to "use, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works of, display and perform" the videos. But this permission is discriminatory (because it extends only to "each user of the YouTube Website") and revocable (as this permission "terminates once you remove or delete" you video). Also, the "derivative works" permission is limited to only the derivative works that can be produced "through the functionality of the Website" (that, as far as I know, doesn't even includes the save-screenshot functionality). Abu badali (talk) 18:25, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
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- I am by no means an expert in this field, but I would suggest that this *is* a licenced use of the image. Derivative works are not expressly limited to derivative works in the making other videos. This is a classic example of a derivative work and I think is completely fair and legal. I agree that the permission is revocable, but this has not occured. I doubt that once a derivative work has been created, you can revoke permission, but that is beside the point. It isn't a misinterpretation, it is a literal and fair one. Rpf 08:26, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
- This images can't be tagged as PD, because PD is irrevocable and nondiscriminatory. And I don't think we could use this as unfree material, as it's replaceable. --Abu badali (talk) 14:40, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
- This needs more eyes. -N 14:47, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
- This images can't be tagged as PD, because PD is irrevocable and nondiscriminatory. And I don't think we could use this as unfree material, as it's replaceable. --Abu badali (talk) 14:40, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
- I am by no means an expert in this field, but I would suggest that this *is* a licenced use of the image. Derivative works are not expressly limited to derivative works in the making other videos. This is a classic example of a derivative work and I think is completely fair and legal. I agree that the permission is revocable, but this has not occured. I doubt that once a derivative work has been created, you can revoke permission, but that is beside the point. It isn't a misinterpretation, it is a literal and fair one. Rpf 08:26, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
Obviously the content is not PD. The question is, is YouTube's license a free license? And the answer is no, it's not compatible with the GFDL and is not free. The relevant details are here at section 5b:
- You also hereby grant each user of the YouTube Website a non-exclusive license to access your User Submissions through the Website, and to use, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works of, display and perform such User Submissions as permitted through the functionality of the Website and under these Terms of Service. The foregoing license granted by you terminates once you remove or delete a User Submission from the YouTube Website.
I'm not certain whether uploading a screencap to Wikipedia is authorized by the permission to "distribute. . . such User Submissions as permitted through the functionality of the Website" or not. But I know that any license that can be terminated at will by the copyright-holder is not compatible with the GFDL. I'm afraid we have to treat YouTube screencaps as non-free images. Bummer. – Quadell (talk) (random) 16:16, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Ok, then what about a seperate template for Youtube screencaps? Do all permissions on wiki images have to be irrevocable or just the PD claimed ones? Rpf 07:23, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
- All permissions have to be irrevocable. If there were a separate tag for YouTube screencaps, it would say that the image can only be used if it conforms to all ten of our non-free content criteria. – Quadell (talk) (random) 13:45, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
- How about this approach: {{Non-free video screenshot}} Rpf 01:58, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
- That would be the correct tag, yes. The problem is, non-free images have to pass our non-free content criteria, and this image would not pass our first criteria. (It is used solely to illustrate the style of martial arts, and that could be illustrated with a free image.) – Quadell (talk) (random) 16:13, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
- Not really. It must be a photo of a recognised expert in the field, which is hard enough to agree on let alone obtain (if backyard bob takes a photo of himself doing the forms, there will be scores of people who either hate the politics bias or think it is incorrect for technical reasons.) This guy is all but the universally accepted expert, and it is unreasonable to assume somebody is going to pay him a visit for his photo. The possibility of a free equivalent does not imply the probability of one. Rpf 13:25, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
- Ok, then what about a seperate template for Youtube screencaps? Do all permissions on wiki images have to be irrevocable or just the PD claimed ones? Rpf 07:23, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:*John_Glines.jpg
- - uploaded by Johnglines (notify | contribs).
- Orphaned, inactive uploader, unencyclopedic The Sunshine Man 18:41, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Weichert.JPG
- Obsoleted by Image:Weichert.svg Pekaje 18:44, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:SLS.jpg
- - uploaded by Bryan Gortikov (notify | contribs).
- Obsoleted by Image:SLS.svg. Pekaje 18:46, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:P1010047 bloodyface2.JPG
- - uploaded by Beemoviesuk (notify | contribs).
- Orphaned, unencyclopedic The Sunshine Man 18:48, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Maxwell diagram.PNG
- - uploaded by Alex Bakharev (notify | contribs).
- Obsoleted by Image:Maxwell diagram.svg. Pekaje 18:49, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:GAD restaurant Cairo Dec2006 Nimrod Kamer.jpg
- Orphaned, unencyclopedic, semi-active uploader The Sunshine Man 18:50, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Kelvin diagram.PNG
- - uploaded by Alex Bakharev (notify | contribs).
- Obsoleted by Image:Kelvin Voigt diagram.svg. Pekaje 18:51, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:D bag10101010111010.jpg
- Inactive uploader, unencyclopedic, orphaned The Sunshine Man 18:51, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Treehggin1101110101.jpg
- Unencyclopedic, page its linked to is its duplicate, inactive uploader The Sunshine Man 18:52, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Joey1101.jpg
- Orphaned, unencyclopedic, WP:NOT#MYSPACE The Sunshine Man 18:53, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:07d7ce4cce6171da1757aaa0ce5e57bb.jpg
- Orphaned, extremely small, unencyclopedic The Sunshine Man 18:54, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:S W A V E banda virtual ing.jpg
- - uploaded by Theswaveband (notify | contribs).
- Orphaned, unencyclopedic, inactive uploader The Sunshine Man 18:58, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:-SDF--Wallpaper(1024x768).jpg
- Orphaned, unencyclopedic, inactive uploader The Sunshine Man 18:58, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
- Deleted. Commons image showing. – Quadell (talk) (random) 18:35, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Warren_Moon_playing_football.jpg
- - uploaded by Daniel_Case (notify | contribs).
- No reason to use this unfree image from a news agency where we have a more informative freely licensed image of the same person. Abu badali (talk) 19:18, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
- I have always contended that pictures of a retired athlete playing their sport are irreplaceable and encyclopedic when used with an infobox summarizing their professional careers. Warren Moon is famous for playing real football, not Madden. He will not be playing football again, plus the Houston Oilers uniform depicted is no longer in use.
Sure you shouldn't have tagged this as "replaceable fair use" first? I'd be happy to write a rationale out. Daniel Case 19:23, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
- The point is not only replaceability (criterion #1). It's that this image doesn't adds much information (criterion #8) and our use may compete with the news agency owing the image (criterion #2). The freely licensed image shows how Warren Moon looks like. But Image:Warren_Moon_playing_football.jpg doesn't add much info, as there isn't nothing significantly visually special in an image of Warren Moon playing football. With the uniform, he just looks like any other athlete.
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- I'll just say it again, even though it doesn't matter at this point: it's how he looks and is remembered by the public. To me a picture of a professional athlete, even a retired one, wearing a polo shirt is about as representative as a picture of a prominent trial lawyer wearing a sweaty T-shirt and cutoff sweats would be. If it were the only free image we could get, of course we'd take it, but we certainly ought to encourage people to strive to get representative pictures. And I think where an athlete has formally retired, you have historic irreplaceability.
- Of course, if we had a free image of him playing, it would be nice to use. But I don't think we need such an image so badly to the point of using unfree material (let alone material from news agencies). --Abu badali (talk) 20:50, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
- Daniel, we don't use unfree images of news agencies just because they're aesthetically better than the currently available free images. Have no doubt that we would use the lawyer-in-a-sweaty-tshirt image if it was the only free image available. --Abu badali (talk) 14:49, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Yeah, but he's not playing anymore and in the image he's wearing a defunct team uniform.
- Addendum: Since you can't see his face due to the helmet and the distance from the camera, I would also point out this image can't be used to identify him, either. Daniel Case
- So, why is it needed? --Abu badali (talk) 20:50, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
- To illustrate the fact that he is notable for playing professional football. (I would say that it also identifies him as a player because he is associated with No. 1 for the Houston Oilers, and now probably always will be) We have many pictures of musicians performing, after all, used in the box to identify them, free and (if they are no longer alive) unfree. We have a picture of the five-man Pink Floyd that is not free because that's about the only picture taken when all five of the people ever in the band were, briefly, in it together.
I certainly understand if it should be lower resolution ... I probably should have done that prior to the upload.
OK, delete this, I don't have a leg to stand on here even though I wish I did ... but as with other such deletions, if I get a picture such as this released by its creator the Flickr image is gone. Why aren't we working harder to secure such releases? And can we represent Pacman Jones with a mugshot (that would be extremely representative :-))?
And suppose I took that Flickr image and
Photoshoppedused Adobe Photoshop to paint another free image of a #1 Houston jersey on him and changed the background to a free image of a sports crowd? That would certainly be permissible. Has someone thought of doing that? Daniel Case 04:08, 23 June 2007 (UTC)- Do you believe that the "fact that he is notable for playing professional football" needs to be illustrated in order to be understood? --Abu badali (talk) 14:49, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
- Certainly it can be made clear from the text. But pictures are worth a thousand words. We could decide we don't need Curt Schilling throwing a baseball in that infobox, even if it's a free image, because it's clear from the text. But that tells you much more quickly who this person is and what they do. Images aren't necessary in any articles, I know (and I got Jacobson v. United States to GA status without any, but then again it's a court case). But, gasoline isn't necessary to make your car move, for that matter but it sure fulfills its intended function much better with it. And to give a real example, there are a whole bunch of fashion articles in need of images, in an inherently visual medium. Read loafers and try to imagine what someone who'd never seen a pair would draw, based on a valiant textual attempt. Or imagine having to remove the Birkin bag image ... and writing a description to replace it.
I bet you if that Warren Moon article was developed to FA level, someone would have found a free image of him actually playing (Or consensus would have accepted a fair-use image, as Sandy Koufax does (and remains an FA)). Cynna Kydd is a well-done article ... but I'd want to see someone make the effort to find a free image, or any image, before supporting it for FA (in fact, that did come up during the nomination). I looked through all our FAs on athletes, and most of them do have pictures of the subject at least in uniform (Some, like Ted Radcliffe, still rely on fair-use images, although he's dead). We use a picture of Alain Prost that, while free, shows even less of his face than the Moon one does. (Why couldn't the one where he's in profile, and in color, from further down used, as a crop? It identifies what he looks like in a context where he became notable much more effectively than the one up top does. How do we know for sure that guy in the helmet is Alain Prost, other than the photographer's say-so?)
Abu, I have given up on arguing to keep the image ... a long time ago, I was told that fair-use images in a retired athlete's infobox were OK as long as they showed the athlete actually playing the sport. I think it was in one about Larry Csonka, but I can't link to it since it got deleted. You know this is about replaceability ... we just wouldn't be having this conversation if the image was free. I just wish we had agreed on some bright-line rules for this sort of thing had been in place before we started getting all militant about it. At the very least, since about five percent of the active editors do 99 percent of the work of creating and finding images, it made what wasn't an easy task to begin with even more difficult, since the rules keep seeming to be made up as we go along, and always more restrictive than you had been led to think. One day this will come back to hurt us.
By all means go with the free picture of Moon in a polo shirt playing Madden; it's certainly more than enough to identify him ... but we should not use that as an excuse to stop looking for a free image, any free image, that can show Warren Moon in his infobox as he is generally remembered by the public. Further than that I have nothing to say. Daniel Case 03:01, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
- I have always contended that pictures of a retired athlete playing their sport are irreplaceable and encyclopedic when used with an infobox summarizing their professional careers. Warren Moon is famous for playing real football, not Madden. He will not be playing football again, plus the Houston Oilers uniform depicted is no longer in use.
- Delete. Fails WP:NFCC items 2 and 8. howcheng {chat} 17:52, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
- Delete. Image is no longer used in any articles, fails WP:NFCC #7. – Ilse@ 01:01, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Image:Rockafelladiamond.jpg
- - uploaded by Blackoutbill (notify | contribs).
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- The entire set of Minnesota state highway markers in PNG format has been superseded with SVG format markers. (In this case, Image:MN-100.svg) I am also nominating the following other images for deletion:
— Elkman (Elkspeak) 20:17, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
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Uploaded by Cartman1997 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log) User has history of uploaded images falsely claimed as GFDL-self. Also nominating:
- Image:1957 150.PNG
- Image:X5 E70.PNG
- Image:1962 Bellel.PNG
- Image:1957 Del Rio.PNG -N 20:58, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
- The Crown Vic, X5, and Bellel images are unencyclopedic anyway, so those should go regardless. --Sable232 14:57, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
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- orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 21:05, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete This image is not in the public domain; Thai law indicates that
- "The followings are not deemed copyright work by virtue of this Act : (1)news of the day and facts having the character of mere information which is not a work in literary, scientific or artistic domain, (2)constitution and legislations, (3)regulations, by-laws, notifications, orders, explanations and official correspondence of the Ministries, Departments or any other government or local units, (4)judicial decisions, orders, decisions and official reports, (5)translation and collection of those in (1) to (4) made by the Ministries, Departments or any other government or local units." [2]
- That is, photographic works of the government of Thailand are not automatically in the public domain. Iamunknown 22:20, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
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