Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion/2007 December 28

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The result of the debate was Image has acceptable fair use rationale, and there is no consensus to delete. Superm401 - Talk 02:07, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Remembranceofthedaleks.jpg

Image:Remembranceofthedaleks.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Khaosworks (notify | contribs).

• copyright violation, Wikipedia:FU#Policy #8 Fasach Nua (talk) 10:53, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. How is it a copyright violation? It's a screenshot, and the fair use rationale is clearly elucidated on the image page for both articles it is linked to. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 10:58, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

It can be replaced with the text "the dalek had rocket propulsion in it's base allowing vertical motion, thus enabling it to ascend stairs" Fasach Nua (talk) 11:46, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Anything can be replaced with text (even misspelled text). That's not a reason. If you want to remove all pictures from Wikipedia, please, just say so. But to try to couch it into some arcane interpretation of fair use doctrine that has no relation to legal reality is just plain silly. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 12:14, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

So we are agreed that this image fails Wikipedia:NFC#Policy_2 #1? Fasach Nua (talk) 12:28, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

• laugh* Hardly. No free picture equivalent is available. By your argument, all non-free pictures are deletable, so there isn't even a need for any policy regarding their use. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 12:40, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

• We do however agree that the information can be "adequately conveyed by text without using a picture at all", as stated in Wikipedia:NFC#Policy_2 #1!
• There are many non-free images that cannot be adequately described in text, such as The Persistence of Memory, but this is not relavent to this discussion, Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions Fasach Nua (talk) 12:47, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

You brought it up (and I don't see what argument I'm supposed to be avoiding by the way). And no, I can describe "The Persistence of Memory" with text if I wanted to. But the impact of the painting, and its point, is certainly lost if you can't actually see it. Which is also one of the points with this screenshot. But we obviously disagree. I'd let other people weigh in on this. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 12:52, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

In raising other images which may also be deleted, you have strayed into WP:OTHERSTUFF, we should discuss the merits of this image, not the validity of WP policy, or other images. I apologise for not making this point more explicitly Fasach Nua (talk) 12:58, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Keep - useful image that shows the dalek in flight - I can't understand why this is up for deletion. StuartDD _{contributions} 11:37, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was

[edit] Image:April24a.jpg

[edit] Image:Tsitser flame.JPG

Image:April24a.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Artaxiad (notify | contribs).

• Image:April24a.jpg has OTRS ticket number 2007011610003471 for permission by the people taking the photo.
• Uploader of the image (User:Artaxiad) is banned indefinitely

Image:Tsitser flame.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Fedayee (notify | contribs).

Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Moldova, Russia, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan. All these countries' laws only allow this limited form of freedom of panorama: images of architectural works, photographic works, or works of fine art (which includes sculptures and statues) that are permanently located in publicly accessible places may be published only for non-commercial purposes and if the depicted copyrighted base work is not the main subject of the image.

Per Bern Convention the copyright law of Armenia is binding in the United States where Wikimedia servers are located. Therefore the derivative works of the memorial itself is licensed non-commercially. They can only be used on Wikipedia with a non-free license. Either the images need to be deleted or relicensed. If they get relicensed their use will be restricted.

-- Cat ^chi? 22:03, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

• Delete - invalid license ViperSnake151 00:01, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
• Strong keep, if the license is invalid, these images could easily have valid fair-use rationale's written as they are clearly important images that help the reader to understand the topic. Do we know who is the named architect(s) of this monument? Have these images, or similar Armenian images been deleted from commons ? If so, a pointer to the discussion there would be handy. John Vandenberg (talk) 02:56, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

  I know not who the architects of the monument is. I do know Armenian law which does not allow commercial use. The article states that the "[...] construction began in 1966 and it was completed in 1968" meaning if the architects died the day after it would not add up to 70 years. These images can be used freely 70 years after the death of the creators (the architects) making the images PD.
  Yes such images have been deleted from commons before and will continue to be deleted. Commons regrettably does not accept fair use. I am more than willing to upload the images deleted in commons to en.wikipedia provided there is a use for them under a fair-use license. Is there such a need?
  You are welcome to relicense the images over here under fair-use and remove its use per our fair-use guidelines such as removing them from userpages and etc.
  -- Cat ^chi? 19:33, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

• Keep Per John Vandenberg.-- Ευπάτωρ ^Talk!! 05:15, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
• Relicense as fair use with proper article-specific rationales and remove from user space. Thatcher 15:41, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
• Delete Image:Tsitser flame.JPG per WP:NFCC#1 (replaceability, there are "eternal flames" in the United States) and WP:NFCC#8 (significance), keep Image:April24a.jpg as fair use. —Remember the dot ^(talk) 17:50, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Images deleted. Evidence was provided that architectural works in Armenia do not fall under freedom of panorama. The image would have to be fair use and would fail WP:NFCC #8. -Nv8200p talk 04:05, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was One has been tagged for moving to Commons; the other is already at Commons. – Quadell ^{(talk) (random)} 21:43, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Lundy24511.png

Image:Lundy24511.png (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Caltrop (notify | contribs).

• Unused, replaced by this better one. RichardΩ612 13:05, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
• Delete mine if you wish. But the new one has 2 serious defects: No grid, no scale Caltrop (talk) 13:16, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
  • I have started a discussion about the images concerned here. Suggest that the IfD be closed until consensus has been reached. ><RichardΩ612 13:41, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
• I prefer the new image on aesthetic grounds, and think that once the new one has a scale added to it this one could be deleted. --MichaelMaggs (talk) 15:31, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
• Send both to commons, they both have value Fasach Nua (talk) 13:52, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was The png was deleted. The svg was not, since that image was not nominated (and exists on Commons anyway). – Quadell ^{(talk) (random)} 21:39, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Image:WikiPakistan1.png

Image:WikiPakistan1.png (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Fast_track (notify | contribs).

• There is Image:WikiPakistan.svg. It's better for this simple. logo OsamaK (talk) 17:20, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

delete both, they are derived works of the copyrighted Image:Wikimedia-logo.svg, I remember this comming up before Fasach Nua (talk) 13:55, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

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