User talk:Ilmari Karonen

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[edit] Speedy deletion of Template:Ahnentafel-compact2

A tag has been placed on Template:Ahnentafel-compact2 requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section T3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a deprecated or orphaned template. After seven days, if it is still unused and the speedy deletion tag has not been removed, the template will be deleted.

If the template is intended to be substituted, please feel free to remove the speedy deletion tag and please consider putting a note on the template's page indicating that it is substituted so as to avoid any future mistakes (<noinclude>{{transclusionless}}</noinclude>).

Thanks. --MZMcBride (talk) 03:26, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy deletion of Template:Ahnentafel-compact3

A tag has been placed on Template:Ahnentafel-compact3 requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section T3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a deprecated or orphaned template. After seven days, if it is still unused and the speedy deletion tag has not been removed, the template will be deleted.

If the template is intended to be substituted, please feel free to remove the speedy deletion tag and please consider putting a note on the template's page indicating that it is substituted so as to avoid any future mistakes (<noinclude>{{transclusionless}}</noinclude>).

Thanks. --MZMcBride (talk) 03:26, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy deletion of Template:Ahnentafel-compact6

A tag has been placed on Template:Ahnentafel-compact6 requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section T3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a deprecated or orphaned template. After seven days, if it is still unused and the speedy deletion tag has not been removed, the template will be deleted.

If the template is intended to be substituted, please feel free to remove the speedy deletion tag and please consider putting a note on the template's page indicating that it is substituted so as to avoid any future mistakes (<noinclude>{{transclusionless}}</noinclude>).

Thanks. --MZMcBride (talk) 03:26, 3 March 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Sorry

To trouble you but you are the most helpful techy I know... Why is updating the interwiki list a manual process which gets forgotten about? Does Brion have to do this? As far as I can see the list updates every few days but the database updates are very slow/ not even monthly. Shouldn't it all be automatic? See http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Interwiki_map and https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12763 --BozMo talk 11:15, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Geni = Genisock2

I feel that a sig that linked to two separate accounts would give even more room for confusion.Genisock2 (talk) 11:04, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Hmm

"If you should happen to have an open bottle of vinegar in one hand while spilling sodium hydroxide on the other, by all means rinse with the vinegar first."... Risk of scalding burns from this? Especially if the NaOH was very conc?--BozMo talk 22:09, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Hmm indeed... probably not, if I did my math right. Looks like neutralizing concentrated (30M) NaOH with 10% (1.66M) vinegar ought to raise the temperature of the resulting mix by only 21K. Less if the NaOH isn't so concentrated or if you use excess vinegar, but ultimately it's the water-to-acetic acid ratio in the household vinegar that limits the temperature increase to less than about 22.3K. Even a stoichiometric mix of 5M acetic acid + conc. NaOH shouldn't heat up by more than 60K — nasty enough, but no worse than spilling hot coffee (25°C + 60K = 85°C). Especially when compared to the chemical burns from the concentrated NaOH in the first place. Besides, 5M acetic acid isn't something you should be washing your hands with anyway, NaOH or no NaOH. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 08:50, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
Not completely convinced, since neutralising is not a likely immediate outcome. Doesn't the main heating come from the dilution of the NaOH by the water and the acid just gives you an extra unhelpful few dozen degrees? Caustic soda plus water gets to temperatures which will ignite wood. It would have to be a pretty big bottle of vinegar to neutralise a reasonable quantity of conc NaOH. Either way the priority is as much water as you can possibly get in whatever form, I think.--BozMo talk 12:55, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
You mean if the NaOH is in solid form? If you get solid NaOH on your skin, I'd say the first thing to do would be to brush as much as possible of it off with something dry — unless the NaOH is in very fine powder form, most of it won't cling to dry skin. Anyway, the enthalpy of dissolution of solid NaOH is somewhat less than the enthalpy of neutralization (44.45 kJ/mol vs. 55.90 kJ/mol). (There should be some heat released from the dilution of concentrated aqueous NaOH, but I can't find the necessary figures to calculate that on Wikipedia; in any case, it's likely to be rather less than the heat of dissolution from solid form.) Of course, the difference is that it only requires a rather small amount of water (or vinegar) to dissolve a mole of NaOH, so the heat can be concentrated in a smaller total mass; that's exactly why one should use copious water (or other liquid) for washing off caustic chemicals.
Anyway, I've been assuming that we're dealing with such amounts of NaOH as might reasonably end up on one's hands after an accidental spill (and the natural "get it off me!" shaking reaction), which is rather less than even the contents of a typical vinegar bottle. If, on the other hand, you have the misfortune to get a gallon of concentrated NaOH dumped on your head and clothes, you're not going to be trying to rinse it off with vinegar anyway — you're going to be running around in blind panic and screaming your head off, hopefully with sufficient presence of mind to head in the general direction of the nearest shower or pool of water. In any case, I stand by my conclusion that ordinary household vinegar, if applied quickly and in sufficient amounts, should be perfectly safe and effective for washing NaOH off skin — just not particularly more effective than an equivalent amount of plain water. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 12:45, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Ok, you win. I was thinking of a cup of liquid NaOH which was conc enough to be viscous or powder onto wet skin, as might be tipped down a drain to unblock it. But I cannot see that the question is likely to be of much use. My vinegar bottle has this sort of drip nozzle on it so I would die of boredom before burns anyway. Incidentally wouldn't you have to be informed to scream? People who have had glove leaks often don't seem to notice until the damage is considerable? --BozMo talk 12:53, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Could well be, I haven't tried it myself. I've managed to expose my hands briefly to about 2M–5M NaOH, and it indeed just made the skin feel soapy; I didn't wait around to see what leaving it there for longer might've done. Anyway, if you literally did have a bucket of the concentrated stuff dumped on your head, I'd expect you'd probably notice. (BTW, if I remember my lab classes correctly, I don't think pure conc. NaOH(aq) is particularly viscous — it's the other stuff in drain cleaning fluid that makes it like that. I guess the worst-case scenario might be pouring fine powdered solid NaOH over wet skin.) —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 13:10, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Downsize help

Hi,

Of what I can see you have some experience with Wiki templates. I am trying to import the Downside template to the Romanian Wikipedia, but I ran into some problems. First I translated the title, but it gave me an error, so I leaved it with the original title, but the error was still there.

The error is that even though the template page looks fine, there is no effect in the actual pages, where it's being used. I can't figure it out, and i would really appreciate it, if you'd help me.
The Romanian template page is here. At the moment, the template's name is in Romanian. If possible, i'd like it to stay like that. Thanks in advance! diego_pmc (talk) 14:42, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

The {{downsize}} template does nothing on its own — it only adds a marker which is detected by some JavaScript code in MediaWiki:Common.js. However, it looks like the Romanian Wikipedia already has the same code installed (look for the text "ÎNCEPUT repararea titlurilor cu iniţială mică"), so I'm not sure why it doesn't work. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 15:25, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the answer. I can't edit the page anyway, so I'll ask some Romanian admin, to see what's wrong. diego_pmc (talk) 15:55, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 'tyop'

Nyuck nyuck nyuck... HalfShadow (talk) 19:28, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fixing userscripts

  • I noticed your edit in «Scripts/Logs link» and I thought maybe you could make another edit and remove (now duplicate) "user logs" link (as I mentioned here) —AlexSm 20:50, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, I've removed the special case and generally simplified the script. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 21:29, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
  • I guess you didn't notice this message a couple of months ago; enhanced watchlist moved to table design since then, but in any case, I think it would be nice to mention that your watchfilter script is not only obsolete, but simply doesn't work with "Enhanced Recent Changes" option. —AlexSm 20:50, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
And thanks for this note too. I've marked the script as obsolete and no longer maintained, and added an explicit note about the bug to the copy on WP:JS. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 21:29, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Search scripts

The Where Has Your Script Been All These Years Award
It is my honour to present the very prestigious Where Has Your Script Been All These Years Award to Ilmari Karonen and PhilKnight for their work on search scripts leading to the "search links" user script. Thanks, Merzul (talk) 14:31, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: AN

If you really feel keeping Category:Gaelic Athletic Association clubs in County Sligo or Category:Eyptian rabbis or Category:FIPS 10-4 (whatever that is) around is vitally important, I suppose we'll just have to agree to disagree. --MZMcBride (talk) 04:31, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

I certainly don't think keeping such categories around is vitally important. I just don't see what the "great need" to delete them is, either. Sure, I might delete such unused categories myself if I come across them and have nothing better to do, but if not, I don't really see how their continued existence would harm anyone. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 04:45, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Your RBAG

A left you a few questions, Enjoy! --Chris 12:49, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rabbit and hip dysplasia (human)

Thanks so much for your help with that picture. It just didn't look right. I had a peek at your user page and noticed you speak both Finnish and Swedish. If I may bother you with a task of contacting someone at those Wikipedia sites. I'm cooperating on the Hip dysplasia (human) page. It is a condition that occurs with higher frequency in some northern ethnic populations. I was wondering if they have a "Village Pump" or "Science reference desk" where we could ask someone some questions, but of course there's this language barrier to making contact. If I could burden you with asking a couple of questions there I'd be very delighted. What would be most valuable currently would be:

  • Any notable historical local surgeons or doctors, events, discoveries, or treatment procedures with dates, description and reference.
  • Any specific ways of treatment that are different than elsewhere. (with sources)
  • When was the condition first recognized there (as a medical condition). (with sources)
  • Are there any local traditions that would encourage hip dysplasia. (swaddling, cradle board etc.) OR were other risk factors identified locally (referenced)
  • Study/studies of incidence (how often it occurs per X births) in different local ethnic populations (with sources)

The sources can be in the local language, but have to be wikisafe. I hope we can find one or two people who are able and willing to help out. Thanks in advance for your effort. Please feel free to leave questions or comments on the discussion page of Hip dysplasia (human) or on my talk page Lisa4edit. --Lisa4edit (talk) 06:37, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

I'll try looking into this, but it would be easier if I even knew what hip dysplasia was called in Finnish (or Swedish for that matter). I have a hunch that synnynnäinen lonkkaluksaatio (lit. "congenital hip luxation") may be the relevant term, but I'm not sure if it has the exact same scope or means something slightly different. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 23:41, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cato Research AfD

I've dropped a note on the creator's talk page with a link to the relevant guidelines. I think the company might well be sufficiently notable, it's always hard to tell when it's obviously written by their PR department. Regards, Espresso Addict (talk) 02:34, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Nitrogen prices

"I hear the low-grade 78% stuff is really cheap." Damn, you cracked me up with that one. I don't normally praise jokes at the reference desk, but that line really made me laugh. Thanks. -- HiEv 15:06, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] RE ANI Prison IP

Thank you for taking that post seriously Ilmari Karonen. I was a bit surprised at how casual other people seem to have been about it. I've been on WP for nearly 2 years and I've seen a lot more fuss made of less-serious looking edits. Anyway thanks for notifying the server admin - as I said on ANI I don't know how to do this (and the reason I didn't push for somebody else to do so was becuase I was being told that the issue wasn't serious). Thanks again for looking at it--Cailil talk 00:23, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Wally West

Thanks for your help! I had considered the archive solution, but was concerned that doing so might be "bad form". I wanted to make sure that I moved the content in the right way. Based on your advice, I'll go ahead and archive the old talk page. --GentlemanGhost (talk) 21:35, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cannot create a subpage in my userspace

Hi. I've complained that I cannot create subpages in my userspace. Can you help? --Петър Петров (talk) 11:03, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

(Note: The next answer is moved here from my talk page so all the talk stays on one place. --Петър Петров)
Sorry about that, it was indeed my mistake. I've fixed the problematic rules so that they're no longer applied to user pages. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 14:08, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
No problem, I welcome your efforts against vandalism and thank you for what you are doing. Keep up the good work! --Петър Петров (talk) 15:07, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Gyromitra esculenta help

Hi, I noticed you are in Helsinki (I was waiting for someone from Finland to turn up editing this article!). If you have a digital camera i would be extremly grateful for any photos of this mushroom sold in a shop, market or as a tinned product to further illustrate the article. Also if there is any information in Finnish on how to eat it (general recipes). I am trying to work the article up for FAC. All input gratefully appreciated :) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:34, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the great work you've been doing with the article. It's just getting to be about the right time of the year for fresh false morels, so I'm going to keep my eyes open and try to snap a photo. As for preparation, after boiling they can be used much like any other mushrooms. A common preparation method is to gently sautée the mushrooms in butter in a saucepan (perhaps with some onions) and then add flour and finally milk to yield false morels in bechamel sauce, or, if more fluid is added, a false more soup, both of which can be further flavored e.g. with parsley, chives and maybe some black pepper. (For a specific recipe, see e.g. [1].) A false morel omelette can also be quite tasty. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 22:06, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
Cool. I am in Australia so it is a little bit tricky for me to take photos... :) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:57, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
Just as an update, it seems false morel season has started: I just saw some in a store today. I snapped a picture with my cell phone, but of course, being a cell phone and not a real camera, the image quality sucks. Not that the setting was that great either, they were just tucked in a corner of the vegetable shelf. I think I'll go mushroom shopping with my dSLR later this week and see what I'll get. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 23:17, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: WP:AN notice

Hi, do you know if Wikipedia or Commons allow more than 1 featured picture per subject? OhanaUnitedTalk page 23:31, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Frankly, I haven't the faintest idea. The criteria don't seem to say anything about it: the closest WP:FP? comes is to say that featured pictures should be "among the best examples of a given subject that the encyclopedia has to offer". Commons:COM:I says that "normally there should never be two featured pictures that are just different versions of the same image, so if a better version exists the original version should be delisted", but I don't think the two turtle images are quite similar enough for that to necessarily apply.
In this particular case (and this is really more addressed to Mbz1 directly), I'd suggest bringing the issue up at commons:Commons talk:Featured picture candidates; I'm sure the folks there will be more familiar with the process. If you ask me, though, one possibility might be to try a special "nomination to replace", with voters asked to express the preference to either keep the currently feature image, replace it with the ostensibly better one or, possibly, to feature both. Or just let the current nomination run its course; things may sort themselves out on their own now that the issue has been brought to wider attention. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 23:56, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Common.js breakage

That last edit of yours to MediaWiki:Common.js introduced some syntax errors, including a line that read:

for(new importScript, importStylesheet, and family

I've reverted it for now, would you mind taking a second look at it? —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 01:51, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry about that. I must have pressed Ctrl+V by accident just as I was saving the edit. I'm not picking up any script errors now. Are you? —Remember the dot (talk) 02:02, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Seems to be working fine now. Thanks! —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 02:11, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Thank you.--Mbz1 (talk) 15:46, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Edittools error on Safari

I get the following error on Safari 3.1 when I enter the edit window. I don't remember encountering that error yesterday. Yesterday the tools seemed to work:

Value undefined (result of expression token.indexOf) is not object. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Ilmari_Karonen/edittools.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript&nocache=test002 (line 150)

--TheDJ (talk • contribs) 08:40, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! I have a suspicion that it might've been caused by the for-in loop over str.split(' ') iterating over something it shouldn't have, so I changed it to a for(;;) loop. Did that help? —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 08:51, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
Yes, now it works again. Good work. --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 09:55, 23 May 2008 (UTC)


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[edit] Edittools loader code

There doesn't seem to be any objection to adding the loader code to MediaWiki:Common.js/edit.js. The sooner, the better, no? : - ) --MZMcBride (talk) 21:08, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Yup. It's there now. I also fixed a minor bug in MediaWiki:Common.js that caused the edit page script not to be loaded on preview. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 23:11, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Email

Hello. I have sent you an email regarding MediaWiki:Titleblacklist; I didn't want to post on any talk page because of WP:BEANS. Thanks, GlobeGores (talk page | user page) 00:21, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Badtitles

Just quickly, what is the purpose of the badtitles page? Simply south (talk) 23:12, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

As it says at the top, it's a list of existing pages that match the current (at the time the page was last updated) title blacklist, which means ordinary users would not be able to create them if they didn't already exist. The purpose is to see if some of the entries in the blacklist might be matching too many valid titles and thus need to be made more specific. As a side effect, it also lists a lot of genuinely broken titles that may need fixing. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 23:59, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Moving system messages

I see you moved the system messages Uploadtext/en-ownwork, Uploadtext/en-withpermission and Uploadtext/en-nonfree out of the MediaWiki namespace to allow non-admins to edit them. While I see your point and agree that this could well be a good idea, there's one little problem: redirects from system messages don't work. The only reason the customized upload forms didn't break immediately is that (as I understand it) Wikimedia's servers are set to cache these messages rather aggressively, so that any change is likely to take a few days to have any effect.

Fortunately, there does seem to be a workaround in this case. I've edited the messages you moved to replace the redirects with transclusions; this seems to work on my test wiki at least. We'll see in a few days whether it works here too. (Unfortunately, even this won't work with the corresponding license selector pages, since those aren't actually parsed as normal wikitext.) —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 09:07, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Ah, that explains it. I didn't think that redirects would work, but after I moved the pages I checked and it seemed to be working fine, so I left it. Thanks for fixing the pages to use transclusion instead. —Remember the dot (talk) 00:58, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Upload

User:Remember the dot was bold and unprotected the page. I've cleaned it up the best I can. Please let me know if I missed anything, or screwed up anything.

I found your comments at WP:AN helpful. You helped me refocus on the dangers from others' points of view.

Thank you.

The Transhumanist    18:49, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Blacklist

See here -- can you do something about variants of the n-word? Thanks, NawlinWiki (talk) 03:03, 10 June 2008 (UTC)