Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion/2007 April 8
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[edit] April 8
[edit] Image:Rick-rubin.jpg
- - uploaded by Dittocross 187 (notify | contribs).
- Image doesn't meet FU on Wikipedia as someone could easily replace it by taking a picture of him and licensing it freely. — IvoShandor 11:00, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Question. But by this logic, wouldn't all the pormotional shots of celeberities also count as improper fair use? Since anyone could go take their picture....? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Spundun (talk • contribs) 01:21, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
- Yes the logic does carry over to that, and yes some Wikipedians regularly nominate such fair use images for deletion. --Iamunknown 01:34, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
- So are all such promotional shots banned by wikipedia? Not even one per article? --Spundun 02:15, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
- It is a bit trickier than a blanket ban and I guess I'm a bit hesitant to tell you what I think, because there is not one right opinion, and my opinion may not necessarily be right. With regards to this image, I question whether it is a promotional image. Many images are not promotional images though editors claim they are. For example, though by layman's terms http://www.fox.com/ and Fox affiliates' website house "promotional material," if you read the terms of service, the material on the website is clearly not promotional material intended for wide distribution as publicity. The Fox.com Terms of use explicitly says:
- "All materials contained in this Site are protected by international trademark and copyright laws and must only be used for personal, non-commercial purposes"
- "The reproduction, duplication, distribution (including by way of email, facsimile or other electronic means), publication, modification, copying or transmission of material from this Site is strictly prohibited unless you have obtained the prior written consent of FOX..."
- "The material covered by this prohibition includes, without limitation, any text, graphics, logos, photographs, audio or video material or stills from audiovisual material available on this Site."
- They apparently don't want any of their material from their website distributed, published, modified, etc, which is in complete opposition to {{promotional}} and {{promophoto}}.
- And in general, I can tell you that (1) fair use image copyright tags are not cure-alls; (2) some people think that no fair use images should be used to identify living people (with exceptions, such as known recluses) as people, but they may be used to identify living actors, for example, in pivotal movie roles (WP:FAIR#Counterexamples #2); and (3) the copyright owner of a fair use image must be known and must be indicated on the image description page (this is sometimes more difficult than it seems; per WP:FUC#10) These are somewhat undisputed.
- My additional thoughts after doing a lot of image maintenance are: (1) the promotional image copyright tag is misused and (2) many fair use rationales are weak and disingenuous (see Image talk:01holly.jpg for an example related to both #1 and #2). If you have any more questions, feel free to ask me on my talk page or ask the folks over at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions where you can get a wider variety of responses. --Iamunknown 02:48, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
- Oh, BTW, there are several images on Flickr that you might be able to get under a free license. Just make sure the images are licensed under an Attribution or an Attribution-ShareAlike license only. I'd really like to help out and can contact Flickr users if you would like. Regards, Iamunknown 02:49, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
- It is a bit trickier than a blanket ban and I guess I'm a bit hesitant to tell you what I think, because there is not one right opinion, and my opinion may not necessarily be right. With regards to this image, I question whether it is a promotional image. Many images are not promotional images though editors claim they are. For example, though by layman's terms http://www.fox.com/ and Fox affiliates' website house "promotional material," if you read the terms of service, the material on the website is clearly not promotional material intended for wide distribution as publicity. The Fox.com Terms of use explicitly says:
- So are all such promotional shots banned by wikipedia? Not even one per article? --Spundun 02:15, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
- Yes the logic does carry over to that, and yes some Wikipedians regularly nominate such fair use images for deletion. --Iamunknown 01:34, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
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- Iamunknown has put it very well. This is an ongoing debate it seems. I for one, emphasize the free in Free Encyclopedia, other users feel differently. But it may, indeed, be that one day the Foundation just puts a blanket ban on Fair Use, who knows. Until then, all we can do is argue about it as it seems there will never be consensus on this issue. That being said, I don't think it is as hard as some make it seem to get people to freely license images, such as on Flickr, as I think many people really appreciate the Wiki, as readers, and do want to help us. It just seems to me that too many editors here assume that no one would ever license a photo freely if it were requested, which, of course, is a bad assumption to make. IvoShandor 10:24, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
- I definitely agree, and perhaps did not emphasize enough, that for living people Flick users are often glad to have their photos used on Wikipedia. I'd seriously love to help you if you need any help finding an image or messaging a Flickr user or uploading the image (as would be best practice) to Commons. Regards, Iamunknown 17:38, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
- Iamunknown has put it very well. This is an ongoing debate it seems. I for one, emphasize the free in Free Encyclopedia, other users feel differently. But it may, indeed, be that one day the Foundation just puts a blanket ban on Fair Use, who knows. Until then, all we can do is argue about it as it seems there will never be consensus on this issue. That being said, I don't think it is as hard as some make it seem to get people to freely license images, such as on Flickr, as I think many people really appreciate the Wiki, as readers, and do want to help us. It just seems to me that too many editors here assume that no one would ever license a photo freely if it were requested, which, of course, is a bad assumption to make. IvoShandor 10:24, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Krista_Rina_Reago.JPG
- Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, a biographical picture BigDT 00:11, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
- Delete --Spundun 22:03, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:The_star.svg
- Orphaned, insufficient context to determine encyclopedic use BigDT 00:14, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
- Delete --Spundun 22:03, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:The_Dragons_(Stunt_Team).JPG
- - uploaded by Martial warrior (notify | contribs).
- Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, a user-constructed logo for an amature movie team BigDT 00:16, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
- Delete -Spundun 22:23, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:P1010429.JPG
- - uploaded by Hercules666 (notify | contribs).
- Orphaned, biographical article disguised as an image BigDT 00:46, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
- Delete -Spundun 22:23, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:P1010242.JPG
- - uploaded by Hercules666 (notify | contribs).
- Orphaned, biographical article disguised as an image BigDT 00:46, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
- Delete -Spundun 22:23, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Photo25.gif
- - uploaded by StealthyRed (notify | contribs).
- Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, used to vandalize Communist party (it depicts several communists having a good time ... ha ha) BigDT 00:48, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
- Delete -Spundun 22:23, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Radio_320.jpg
- - uploaded by Kalamazadkhan (notify | contribs).
- Orphaned, insufficient context to determine encyclopedic use BigDT 00:50, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
- Delete -Spundun 22:23, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:DCFC0010.JPG
- This image is somewhat out of focus, and has no apparent encyclopedic purpose. — John254 01:55, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
- Delete -Spundun 22:23, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Ballcuff12.jpg
- WARNING: EXPLICIT PIC Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, user's only contribution BigDT 02:00, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
- Delete John254 02:04, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
- Delete -Spundun 22:23, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Picture_Jaz_McKay.jpg
- - uploaded by Honeyporter (notify | contribs).
- Orphaned, "picture of Jaz McKay from my personal files" can mean "it was on my hard drive", not "I took the photo" BigDT 02:04, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
- Delete -Spundun 22:23, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Mmmcoconut.jpg
- Orphaned, vanity photo BigDT 02:29, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
- Delete -Spundun 22:23, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Meryandrew.jpg
- Orphaned, vanity photo BigDT 02:30, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
- Delete -Spundun 22:23, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Michelelunati2.jpg
- Orphaned, Unencyclopedic - Doesn't seem to have any use. —Signed, your friendly neighborhood MessedRocker. 03:49, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
- Delete Also consider deleting Image:Michelelunati.jpg -Spundun 22:23, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:DeadlyCatchWiki.jpg
- - uploaded by Meganbushfl (notify | contribs).
- promotional image with advertising text Secretlondon 04:52, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
- Delete -Spundun 22:23, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Backlash.png
- - uploaded by RYANonWIKIPEDIA (notify | contribs).
- Image is Obsolete and unnecessary in WWE Backlash because the images currently on the page already include the event's logo and serve their encyclopedic purpose in the article which makes this image completely redundant. An unnecessary fair use violation in my view. — -- bulletproof 3:16 05:06, 8 April 2007 (UTC).
- Delete -Spundun 22:23, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Jefferson_Utanes_and_His_Son.JPG
- Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, article it was used in was deleted in AFD Coredesat 05:25, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
- Delete -Spundun 22:23, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Armeniangenocide_starved.JPG
- It was very kind of Armeniapedia to give permission to Wikipedia to use this image. We do not, however, accept with permission images (this is not speedy eligible, however, because it was uploaded pre 2005-05-19). Furthermore it is unlikely that Armeniapedia is the owner of the copyright to this image. The image description page at Armeniapedia linked from this image description page gives no further evidence to suggest who is the copyright owner because the page does not exist. So, it is a with-permission image, we do not know who the copyright owner is, what country he or she was in when he or she took this image, and thus we cannot establish the actual copyright status. Iamunknown 06:22, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
- Copyright has expired for this image, I draw your attention to Copyright#How long copyright lasts —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.6.179.208 (talk • contribs) 11:25, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
- I agree here. Pavel Vozenilek 10:42, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
- The source image at Armeniapedia doesn't exist. So there is no source and unless someone can come up with one, we can't use the image. --BigDT 00:19, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
- Delete -Spundun 22:23, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Milliband.GIF
- - uploaded by Matmonkfish (notify | contribs).
- Unencyclopedic - carton drawing of the politician, David Miliband, which serves no useful purpose in identification. — Adambro 12:39, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
- Delete -Spundun 22:23, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Gernika-bombardeo.jpg
- no reason for PD, no suitable file information
- Comment: this picture (and up to some point the Italians bellow) is quite relevant to the article about the bombing. While there's no file info it is extremely unlikely to be under effective copyright by anybody. If it gets deleted WP would get worse, not better. Pavel Vozenilek 21:53, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
- Keep --Spundun 22:23, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Gernika-italianos.jpg
- no reason for PD, no suitable file information
- Keep : Same reason as above, though source info would be nice. --Spundun 22:23, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:PiraTolosa.jpg
- no reason for PD, no suitable file information
Please check the other uploads by this user for copyvios. --80.90.148.83 13:38, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
- Keep : Same reason as above, though source info would be nice. --Spundun 22:23, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:-p-GSUSA.png
- Unencyclopedic - while funny, this image has been altered to have funny mouths, a clever vandalism. Image:-p-GSUSA.png- obsoleted by Girl Scoutslogoonly.jpg — Chris 13:45, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:506598_356x237-1-.jpg
- - uploaded by RSzeliga89 (notify | contribs).
- orpahned image, uploader recently absent, no licensing provided User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 14:43, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
- Delete --Spundun 22:23, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Baywatch.jpg
- no evidence this image was released as promotional material. without verifiable source information, we can't claim our use won't replace the original market role for this image. Abu badali (talk) 14:48, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
- It is fair use screenshot. Pavel Vozenilek 21:56, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
- It's not a screenshot. The characters are facing the camera. --Abu badali (talk) 11:23, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
- Keep --Spundun 22:23, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Jeffrey_Goldblum.jpg
- - uploaded by Bowiefan27 (notify | contribs).
- (Not an orphan) Image is tagged with a free copyright tag, but was scanned from a HS yearbook. Scanning or copying confers no rights to the image - it is still owned by the school or the photographer and thus non-free. BigDT 16:35, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
- Delete --Spundun 22:23, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Gita1.jpg
- Improper Fairuse — Spundun 17:26, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
- The Rationale given by the uploader is the following.
- the photo is only being used for informational purposes.
- Its inclusion in the article adds significantly to the article because it shows the subject of this article (in this case the super-soul) and how the event depicted was very historically significant to the general public. Deepak|वार्ता 18:03, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
- But in my opinion, it doesn't satisfy the following criterias.
- The Image is too High-res
- Its not impossible to aquire free alternatives (which is a condition stated in the Non-free fair use in template.
- While the template claims fair use for the article Bhagvad Gita, the image is also used in 5 other pages. Clearly an image in demand, and free alternatives are theoratically possible (any image more than 60years old will do).
- The copyright notice from the source (also pasted by the uploader on the image page) is the following
- ...if you’re a student or teacher and you want to publish an occasional BBT image on your website in an academic context, be our guest. Just please add our copyright notice:...
- Does wikipedia qualify under those conditions? Clearly commercial use is prohibited.
- Bottomline is, There should be a free alternative available. --Spundun 17:43, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
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- I have re-sized the image for now, and will look-out for a free alternative in terms of a replacement. Regards, Gouranga(UK) 09:54, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
- As a rule of thumb, any fair-use rationale that employs that terribly misleading boilerplate text "very historically significant to the general public" is invalid. Unfortunately that sample text has been around on some help pages for ages and has mislead a lot of users. It almost never works, and it certainly doesn't here. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:37, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:012_11A.jpg
- - uploaded by Riceonmyshirt (notify | contribs).
- orpahned image, sole contribution of user, unencyclopedic personal photo User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 17:48, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:G-dub-no-posse.jpg
- orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 18:07, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Downtown_Atoka,_OK.jpg
[edit] Image:Portland_oregon_skyline_from_boats.jpg
[edit] Image:KristopherMonroe.jpg
- - uploaded by KristopherMonroe (notify | contribs).
[edit] Image:Mindsenses.jpg
- Improper Fairuse, Free images are available— Spundun 18:27, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
- Also see the discussion on Gita1.jpg 7th image above this one --Spundun 18:27, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Bambambambam.jpg
[edit] Image:Tmr.jpg
- - uploaded by TangraMegaRock (notify | contribs).
[edit] Image:Featuresfinal.png
[edit] Image:Greatsatan.png
[edit] Image:Iranlstatueofliberty.png
[edit] Image:Thorium.jpg
- Orphaned, Absent uploader. Fritz S. (Talk) 18:44, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
- Keep: Inserted in the Thorium article. Neil916 (Talk) 00:36, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Allurewhite.jpg
[edit] Image:Bhwii.jpg
- - uploaded by InvaderSora (notify | contribs).
- OR - Fair use image, redundant to Image:29472 jaqr bionicleheroesps2-1-.jpg and of much worse quality. — Crotalus horridus (TALK • CONTRIBS) 19:47, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
- The PS2 one is outdated and crap Toa Mario 21:47, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
- Pure POV, and a consensus not shared by any of the article's other editors. Crotalus horridus (TALK • CONTRIBS) 22:22, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
- Why is that a bad thing? Keep Image:Bhwii.jpg and delete Image:29472 jaqr bionicleheroesps2-1-.jpg. I'd rather have a low quality fair use image than a high quality one. --Iamunknown 21:51, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
- By low-quality I mean really bad, almost illegible. Image:29472 jaqr bionicleheroesps2-1-.jpg is 500x500, which is perfectly reasonable for a Web-resolution image, and much too low to be of any use to bootleggers or counterfeiters. Image:Bhwii.jpg is 100x140, which means either it will be tiny (postage stamp size) or badly pixelated. Toa Mario has violated the 3RR, putting this second image in place 6 times in one day in violation of consensus. Crotalus horridus (TALK • CONTRIBS) 22:21, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
- I examined both images before I commented; I stand by my comment. --Iamunknown 03:53, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
- By low-quality I mean really bad, almost illegible. Image:29472 jaqr bionicleheroesps2-1-.jpg is 500x500, which is perfectly reasonable for a Web-resolution image, and much too low to be of any use to bootleggers or counterfeiters. Image:Bhwii.jpg is 100x140, which means either it will be tiny (postage stamp size) or badly pixelated. Toa Mario has violated the 3RR, putting this second image in place 6 times in one day in violation of consensus. Crotalus horridus (TALK • CONTRIBS) 22:21, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
- Delete. The other is far better. We had this argument with Toa Mario (Known to me as Hunter Nuva or The Irken Keyblade - watch out for usernames made like that ;) ) on a BIONICLE wiki, BS01 Wiki. He is arrogant and won't listen to anyone else's opinions. The old image is far better, and this one too small and pixelated. ElectricTurahk 20:26, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:04ft5.jpg
- - uploaded by Michaelversion1 (notify | contribs).
- Orphaned, unencyclopedic, used to vandalize The Natural Disasters, likely derivative work and thus possible copyvio Iamunknown 20:27, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Fdsfs.jpg
- - uploaded by Astral Projections (notify | contribs).
- Orphaned, image uploaded for a long-deleted article BigDT 22:27, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Wynn_collection.jpg
- - uploaded by Arthurtran (notify | contribs).
- Image gotten off a website, wrong license — Acdx 00:04, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
