Talk:Imamah (Shi'a twelver doctrine)

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[edit] Merge

Shi'a Imam is basicly the same topic, any reason for not merging? --Striver 03:31, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

I say delete and redirect immediately. This is very redundant and POV. Cuñado - Talk 17:11, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Merge. Zaidi 10:03, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

This entire entry is problematic because someone has put the wrong word in Arabic! Please, it's a'imah, not imamah. The concept in English is "imamate."


[edit] Rename

Rename Imamah into Imamah (Shi'a twelver doctrine) so it corresponds to Imamah (Shi'a Ismaili doctrine), then rename Shi'a Imam into Imamah (Shi'a doctrine), change the redirect that Imamah is by then into a redirect to Imamah (disambig):

--Striver 19:30, 21 June 2006 (UTC)


No comments? --Striver 02:09, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Then ill go ahead. --Striver 11:33, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Twelver sources about the Imamah

Here is some twelver sources about the Imamah. I dont know how to fit them in into the article, so i will post them here and hope that somebody will make them fit in.

  • Rejection of Imamah is kufr, just as rejection of Nubuwwah (prophethood) is kufr (1)
  • Imamah is a universal grace (lutf ‘amm) while Nubuwwah (prophethood) is a special grace (lutf khass), because it is possible that a specific period in time can be void of a living Nabi, while the same is not true for the Imam. To reject the universal grace is worse than to reject the special grace (2)
  • Imamah is a divine station, just like Nubuwwah. Just as Allah chooses whomsoever He wants to for Nubuwwah and Risalah ... similarly, for Imamah too, He selects whomsoever He wishes. (3)
  • The Imams possess more knowledge than the Prophets (4)
  • The Imams know about the past, the present and the future (5)
  • The Imams know when they will die, and they die only by their choice (6)


    • 1) Stated by: Abu Ja‘far at-Tusi, called Shaykh at-Ta’ifah (died 460AH)in Talkhis ash-Shafi vol. 4 p. 131 (Dar al-Kutub al-Islamiyyah, Qum, 3rd ed. 1394)
    • 2) Stated by: Ibn Mutahhar al-Hilli (died 726AH) in al-Alfayn p. 3 (al-Maktabah al-Haydariyyah, Najaf, 3rd ed. 1388)
    • 3) Stated by: Allamah Muhammad Husayn Kashif al-Ghita in Asl ash-shia wa-Usuluha p. 58 (Mu’ssasat al-A‘lami, Beirut)
    • 4) Stated by: ‘Allamah Muhammad Baqir al-Majlisi in Bihar al-Anwar vol. 26 pp. 194-200
    • 5) Muhammad Yaqoub Al-Kulayni in Usul Al-Kafi vol. 1:260
    • 6) Muhammad Yaqoub Al-Kulayni in Usul Al-Kafi vol. 1:258
can someone clarify these facts? It seems to me that the Shia Imamah doctrines regard that the Imams are more divine than prophet himself. Shouldn't the muslims regard the prophet especially the prophet Muhammad as the most divine people? Pejuang bahasa 17:43, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Arguments deleted

anon has tried to argue against the shia idea of Imamah in this article. In this article, we should focus on presenting and explaining the Shia doctrine of Imamah, not argue for it nor argue against it. Please refrain from doing this, this is not ShiaChat.com. However, feel free to visit the mentioned site if you like to discuss the Shia doctrine of Imamah. Have a nice day. Hamid-Masri 11:12, 27 January 2007 (UTC)